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Subject: Re: Nude during physical exam


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Mike
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Date Posted: 13:25:48 07/13/09 Mon

Ofcourse you have to be nude during physical exam, thats why it's a physical.
I had around 10 exams. Mostly I was in my shorts and had to strip down only for a few minutes at the end.
The first exam I was standing in front of the doctor when he asked me to remove my shorts. Then he examed my penis and testicals.
A few exams I had to be nude for about 30 minutes in front of the doctor and nurse. Since it was not my first time I didn't feel uncomfortable with it. Being completly nude during a physical is, beside the first time, no problem for me.
The doctors, male and female, were pro's and did there job. Even the time I got a hard one they act as a pro by saying that it was a normal reaction for a man and continue there job.

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Nick
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Date Posted: 22:43:51 07/18/09 Sat

Mike. I have had physicals where I had to strip naked to be examined. These exams were administered by a female physician with a female nurse assisting. In grade school the doctor would be looking for normal development of the body such as the spine. I admit I was more than a little nervous the first time a school physical was performed on me but it became a routine as the years passed on. Of course heart.blood pressure and hernia-genitle checks were done. The doctor was very nice so that made it go easier.

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[> Subject: What About Adults? Anyone Ever Examined That Way?


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Frank
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Date Posted: 05:41:49 07/19/09 Sun

Has anyone had a nude examination as a adult? I know we all have to "drop 'em" or lift the gown at the proper time, but has anyone had to be nude completely from the start and remain that way for the entire exam?

I have heard they do it that way in some other countries, but I am asking about the USA.

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Gary
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Date Posted: 23:00:46 05/15/12 Tue

In the Viet nam era service there was no privacy and there was lots of nudity----med exams or other stuff---I just went along and it was fine-----I am sure today's service has more privacy----it had none back then

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[> Subject: Re: Nude during physical exam


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Will
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Date Posted: 06:15:28 07/19/09 Sun

In Manhattan there is a male doctor who has all his patients 'take everything off so I can see your skin and put your clothes on the back of the door.' If a patient doesn't understand what he wants, he makes it clear after height and weight that your underwear comes off.

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White
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Date Posted: 23:32:00 09/05/09 Sat

What is this doctor's name?

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Tony - Moderator
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Date Posted: 13:54:00 07/19/09 Sun

Will, do you know who that Manhattan doctor is?

It's a very long story, but to make it short, my grandfather took me to see his doctor about my bad back and after checking out my back - wearing my boxers shorts - the doctor wanted to do a complete physical and had me remove my boxers and stay naked throughout the remainder of the physical.

That was quite some time ago and doctors today seem overly concerned with keeping you covered up to the point of being silly about it sometimes.

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[> Subject: Re: Nude during physical exam


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Jason
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Date Posted: 20:52:12 09/11/09 Fri



I have been to the above mentioned doctor in Manhattan.

My current, another doc in Manhattan - Also has me naked.

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greg
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Date Posted: 17:27:28 09/14/09 Mon

how old is u? if u are a teen or real young guy it may be usual to be naked like that but ic ant imagine being naked as an older adult

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Matt
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Date Posted: 00:53:57 09/15/09 Tue

I'm in high school and for my physicals my doctor makes me get totally naked right away and i stay naked the whole time. He's a pediatrician, i dont know if that makes a difference.

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White
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Date Posted: 17:10:57 11/23/09 Mon

Would you mind posting the name of the other doctor who requires completely stripping? Are there any female doctors in NYC that require this?

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[> Subject: Re: Nude during physical exam


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Will
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Date Posted: 22:30:53 09/16/09 Wed

I don't mind being nude for a physical.

I hate playing peek-a-boo with the doctor.

I don't have anything special. He has seen what I have many many times in his career.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 06:34:13 09/21/09 Mon

"Matt" : I guess that it makes a difference if you go to see a pediatrician and an other doctor; normally the pediatrician is less concerned by your modesty and is treating you as if you were still a child even if you bare in high school.
If he is instructing you to be nude since the start of the exam, it is more common for a pediatrician with younger boys than you are.

For "Tony" : I am wondering if it was not less embarrassing too be nude in front of your grandfather than in front of your father and of course mother ( and the same, less embarrassing if it would have neen your grand mother than your mother) why? because they were older than your parents there was a great difference of age, they had lived in an other time for respect of privacy, so they had seen many things in their life and you were their loved grandson they have seen naked certainly after his birth.
Did your grand father talk to you after the examination, did he watched very well and made after some comments about having seen you naked?

