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Date Posted: 13:29:13 10/20/08 Mon
Author: Jeannine
Subject: Hello to all my friends on the Obama board, LOL!

Just wanted to let you guys know I am around and just fine. All the well wishes are appreciated, as are the MANY emails I received. Wow! We get more traffic here than I thought!

It is looking pretty good for your guy Obama right now, I must say. You may want to hold off on counting any chickens, but you never know.

I am really trying to stay away from confrontation - and we do seem to get confrontational around here. I am so exhausted by all this stress and the election on top of it. The thought of this country going socialist is just so alien to what I believe in. Majority rules, however, so we will see how it goes.

It is sort of nice to be taking a little time off right now and I am lucky to be able to do so. I will be popping in and out.

A note to some that emailed - please don't hesitate to post your opinions. No one here is mean, just opinionated. You may not feel like the smartest political brain in the place, but that doesn't stop the talking heads on tv so jump in.

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[> This country has a long history of socialism -- Terry, 14:48:30 10/20/08 Mon [1]

The Social Security Act of 1935 is a perfect example.

In the dictionary definition, democracy "is government by the people in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system." In the phrase of Abraham Lincoln, democracy is a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people."

Source: http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/whatsdem/whatdm2.htm

If you have a democracy that elects a goverment which supports some forms of socialism, does that make it more or less of a democracy?


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[> [> I know that a Socialist Democracy is possible - FDR is a good example -- Jeannine, 15:49:23 10/20/08 Mon [1]

but, I truly believe that the principles of capitalism are what made this country great. I know you don't agree, and that is what elections are for.


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[> [> Wouldn't you agree -- SB, 20:55:08 10/20/08 Mon [1]

that President Bush's bailout plan was socialism?

I've been trying to read up a lot more on economics and this is not directed at you Jeannine but when Obama talks about his plan for raising taxes on the 5% of the richest Americans (who were the recipients of the greatest 'redistribution of wealth' with the tax cuts for them since Reagan) and then gives tax cuts to 95% of working people how is it that that is called socialism, but when the government bails out these financial institutions who have spent the last decade being severly incompetent (and GREEDY), that's been called "shoring up the economy"?

Aren't all taxes “redistribution of wealth?” The question is, do we want to keep distributing it UPWARD or do we want to actually have a middle class in ten years? The middle class is the foundation - when it begins to crumble the whole house is at risk. I've read Capitalism regulates greed. Socialism prohibits greed. As Gordon Gecko says, greed is good and all, but our capitalist society has not done it's job in regulating greed, probably because the people who have run it are GREEDY (duh-LOL). I do not believe Obama IS a socialist as I understand the term to mean. They like to use that term because the "C" word is associated with it. It goes along with the continuing fear tactics of that campaign...but I digress.

In the end there must be middle ground there and whoever wins the election will have a nightmarish 4 years. Let's not forget there IS a voting Congress also...not just a President who can project a certain will upon the people on his own.


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[> Ya know, I figured if I wanted to know how you are feeling -- doni, 22:28:13 10/20/08 Mon [1]

this was the place to find out, girl! lol I was right! Glad you are okay. Only a few more weeks and this will be OVER (or just beginning) ~~ominous music~~


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[> LOL @ the Obama board. Well I'm just glad to see you here. And you're -- LAwoman, 00:34:14 10/21/08 Tue [1]

right. It certainly isn't a done deal. Anything can happen. I'm still reeling from the 2000 election debacle. But I am thrilled that C. Powell is backing Obama, not because I think it will necessarily get him more votes, but because I really respect Powell even though he is a Republican *wink*.


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[> Just to be clear, Obama is not a socialist. -- scooter, 06:15:48 10/21/08 Tue [1]

Why is a tax cut for middle class Americans being called socialist? Why is it okay to give tax cuts to the richest Americans and corporations, but not the rest of us? There is a problem in this country when 90% of the wealth is concentrated in 5% of the population.


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[> Good to see you! -- DizzyDeb, 06:41:55 10/21/08 Tue [1]

It's been kinda dull her without you! LOL! Who wants to talk to nobody but folks who agree with you all the time? I may not always agree with you, but I do always enjoy reading another opinion.


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[> Nice to "see" you again Jeannine! -- JennyJenkins, 20:22:10 10/21/08 Tue [1]

Obama is NOT a Socialist. Not in the sense that we here in Canada understand socialism.

...but if it's "socialism" to give tax cuts to the middle and poor classes, and decent health coverage for the same people, what's wrong with that. Doesn't the USA need to have healthier and happier citizens, especially nowadays... ;-/

That's so funny, considering any reforms that he might bring in, might still be vetoed by the DEMOCRATIC Senate. LOL :-)


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