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Date Posted: 10:10:47 09/26/08 Fri
Author: Michael
Subject: Re: Time Monks
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: Time Monks" on 08:40:54 09/26/08 Fri

My main concerns with all this stuff is:

1. It takes people AWAY from spiritual practice and into fortune telling, astrology, crystals, palm-reading, levitation, etc etc etc and all the fake 'spiritual powers' that people claim to have. This encourages others to try to develop them, and does the ego no good.

2. It encourages a journey outward, when a spiritual journey should be inward.

3. Any fool can make vague claims such as these.

its fine saying 'be open minded' but not if it encourages anti spiritual practice, such as this. Discrimination is required.

As the Buddha said, 'Dont take my word for it, try the teachnigs for yourself and see if it is true'

Let these 'fortune tellers' make a series of specific predictions that can be verified, then I am prepared to be convinced.

I require that they convince me if they want me to believe their claims. There's nothing wrong in that.

There are thousands of people such as these, making claims such as these. Why should i believe in them and not all the others? Why do you?

Bear in mind I have attended a meditation group for about 8 years now, and Ive heard much of this stuff many times. 'Powers' that people have or their 'Guru' has. And Ive seen these often be shown as fakes - but that doesnt seem to teach the gullible anything - they just move on to the next one. In the end, i let them get on with it. I guess they are not ready for proper spiritual practice.

Normally I wouldnt (for the same reasons) reply like this, but Ive just seen a whole load of these folks have one of their 'Gurus' shown to be a fake, beyond doubt - hes admitted it. And still they dont really learn, but carry on with his 'special practice' still talk about other, very similar 'Gurus' who make the same sort of claims, and still think he may still be 'highly spiritually evolved' even though they accept the irrefutable evidence.

>I would have thought you were more open minded than
>this.
>
>How do you know the future doesn't already exist? Even
>scientists like Hawkins and Einstein say that there
>may be worm holes and such that could move one into
>the future
>
>so if the future doesn't exist - how can we go there?
>
>I'll admit that I have no understanding of time - but
>I do know for certain that prophecies can be true and
>that future gazing is possible due to my epiphany
>
>so I would urge a truth seeker like yourself to be a
>little more open minded. You don't have to "believe"
>it nor listen to these guys - probably not much will
>be gained by doing so anyway
>
>But it seems like you're stuck in a paradigm of
>"thinking" and belief, maybe your beliefs in Eastern
>thought? which teaches that there is nothing but the
>present moment?
>
>I agree with that line of thought - but what exactly
>is the "present moment" - you can't capture it nor
>quantify it - perhaps the moment also contains the
>future and past all at once.
>
>That said, I still take what these guys say with a
>grain of salt - but what they say falls right in line
>with the type of stuff I've been expecting. After my
>epiphany I just 'knew' an economic collapse is coming
>- no matter what CNN says
>
>and I suspect that it will lead to a debit system,
>both in europe and the u.s.- a cashless system - which
>will lead to everyone being microchipped, for
>'security' reasons and to buy and sell, which the
>Bible predicts. According to some analysts, the reason
>the u.s. gov't needs to bail out Wall St is because it
>will save the credit system, even though it will
>destroy the dollar
>
>Though it means nothing coming from me - I know for
>sure that seeing the future is not only possible, but
>has happened before and is happening now

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Replies:

Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 10:50:21 09/26/08 Fri
- Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 11:55:20 09/26/08 Fri
  - Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 13:48:10 09/26/08 Fri
    - Re: Time Monks -- Paul, 15:43:28 09/26/08 Fri
      - Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 16:13:31 09/26/08 Fri
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 20:24:22 09/26/08 Fri
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 22:06:45 09/26/08 Fri
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 20:12:30 09/27/08 Sat
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 09:09:08 09/28/08 Sun
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 01:11:59 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Organ Morgan (The Infidel), 05:01:20 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 09:12:14 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Organ Morgan, 11:40:54 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 12:12:37 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- michael, 16:21:02 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 19:11:20 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 01:16:25 09/30/08 Tue
Re: Time Monks -- Roger (preternaturally perceptive), 20:34:56 09/29/08 Mon