"Nick" : you don't say much about your physicals in grade school, was it in school physicals that you were naked in front of a female doctor and a female nurse, was it only for the check of spine and check hernia?
for the check of spine, how did the doctor perform the exam, did she look at your spine behind you with the nurse, did you have to bend over to touch your toes, did you have to walk a little in the exam room, did she tape at your back or put her hands in your back to slide from the higher part to the lower part of the spine until the crack of the cheeks?

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[> Subject: Re: Nude during physical exam


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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 17:56:21 09/24/09 Thu

I assisted as a nurse in the reception area of a remand home for boys in the early seventies .
It was the arrangement that all new boys arriving off the coach from juvenile courts around the south east would be subjected to a thorough medical examination .
Many of the boys would have been away from home for the first time . So amidst some sobbing and tears they would be lead along the corridor to our well lit medical examination room where I would try to put them at some ease .
I would take details of each boy before they were told by one of the male staff to strip completely naked .
They were required to get into line and be examined head to toe .
The process was carried out as quickly and efficiently as was practical ,but for the boys it probably seemed ages before they would put on some clean fresh clothing after taking their mandatory supervised shower . .

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Vera
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Date Posted: 04:41:36 09/25/09 Fri

What was your reaction to doing your job? Did you like seeing all those boys nude?

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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 20:21:07 09/27/09 Sun

I had worked as an assistant to the matron at a small private school and I was offered this job during my time there .
I attended an interview after a series of communications with the boys home .
I was invited to sit in on one of the induction sessions when about half a dozen boys were due to arrive and undergo the mandatory induction and inspection processes .
This was a remand home and there was not much in the way of modesty afforded these boys .
Yes ,I suppose I felt a bit sorry for them as they were being lead in , all looking nervous and bewildered .
The process was again explained to me and I was aware , as they now also were , that each boy would strip naked and allow the male doctor to examine them unhindered .
I was told that I would need to observe and note any comments made by the doctor as he checked over each boy and that I was to observe the inspection .
Seeing naked boys was not the unpleasant part of the job . I suppose in some ways going home time for me was , knowing that they would not be doing so for some time .

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Larry
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Date Posted: 08:10:43 11/02/09 Mon

"I had worked as an assistant to the matron at a small private school and I was offered this job during my time there."

As assistant to the matron at the private school you must have seen a lot of nude boys frequently as part of your job. How old were the boys there, and how old were you? Matron's assistants are usually very young. As you indicate in this post you must have preferred to see the older nude boys at the remand home.

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Ultra
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Date Posted: 12:47:55 09/26/09 Sat

I hope you got to supervise their shower. Seriously though, what were your exact duties?

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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 20:35:17 09/27/09 Sun

Well ,no I did`nt actualy see the boys showering though
it was in the same area but partialy screened off by a low wall .
It was the job of one of the male staff to take each boy over to the showers and observe that everywhere was properly cleaned .
I would take any health details or read any medical notes that might accompany a boy .
I would then stand by the doctor and observe any comments
he might make about a boys general state of health development and personal hygeine as he was thoroughly examined fully nude .

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Richard
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Date Posted: 02:27:36 09/28/09 Mon

I went to a boys' boarding school where every Friday afternoon we had a communal bath or shower (we had 3 large baths which we could get in three or four at a time). This was supervised by our matron or one of her assistants, who would check us to make sure we'd washed properly. Once a year for the first three years we had to go from this weekly bath to see the school doctor. We went to the doctor in our dressing gowns, which we removed befoe going in for examination.

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Richard to Jean
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Date Posted: 15:01:33 10/01/09 Thu

We were aged from 10 to 13 years when we had our baths and medicals. The matron would have been in her mid-fifties. One of her assistants was in her 40s I'd say and the other occasional assistant in her 30s perhaps. Hard to say.
After school on a Friday we'd go to the washrooms where the matron had already run our baths. Some of us would get into the bath together (3 or 4 at a time) - the rest would be under the shower. The matron was always popping in and out during this time. She didn't always inspect everyone (we'd have been there all day!) but she did "spot checks" where we'd have to open our towels in front of her and show ourselves. It sounds very dodgy now, but actually we just accepted it and got used to it.
When we were seeing the doctor we'd go over to the medical centre in dressing gowns. We usually left these off in matron's office and walked down the corridor nude, 3 or 4 at a time, to the doctor's. I don't know why we did this. It was a bit strange. The actual exam was pretty low key. We had to stand on a mat in front of the doctor while he looked at us. Some boys claimed the doctor lifted up their penis to look at their testes, but this never happened to me. As I recall we had the stethoscope on chest and back, ear and throat exams but I don't recall anything else.
The doc was male (always the same) and the matron and or a nurse were present as far as I recall.
After the first three years we were still examined every year, but not nude. My best memory is having a tetanus injection in my bottom from the matron's assistant in my final year!

