Chapter 70: I have to say I was a little flabbergasted by David's abilities. I never pictured him as the James Bond type. He just always seemed very young and naive to me. Obviously not. "Splinter groups" have always been the downfall of Celtic nations; if the various clans, factions, chiefs, etc. could have stopped fighting (and betraying) each other, the English might never have taken Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Everybody was too full of themselves and too stuck on their own agenda to reach an agreement, IMHO. I think David was there to infiltrate the IRA, or at the very least build up a network of men within the IRA who would feed him info or from whom he could glean info without their knowing. -- Cindy's Cottage

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Date Posted: 20:18:00 09/02/09 Wed
Author: Carla
Subject: Chapter 70: I have to say I was a little flabbergasted by David's abilities. I never pictured him as the James Bond type. He just always seemed very young and naive to me. Obviously not. "Splinter groups" have always been the downfall of Celtic nations; if the various clans, factions, chiefs, etc. could have stopped fighting (and betraying) each other, the English might never have taken Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Everybody was too full of themselves and too stuck on their own agenda to reach an agreement, IMHO. I think David was there to infiltrate the IRA, or at the very least build up a network of men within the IRA who would feed him info or from whom he could glean info without their knowing.
In reply to: CindyS 's message, "Chapter 70 � Cara & Chapter 71 - Just Another Day in Paradise" on 12:11:46 09/02/09 Wed

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Chapter 71: I'm not sure what would pull somebody like Gerard to Belfast, perhaps a desire to help? Why do so many people leave their homes and countries to work in war zones and disaster areas? I think in order to do what Pamela and Gerard had to do that day you have to distance yourself, at least while you're there. You save the breakdown or emotional outburst for when you're safely at home and removed from the scene. While I sympathize with why the IRA was formed and the need to fight against oppression, nothing justifies killing innocent people. The British Army in NI were as much terrorists as the IRA, one group was just backed by a powerful government. If they IRA had NOT bombed civilian areas, in both England and NI, I think they would have maintained a lot more support at home and around the world. I understand in some measure the frustrations that caused them to go this route -- at least in England -- but can't condone it. (NT) -- Carla, 20:23:45 09/02/09 Wed

You've summarized my feelings as well, Carla. (NT) --

Elaine, 06:03:36 09/03/09 Thu

I agree with what you've said Carla. I think I'm a pacifist at heart ("can't we all just get along"). OTOH, extremists exist, and perhaps they do have their place, unfortunately. Let me explain my perspective. I've been an environmentalist all my life, But I've never been "radical" about it. I could never see myself taking actions like Greenpeace, Earth First, etc. BUT they do bring the issues to the attention of the masses. Coming back to NI, if it weren't for the actions of the IRA, do you think the world at large would know, or care, about the Irish Troubles? I think people like me, who tend to hang on the sidelines, need something dramatic to catch our attention. Just something I've been thinking about, and curious to hear what you ladies think about this. (NT) --

PeggyB, 07:31:12 09/03/09 Thu

I think the IRA was a very real and necessary organization given the oppression, torture and occupation of Ireland by the English. I have no problem with them taking military-type action against the English Army and those who worked with and for them. My issues arise when they bomb civilian sites, take it upon themselves to be the morality police for Irish Catholics and otherwise go beyond the pale, IMHO. (NT) -- Carla, 09:48:26 09/03/09 Thu
- Sounds like we are in complete agreement. Why am I not surprised *g* (NT) -- PeggyB, 19:05:28 09/03/09 Thu

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