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Date Posted: 11:57:12 01/23/09 Fri
Author: niki
Subject: You missed my point.
In reply to: Jeannine 's message, "I think you all missed my point" on 10:19:48 01/23/09 Fri

I asked why you thought it was mistake, and to please explain acknowloging that not everyone there is guilty and many have not had trials. Appearently you can't?

I am not concerned that "they will be benefiting from the constitution of a country that they have devoted their lives to destroying." Even IF they were trying to destroy this country, I do not want our country torturing them or force feeding them, not because of THEIR rights, but because it is abhorrent to me to have OUR countrymen participate in such behavior.

"The consequences of the Gitmo closure are solely on the shoulders of President Obama. I welcome that."
So do I!

"In my opinion, for the next four years, everything good that happens will be credited to Obama, and anything negative will be blamed on the former administration. "
Certainly not by FoxNews, or Bush's supporters.

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[> [> [> Well, Niki - I thought I answered your question in my post -- Jeannine, 12:42:47 01/23/09 Fri [1]

I even managed not to use any of your "forbidden words". I do not think that enemy combatants should be granted US Constitutional rights. I do not think that civil trials, excluded evidence and high paid lawyers paid for by special interests are something they deserve. I am very well aware that some have not had trials. I think it is highly unlikely that there are innocent people there. I think that military tribunals are the answer. I am aware that is likely that we disagree.

We are both happy that Obama shoulders all responsibility. Ok.

If you don't like Fox news, don't watch it. That seems simple enough. I would suggest that MSNBC might be more to your liking.


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[> [> [> [> "I think it is highly unlikely that there are innocent people there." -- HF, 14:21:48 01/23/09 Fri [1]

I just don't understand this. How and why are you qualified to judge these people? Judge and sentence, no less.

And I think all that Niki was trying to say (pardon me, Niki, if you were not trying to say this) is:
You stated that everything good in the next four years will be credited to Obama, and that everything bad blamed on Bush. This will certainly not be the case if your major news sources are traditionally conservative (e.g., Fox News).

I did not interpret Niki's response to mean that she objected to the existence of such news sources, simply that not *everyone* will credit Obama with the parting of the seas. As I feel like I keep repeating, not everyone who disagrees with someone else is a villain.


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[> [> [> [> [> "not everyone who disagrees with someone else is a villain" -- Jeannine, 16:09:18 01/23/09 Fri [1]

does that include me?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Certainly! -- niki, 17:17:01 01/23/09 Fri [1]

I like to hear your opinions and I try very hard to understand the opposing views on topics. I don't always manage but I do try!

Terry is right, I do not have anything against FoxNews, I was just saying that everyone who thinks Obama is great will probably continue to think so and those who believe Bush is great will probably continue to think so.

I guess I just do not have enough faith in the system to believe that we do not incarcerate innocent people some of the time, both in US prisons and at Gitmo. I think the checks and balances are there for a reason and should not be overridden with an us or them mentality. And I do not think torture benefits US regardless of what it does to them. We will never see this the same, but I am glad to have a little more understanding where you are coming from.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Yes, of course. -- HF, 19:30:16 01/23/09 Fri [1]

I just get tired of all this "Republicans think this," and "Dems think that" rhetoric. For the most part, I don't care what a group of people thinks; I care what individuals think. And I am so alienated by posts (that go either way) that accuse members of any particular party of all sharing common (good/bad/otherwise) beliefs. It's really making me crazy.


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[> [> [> [> Innocents at Gitmo... -- scooter, 07:06:55 01/24/09 Sat [1]

I believe most experts believe there ARE innocent people in Guantanamo, and I think the Bush administration has already released over 500 people (whom I assume were innocent or why were they released). As I said before, this all needs to be sorted out VERY carefully.


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