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Karen
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Date Posted: 19:12:32 10/24/09 Sat

Marjorie Saunders. At least these boys had a male physician to administer the physicals. I can just imagine what it would have been like for them had a woman doctor performed the examinations.

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Allen
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Date Posted: 22:34:00 11/18/09 Wed

Karen. Having a pair of shorts on is just about being nude. And thats the way it was when we had our physicals in the sixth grade. The nurse stood behind us and turned our heads gently to the left as the doctor,a woman, pulled down our shorts to check our genitles. Some on this board have refered to this as the "shocker".

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Allen
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Date Posted: 20:46:30 11/21/09 Sat

Karen. I'm sure you had physicals in school. Would you like to share some of you thoughts on those exams? My guess is that you would have prefered to have been examined by a female physician.

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Ultra
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Date Posted: 19:03:23 09/29/09 Tue

The following are my experiences with medical exams with female personnel. A female family physician doctor examined my scrotum simply by reaching out and grabbing me by the balls. No warning or anything. On another exam, a female urologist told me she had to examine me and after I pulled my pants down she examined and touched me so thoroughly that I got an erection while she was handling me. She continued the hands on exam of my erect cock. Another female family physician (on the first visit to see her about a possible urinary infection ) told me to touch myself while she watched so that I would have some precum to send to the lab on a specimen stick. On the 2nd visit, she told me to pull my pants down even though I was seeing her about an unrelated condition. Another female family doc examind me completely nude even though most of the exam didn't need all of my clothes off. On another occasion I was in the hospital for an erection exam with a chemical inserted into my cock to make it erect. During the exam a female nurse and a female radiologist were both viewing my erect cock. When the exam was finished and everybody cleared out of the room except me and the nurse, my cock was bleeding and it wouldn't stop. The nurse grabbed my erection and squeezed so that the blood would clot. Another time when I was in the hospital emergency on a false alarm heart attack , the female doctor grabbed my cock( for no reason) , underneath my hospital gown. The last experience was when I was examined for genital warts in another female doctor's office, the doctor rested her arm on my bare leg while examining my penis and smiling all the time.
When I was in an STD clinic, the female doctor was playing with my semi erect cock to enable precum for the specimen stick. Afterwards outside the room she gave me a huge smile.

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Ultra
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Date Posted: 19:04:34 09/29/09 Tue

On a recent visit to my new female GP since the other one is on maternity leave, the doctor had the tech weigh me on the scale. Based on my weight and height there was a question of whether I was underweight or not and she would monitor it with me in the coming months. Since I am a runner I do not weigh that much but I went to a fitness gym to get the body fat caliper test which the medical profession doesn't do. The highly accurate body dunk tank method is extremely rarely done anywhere so that option is out. So the fitness people measured me at 12.4% which is perfect.
I am healthy and my body fat % is good and so I went back to my female GP to confront her with this new info. She agreed that maybe her original concern was out of line but before she said anything more I said to her that she should look at my body and decide for herself which is what she didn't do last time. So I quickly stripped down with her in the examining room and I took everything off including my boxer shorts which double as a swimsuit. I purposefully wore boxer shorts just in case she asked me why I am taking the shorts off as well.
My answer would have been that they cover too much of the leg. However she never even questioned the fact that I was taking my shorts off too. So there I am, completely nude except for my socks and I am literally posing for her and asking her if my muscle definition is good enough and where should I put on weight? She agreed that I have good muscle definition and that I am not underweight. That was the diagnosis after looking at my completely nude body for a good 3 minutes. I was even posing for her with different poses including the 2 arm Mr. Muscle classic pose. This was very exciting and I couldn't wait to get back home and masturbate.

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Vera
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Date Posted: 01:42:01 09/30/09 Wed

If it was so exciting, did you get an erection while she was looking at you? If so, what did she say? If not, why not?

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Ken
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Date Posted: 12:19:53 11/26/10 Fri

Vera. Males don't get erections for just any reason. I had a woman physician examine me throughout all of my school years and I didn't start to get an erection until the ninth grade when i was relaxed and knew what to expect. The doctor was a pleasant woman and didn't seem to pay much attention to my stiffening organ.

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Ultra
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Date Posted: 22:15:58 09/30/09 Wed

No, I didn't get an erection because obviously I couldn't touch myself. Maybe if I had been 20 years old again, I would have had an erection but unfortunately too many years have passed by since then. If you want to see my splash video email me at UltraUter@hotmail.com and I will send you the link.

