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Date Posted: 09:00:43 02/10/08 Sun
Author: Jeannine
Subject: You may be right Muppy - I hope so
In reply to: muppetmel 's message, "Jeannine, I'm thinking the opposite .." on 06:45:41 02/10/08 Sun

I am very much in agreement with McCain on a number of issues, most especially the WOT. I don't think opposition to Bush is the plus that the media thinks it is - he is not nearly as reviled as it put forth out there --- but as I have stated before, I will no longer beat that dead horse here.

Truth be told, it is still a looonnnngggg time till the conventions and general election and it is a great ride getting there, isn't it?

Also Muppy --- please please please post here more often! I need you!!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You may be right Muppy - I hope so -- muppetmel, 11:05:10 02/10/08 Sun [1]

This whole election process has been very interesting so far. It seems to me that it hasn't (so far) been as devisive as in the past, meaning the lines between Repubs/Demos have been blurred a bit by force of necessity (not a lot of options on either side). Again, all this could change when the real campaigning (the presidential election) starts.

For the record, this is the first presidential election campaign I've followed closely, so I can't really compare to other elections.

The other thing I think might shoehorn McCain in is what has emerged as a neck-and-neck race for the Democrat nominee. The liberal side seems quite split down the middle between Hilary and Obama. Really fascinating!

I'm hoping in the end to see a McCain-Thompson slate and Presidential win, a middle conservative and a running mate more "hard right." We need strong, visionary leadership and a partnership that bridges all sides to get through this awful and troubling period in history, not only in terms of the WOT but also the enormous issues America is facing, particularly the immigration issue, health care and a shaky (tanking!) economy. I say "we," because obviously what happens in America affects Canada and the world.

A McCain-Thompson win would continue the repair to relations between Canada and the U.S. started under Bush and the Stephen Harper government -- badly torn asunder during the Clinton-Chretien years. I'm afraid that likely would deteriorate again if Hilary were to win. Not sure at all about Obama, but I'd be hopeful that he would be a relationship builder.

I do see this electoral process heralding change and rebuilding trust, which I think foundered badly because of the divisiveness heightened during the Bush administration.

As for Bush, I've admired him throughout his administration (throw tomatoes here...) until recently. I've been troubled by his soft approach on immigration and I thought he wavered on his support of Israel (a personal priority issue for me of course), but not one iota on the WOT (which is partly, but not exclusively tied up with the fortunes of Israel).

Jeannine, I can't promise I'll post here more. I've stayed away purposely because it gets too angry and too personal. I'll probably beat a hasty retreat if it does again. But if it stays civil, I'll be here, and I'm certainly appreciative of the way you debate! :-)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I read this piece I thought was kind of interesting recently. -- HF, 21:41:15 02/10/08 Sun [1]

Now, it was in an admittedly exceptionally liberal article in Rolling Stone, but the mag does publish PJ O'Rourke so...

Anyway, it said that in '04 the Republicans got a lot of the conservative-leaning independent vote with the anti-gay marriage bills. The article noted that this time around, the "hot button" Repub. issue is immigration and that it's really weird because if you survey the population it's revealed that roughly the same percentage that supports banning gay marriage supports more lenient immigration laws. So while in '04, the conservatives were picking up a good part of the independents, this year they're totally alienating them and sending them to the Dems. No idea if this is actually true or not, but as a "let whoever wants into the US come in" kind of gal, I find the theory fascinating.


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