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Date Posted: 15:49:29 04/03/09 Fri
Author: JennyJenkins: I challenge you to read it...
Subject: I see that you must have read a book review...
In reply to: Jeannine 's message, "I would counter-suggest "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark R. Levin" on 08:29:58 04/03/09 Fri

and I'll read your suggestion and then we'll compare notes...

Anyway, it depends who wrote the book review. This book is really good because it gives you an impartial historical overview of how America and American thought was formed. It isn't biased at all.

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[> [> I just bought Levin's book and can't wait to read it! -- Katt, 08:09:53 04/05/09 Sun [1]

JennyJenkins, I did look at the book you suggested but it doesn't appeal to me beacuse I am already very well aware of how America and American thought were formed. I know it was horrendous. I hate that song "This Land is Your Land" and taught my son that this land WASNT made for you and me. We violently stole it from the Indians. It horrified me to learn all the stuff they never taught me in grade school (I took an American History course in college) but don't forget that's exactly how a lot of other countries came to be, as well. We weren't exactly alone in our pillaging and plundering. That doesn't make it good and right it just makes it HOW IT WAS. Slavery was horrendous, too, as was the Holocost. The topic of discussion should not be LOOK AT ALL THE BAD STUFF WE DID. It should be WHAT SHOULD WE DO NOW??? Because whatever our origins were, here we are. This IS our country and the best one on Earth. And THAT is one of my favorite songs. I'd post the lyrics but that would be a little sappy. :P

So that's why I purchased Liberty and Tyranny because I want to look FORWARD.


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[> [> [> from the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters? -- jay bunky jay, 08:49:18 04/05/09 Sun [1]

Katt xoxoxo hon xoxoox

how can you not love Woodie Guthrie? he's part of our american dirt.

i don't know where you come from ;-) but i was fortunate ? if that's the word, to live right smack dab on the Cherokee Trail of Tears.

My father, among his other hobbies, was an archaelogist, and on the weekends the family would go to his construction site and while he was basically working on Sunday, mom and my siblings would have a picnic and walk thru the dirt he'd just bulldozed up and found, a huge lot, of arrowheads, from bird points to bear points and other amazing American Indian artifacts.

I was aware since i was a child of the others that had lived here in my town since before Andrew Jackson got all militant about it.

Cryin shame.

It makes me even sicker when i see that all the Dept of Interior can do is give the Native Americans the right to build casinos. And the Navahos don't believe in gambling.


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[> [> [> [> I grew up in Nazareth, PA founded in 1740 -- Katt, 09:06:02 04/05/09 Sun [1]

Smack dab in the middle of the colonies. Of course we were taught about the Indians but I didn't grasp the atrocity of it all until I was much older.


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[> [> [> [> [> kewl! -- jayjay, 01:35:04 04/12/09 Sun [1]

i would love to share notes/books, i'm a history freak ;-)


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[> [> [> Great post, Katt! and to Jenny and Jayjay -- Jeannine, 10:02:44 04/05/09 Sun [1]

Jenny, I am passing on your "challenge" cause life is too short. I DID waste about 4 minutes of my life watching a you tube interview with the author who continued with his anti-American rant and discussed how unfortunate it was that George Bush appealed to the uneducated and very religious of America..... well, screw him. Isn't there anything bad in Canada he can write about? Besides, I am so uneducated that he prolly uses them big words that don't make no sense to me at all.

Unfortunately, we now have a President who feels it is necessary to apoligize for all of us bad Americans in Europe. Sad. I wonder how all my forebearers would feel about that.... you know, the ones who fought in World War I and II. That arrogance wasn't really frowned upon by Europe in, oh say.... 1942, was it?

My favorite America song is "Proud To Be an American". "And I will proudly stand up, next to you and defend her here today" and I did, and my family did and my family is doing so right now.

But, Jayjay, I gotta admit I love Woody (and Arlo, lol). Woody's songs are very nostalgic Americana for me, and were written to express feelings common during the Great Depression.... Arlo, of course, wrote a really cool song about Atlantis, and went to Alice's restaurant for depression, lol!


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[> [> [> [> LOL ;-))) -- JennyJenkins, 19:53:35 04/05/09 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> My fave Arlo song -- jayjay, 20:51:51 04/05/09 Sun [1]

i don't wanna eat a pickle.

i just wanna drive my motor cycle.

this was years before Bruce Springsteen or whatz hisname that did Proud to be an American?

*and IIIIIIIIIIII don wannnnnna dieeeeee, just wanna drive my motor ciiiiiiiiiii,

kel* ~ arlo guthrie


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[> [> [> I born on the San Carlos Apache Indian Reservation... -- gg, 09:09:12 04/06/09 Mon [1]

in AZ but was raised in the city of angels from about 3 yrs old. It amazed me how interested all my teachers and professors were about my heritage. And, it is true that grade school level history classes don't give all the facts. I was never taught in grade school that the American Indian were the first slaves. How ironic is it that I'm a practicing Catholic, after enslavement of the natives into building the missions of CA. As my mother would always say: God works in mysterious ways.


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