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Nancy B.
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Date Posted: 00:56:45 10/01/09 Thu

She stared at you naked for a full three minutes? I doubt it. Surely you exaggerate.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 05:27:38 10/01/09 Thu

First a question to "Richard" : he did not say what was the age of the boys when he was in a boy's boarding school and had a weekly bath supervised by a matron or one of her assistants ( what was her age?), how was performed the check of their cleanliness after the bath? and how the physicals were performed by the school doctor once a year, was it alone or assisted? were they examined alone or in group after coming with their dressing gown after the bath ?
how lond did this exam last and at what age did it stopped? he said the first three years what happened after these years?

Second, a question to "M%arjorie Saunders" : what was the age of the boys who came from juvenile courts in this remand home? how lond did theuy stay naked?
if I have well undestood,first you were asking them some questions to fill an administrative or a medical form ? but they were still dressed?, then they were instructed to remove all their clothes by a supervisor but was it in front of you? and they were led to a shower but you were not here to supervise them, and after they come back in an exam room in front of a doctor and you, as nurse assistant who took notes. But how did they come from the shower room?,always naked? they had to walk already naked, how much persons could see them ? during the examination, were you alone with the doctor or was there other adults to supervise them? were they examined one by one or all together? was some exams as the eye vision or the weigh in performed also in the nude, by whom, you or the doctor

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Ultra
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Date Posted: 16:39:42 10/01/09 Thu

Yes, It took a full 3 minutes to describe my body as I was doing a Mr. Muscle pose and I was turning around and commenting on different parts of my body asking her if she thought I was too thin. She had to agree after looking at my torso for that length of time that I definitely was not too thin.

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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 18:25:08 10/01/09 Thu

Replying to jean the frenchie .
The remand home dealt with boys aged twelve to seventeen .
All new boys arriving were subject to a mandatory strip naked medical and personal hygeine inspection .This was followed by a shower . Each boy was provided with a change of underware jeans and a top .
Each new group of boys would be brought into the reception area . A fairly large well lit half tiled room .
I would be the first to greet them in this room ,though two other male staff members would have entered with them . Also of course the doctor would be present in the room or on his way .
I would open a medical record for each boy ,checking details of name , age , home address , school etc . Also details from the boy or any medical notes accompanying the boy regarding any health issues . These would be placed with his medical record .
On completion of such details from each boy I would indicate to one of the male staff to instruct the boys to get completely undressed place their clothing in a marked bag and form a line to be weighed and measured by myself .
By this time the doctor was ready to begin examining the first boy lined up in front of him and I would join him
to take his observations as he checked each boy . Scalp ,ears , teeth ,underarms ,chest and back sounded ,then penis testicles and bending over , buttocks spread for visual inspection .
As the doctor finished with each boy he would be lead over to the showers by a staff member to join any others as they washed under supervision .

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Don to Marjorie
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Date Posted: 06:37:18 10/02/09 Fri

What a hippocrit! All you do on another site is complain about how you were sexually abused and how you will NEVER accept opposite gender care or be examined by a man while naked. But you believe it's OK for you to do that exact thing to young, volnurable and scared boys? How can you live with yourself? Did you really think it was alright to do that?

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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 11:23:56 10/03/09 Sat

Sorry Don ,I think you have got a bit confused here with someone else ?

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 18:24:30 10/05/09 Mon

"Marjorie" : I have still some questions about your experience in a remand home.

You have said that the boys were from 12 to 17 age ; When some boys came from juvenile courts, did they were gathered by group of about the same age, for example a first group from 12 to 14 age, and an other group of 14 to 17 age or did they were gathered in a group of half a dozen all mixed in ages of 12 to 17 and forced to report in front of you all together ?

If they were mixed all together with a great difference of age,it would be more embarrassing for the older boys who were naked with the younger ones in the same line first in front of you and after in front of the doctor.

I am also surprised that they were led to take a shower all together after the thorough examination by the doctor.
In my opinion,it would have been more efficient if the boys took their shower before examination, their cleanliness would have been checked before and not after.
If I was a doctor, I would order that the process of inspection was modified. It would be more normal.

An other issue was that if I have well undersrtood,the boys were naked for the first part of the examination, the weigh of course, but also I presume for a vision test which was not necessary.

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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 18:03:33 10/07/09 Wed

In answer to jean the frenchie ,the boys were just a mixed age group as sent and as a mixed group they had to undergo the reception process or procedure .
As each boy`s inspection was completed he would be ushered over to the showers on the other side of the reception area . This was effectively in the same room but was partly screened by a low wall.
This would then make way for the next boy in line to step forward for inspection and so on .
The boys arriving would have come from all sorts of backgrounds and personal hygeine standards ,often poor . So the procedure of having to undress for the doctor`s inspection before a shower allowed for easier identification of any parasitic conditions that might be accompanying a boy . This would of course be noted and any treatment provided . Then the shower ,some treatment if required followed by clean underware and some clean outer clothing .

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Jock
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Date Posted: 13:42:38 10/06/09 Tue

I don't know if Marjorie is still around because I wanted to ask her if she was the only female employed in this remand home for boys. I have seen several other accounts on other forums about these remand homes or juvenile detention centres where several of the guards were women, sometimes girls just out of college, who regularly searched the boys nude or oversaw them while showering as part of their duty. I think it is or was the same in some bootcamps where the boys are humiliated in every way to increase their punishment and discipline. Can anyone confirm this?

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Marjorie Saunders
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Date Posted: 18:13:17 10/07/09 Wed

In reply to Jock ,yes there were one or two other women employed at the home .
Certainly at least one in the office and they did have a matron . Another woman came in for music lessons for those who showed an interest .
Humiliation was never any intended part of the process.
The requirement to strip was for a reason , it was I know similar to procedures at a remand home for girls also .

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Billy
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Date Posted: 06:13:58 11/01/09 Sun

Marjorie, I think you said in another post that no other female was present in the reception area when the boys came in. But I think Jock is right when he said that in many of these remand homes for juveniles there would sometimes be other females present, like a secretary to take down the particulars of each boy apart fom the medical one. In one account it is even mentioned that the reception area where the boys were made to strip for inspection had a window next to the office where the female clerk employees worked and could easily see the proceedings. Not to mention that some of the guards or carers at these homes were female and would monitor the boys all the time. But this was obviously not in your case. Was this in England, because in America it may be different.

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Roc
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Date Posted: 19:43:04 10/07/09 Wed

My doctor does my complete physical with me being completely naked. I have no problem with procedure as I have been seeing him for ten or more years. This allows him to examine my skin from head to toe and allows the exam to flow smoothly from one part of my body to the next. I'm very comfortable with this procedure.

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matt
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Date Posted: 20:20:15 10/07/09 Wed

how old are you? what city?

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Roc
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Date Posted: 19:46:44 10/08/09 Thu

Late 50's from Southeast Wisconsin.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 03:47:06 10/08/09 Thu

" Marjorie" :

you have not answered to my question about the odd inducion process of the new boys coming in this remand home.

if the boys were from 11 to 17 age, were they gathered in a mixed group with younger and older ones when they were instructed to strip completely at your induction process?

And also why did they took a shower after the thorough examination by the doctor because it was not sensible!
why the doctor did not ask to modify the sequence of the process?
When we had draft physicals in France at 18 age, we had always a shower before the examination in a pre-induction center.

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Date Posted: 09:29:44 10/08/09 Thu

The ages of the boys would have been twelve to seventeen .
They were not divided off youngest or oldest they would all be together ,usually no more than half a dozen at a time might arrive at the home .
So a twelve yr old would have to strip alongside a seventeen yr old or vice versa and be examined .
During my nearly two yrs assisting at the home ,that was the procedure they adopted .
As I said if any had parasitic conditions it would be spotted before they showered and this would be noted and treatment provided .
If inspection was done after a boy had showered then it might have been harder to detect and may have gone unnoticed and not treated .

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Date Posted: 18:28:32 10/08/09 Thu

well, I am always thinking that it is odd to perform a thorough inspection of the body of boys before shower because you could have instructed the boys to strip immediately, then have a first look on the boys to spot a parasitic condition in purpose to treat them after and immediately after a shower and only after the medical inspection. That sequence seems to me more normal even for the doctor.

What was the number of boys who came each week?
how many boys have you seen during your two years assisting at this remand home?

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Date Posted: 10:41:49 10/14/09 Wed

Marjorie Saunders did the lady who came in to teach music see any of the boys nude?

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Date Posted: 17:19:08 10/14/09 Wed

In answer to zone ,no the female music teacher would never had been in a situation when any of the boys would have been in a state of undress .

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Date Posted: 04:39:31 10/16/09 Fri

"Marjorie" you have not answered to my last questions?

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Date Posted: 17:38:30 10/16/09 Fri

Sorry I thought I had made it all clear ,and yes perhaps your idea might have been an effective inspection procedure ,but I can`t wind back the clock now .
I suppose the usual sort of number of boys arriving would have been about half a dozen at a time , sometimes less .
Certainly I don`t remember any larger numbers coming in at any one time .
I suppose during nearly two years I would have seen about fifty boys .

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Date Posted: 23:12:34 10/17/09 Sat

Marjorie, were there ever female teachers or other non medical females present during these boys physical exams?

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Date Posted: 17:11:01 10/19/09 Mon

No Billy

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Date Posted: 13:09:28 10/18/09 Sun

White and Tony, Moderator: Higgins, M.D. on West 19th Street, north side, between 7th and 8th Avenues right next to Chelsea Biologics, if all are still there.

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Date Posted: 09:11:23 10/20/09 Tue

"marjorie" : you have answered to my question, I wanted to know how much boys you have seen at the induction process to entry during your two years of job in this remand home;

You said that it was fifty boys, which is not a very large number since they were about six each time, so in two years, there was only ten times where you had to be there for an induction process to entry of boys, less than once by month.

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Date Posted: 17:00:30 10/23/09 Fri

In reply to jean the frenchie . I note your calculation in response to my estimate of how many boys I would have seen brought in for inspection during my two years attending at a boys remand home .
I might clarify the point that it must be accepted that not every week or even every month would there be new boys arriving at the centre .
The home had room to accomodate about thirty boys .
When they had no available places there would be no new boys sent there .They would go to other homes maybe further away outside London .
As boys were released , places would become available to receive the new boys .
Also at this time I was attending at a similar type of home for girls ,again as and when I was required .
This was also to assist in the Reception Area where again all new girls would have to submit to a similar inspection process .
I was kept busy as we were starting our family and this working arrangement suited me at this time .

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Date Posted: 17:47:16 10/23/09 Fri

Marjorie,
With reference to the girls' medical examinations that you witnessed, did the girls see a male or a female doctor?
Would you say that these girls were embarrassed by the procedure? And, finally, did you also supervise their baths/showers?

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Date Posted: 18:23:56 10/24/09 Sat

In reply to Richard ,the girls were usually examined by a male doctor , but the arrangement differed slightly from the one adopted for the boys .
This remand centre for girls held about twenty or so .
They too would have been sent from juvenile courts having received a recommended term ,some weeks or months imposed for whatever they had done wrong ,perhaps theft , violence , or maybe even ,persistent truency from school .
So they too would be subjected to a mandatory strip medical and personal hygiene inspection in the reception area .
This of course was to prevent the spread of any disease and therefore protect the other girls .
Of course any such requirement would have been embarrasing
for a girl , but they had been sent by a Court of Law for wrongdoing and would have to comply to the requirements of the remand home they now found themselves in .
Room 3 was where the girls would have explained to them some Home rules procedures and punishments if deserved etc .
They would then be taken through to the Medical Inspection waiting room where the girls would have to strip naked in the presence of two female staff and put on a supplied dressing gown .
I would take details ,weigh and measure them and take them behind a screen to see the doctor .
After a full examination each girl would leave through another door for a supervised shower .Another female staff member assisted here .

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Date Posted: 15:42:50 10/27/09 Tue

Marjorie,
Can you remember what form the girls' medical took when they went to the doctor?

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Date Posted: 10:32:46 10/24/09 Sat

Marjorie, were the boys unaccampanied while you were checking them or was it just between you and him? What ages were the boys?
I knew some boys who went to a similar home where a nurse would pay a weekly visit and check all the boys one by one for genital cleanliness after coming out of the showers. Due to the nature of the home, which was for boys with difficult behaviour problems, one member of the home staff would usually be present, sometimes a male and sometimes a female.

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Date Posted: 18:44:08 10/24/09 Sat

Replying to Billy .
The area the boys were received in was a more open arrangement . Only the showers on the other side of this room were partly seperated by a low wall .
So the boys had to undress together where the doctor ,other male staff and myself were .
So it was not just a one to one arrangement .
The boys would have been aged about twelve to seventeen .
Yes each boy would have had a regular health inspection including genital examination . This would have been done by a male doctor but sometimes a woman doctor visited the home . Always a male staff member would have been present to see the boy examined .

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Date Posted: 02:27:11 10/27/09 Tue

So why the HELL were you allowed to be there? That's a worse punishment than being confined. I guess the boys had to learn that if they were bad they had to have a dirty perverted woman gawk at their nudity.

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Date Posted: 09:14:56 11/01/09 Sun

Majorie, did your job as assistant to the matron of a private school prepare you for the remand home? What did the school job entail? Was it an added recommendation when you were employed at the remand home?
"I would then stand by the doctor and observe any comments
he might make about a boys general state of health development and personal hygeine as he was thoroughly examined fully nude." Please explain this more fully - e.g. "development" and "personal hygiene"? How did the boys react to these comments?
The showers were behind a low wall - so you would have been cognisant as to what transpired there. Any observations?
Was corporal punishment allowed at the home and could this be seen on their bodies?

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Date Posted: 19:06:24 11/01/09 Sun

In reply to Tiny . Yes it did ,in some ways .
I was brought up with two step brothers who were rather quiet studious types .
At the school where I worked the boys were quite different .
I assisted the Matron with day to day cuts and sprains. Also administering any medication and sometimes random bedtime clean hand and feet inspections .
Also I might help out with the laundry.
These boys were noisy ,full of energy certainly mischievous and often needing reminders to change their socks and underware more regularly and that soap was provided to keep them clean rather than to be placed on the floor for matron to slip on .
So being confronted with boys at the home who were often all that and more I think I was better prepared .
I had to apply like others to work at the Home but I was reccomended by others for consideration .
As each boy stepped forward the doctor would begin an established procedure of inspection .
1st , general apperance ie signs of malnourishment , neglect, cuts ,bruises etc. front then back .
Then scalp ,ears ,teeth ,underarms hands finger nails toes toe nails .
The doctor would comment ,satisfactory , poor ,needing attention ,further examination required etc .
I would just basically tick the boxes on each sheet for each boy as the doctor went through the procedure .
Healthy development could be determined by general apperance and inspection of genital area .
Despite only a low wall , about waist high I did not really see the showering procedure as it was the other side of the room .
To my knowledge corporal punishment was not used for discipline at the home .

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Date Posted: 03:09:16 11/02/09 Mon

Marjorie Saunders did a female doctor ever give the exams? And if so was she more thorough than the male doctor?

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Date Posted: 17:19:41 11/03/09 Tue

In reply to zone ,I do remember that a woman doctor was sometimes available to stand in to carry out the occasional health inspections on the boys during their stay .
Also each boy was medically examined on leaving the remand home and she would have been called in if required to assist in this .
This would have been done on an individual basis if it was just one boy being released .
The reqirement to strip naked would have been the same and this would have been in the presence of a male staff member .

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Date Posted: 07:49:48 11/02/09 Mon

Marjorie, did some of the boys get erect during these checkups, especially if they were all undressed together and had to wait in the nude for their turn to be checked?

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Date Posted: 07:57:34 11/02/09 Mon

Marjorie, as assistant to the matron when you worked at the boys home did you check the boys for cleanliness after their bath or showers?

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Date Posted: 18:10:43 11/03/09 Tue

Replying to Larry . Well Larry it would seem that boys even in embarrassing situations cannot hide what they are thinking or feeling .
Being under compulsion to take off every stich of clothing in such a formal manner in the presence of others always brought at least a blush and even a gasp . Sometimes some nervous giggling .
But those thoughts or feelings would become evident when the final item of clothing had to come down .
So what could normally be concealed in underwear became apparent .
Hands clasped in front had to be hands behind the head when before the doctor .
Some questions from the understanding doctor about parents and home life often distracted a boys thoughts from what was going on below .
Also regarding the private boys school I worked in .
Random bathtime checks were carried out with boys in underpants and vest . Just , behind ears type of thing ,or clean hands and feet .

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Date Posted: 18:56:46 11/02/09 Mon

I think that some comments of Marjorie are interesting because they show us how things have changed in a certain way;

it is true that in the recent past years, it was common for a mother or anybody else who was in care of boys to have to remind boys under may be 16 age that they might change their socks and underwears more regularly and frequently.

It was the same in France in summer camp and boarding schools, the boys needed really a reminder or even an inspection if the supervisors wanted that they were clean.

I believe that it is different now, boys are more concerned by their cleanliness than in the past;

so in the past, it was not a sadistic attitude but boys really needed to be supervised for the cleanliness of socks and underwears( furthermore if they had not been educated by their family) and of course the body;

it seems to me very logical in a remand home where the boys needed to learn many rules of life that they had not learned in their families!

As regards the inspection of their body to look if they had not some bruises, front and back, it is also logical.

it was made also by military doctors in the russian army when they had to perform an examination of new soldiers in the navy just after their arrival on a boat.I have seen it on a documentary;

To "marjorie" ; I am not really shocked by that but I have noticed that the rules of the process of induction in the remand home were not exactly the same for girls and boys ; if i have well understood, the girls were not examined all naked together, they stripped completely first but they were examined one by one behind a curtain, it was not so similar to military physicals in group as it was for the boys. The worst humiliation would be for the older boys between 14 and 17 age, when they were examinedin plain view of each other, under that age, it was less embarrassing

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Date Posted: 18:02:48 11/04/09 Wed

In reply to jean the frenchie . I agree with your comments about boys being more concerned with being clean these days and often less so in times past .
Hence as you report French boys at school or camp found themselves having to let , a presumably male ,staff member inspect their underware and private areas to see that they observed adequate personal hygiene .
At the girls remand home an element of modesty was provided for .
At the mandatory strip physical inspection aii new girls arriving were subjected to ,the girls were individually inspected by the doctor behind a screen with a nurse present with him . Not all in together waiting in the nude one behind the other waiting their turn , as was the case for the boys .
However they would have have had to obey the two women staff members in the arrival room when they were instructed to strip naked and put on a dressing gown and wait to be taken into the inspection room.

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Date Posted: 00:39:19 11/03/09 Tue

Thank you, Marjorie! I apologise if my enquiry got some readers to blur your two jobs. For further clarification - You said, "Healthy development could be determined by general apperance and inspection of genital area ". Does this mean the doctor commented on their puberty status as well as the size of their genitals (penis, testicles)? Would any measurements have been taken with Tanner balls or tape measures/rulers or would there be more general comment on size? If measured, would this be flaccid or erect? And pubic hair or general hirsutenes - was this commented on? Or would any of these aspects be takn up in the later, follow-on examinations? You mentioned earlier, "Yes each boy would have had a regular health inspection including genital examination".

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Date Posted: 17:45:55 11/05/09 Thu

you said that thre was a great difference between the inspection of boys and girls at their arrival, at least for the examination by the doctor and the nurse who was performed one by one behind a screen and not in a military manner like for the boys.

were you surprised by this difference ? or did you think at that time that it was normal because girls needed more privacy ?

did you asked to the male staff or the doctor why the examination was performed like that with the boys lining up naled for their turn to be examined in plain view and not like it was for girls what would have been simple to do?

what did they answered ?

do you think that this complete lack of respect for the modesty of boys was considered as a way to dicipline them more faster and was in purpose to humiliate them, and not only for more efficiency in the inspection in purpose to loose not any time.

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Date Posted: 00:58:41 11/03/09 Tue

Marjorie, I presume that these were British youths and almost all would therefore be uncircumcised (especially if working or middle class boys)? Were their prepuces retracted by the doctor (or were they asked to retract their foreskins themselves) to test for phimosis? Would this be part of the "hygiene control"? Was there a system of mandatory circumcision as some institutions (e.g. some Borstols and, apparantly, in some countries such as in the USA and Australia) practised? Did the doctor comment on their circumcision status, foreskin pliability and hygiene? How did the boys react to their very public examination?

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Date Posted: 18:30:21 11/04/09 Wed

Replying to Tiny . Well generaly these were just boys from ordinary working class families . Though I can relate that sometimes boys from obviously higher social levels would be brought into the reception area .
This would be obvious by their apperance and of course by the way they spoke .
But in a remand home their are no distinctions . If they found themselves in here they would have no option but to obey any orders from the male staff .
One of the first being to strip naked and line up for inspection .
It was the doctor who would push back a boys foreskin if it was present ,and it usually was . This was for health and hygiene purposes .
But before that of course the doctor would want to see scalp ears inside mouth underarms hands fingernails , pubic region . The boy would then have to turn around to show souls of feet and bend over to allow the doctor to
spread his buttocks for a qhick visual inspection.

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Date Posted: 01:25:40 11/05/09 Thu

Marjorie, did you enjoy watching those teen boys lined up nude waiting for inspection and during the inspection itself? how old were you then?
Also what was your duty at the boys school as matron's assistant?

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Date Posted: 17:49:05 11/05/09 Thu

to "Marjorie"

I presume that the few boys of higher society were more embarrassed during this first inspection and examination than those of lower class society?

you said that thre was a great difference between the inspection of boys and girls at their arrival, at least for the examination by the doctor and the nurse who was performed one by one behind a screen and not in a military manner like for the boys.

were you surprised by this difference ? or did you think at that time that it was normal because girls needed more privacy ?

did you asked to the male staff or the doctor why the examination was performed like that with the boys lining up naled for their turn to be examined in plain view and not like it was for girls what would have been simple to do?

what did they answered ?

do you think that this complete lack of respect for the modesty of boys was considered as a way to dicipline them more faster and was in purpose to humiliate them, and not only for more efficiency in the inspection in purpose to loose not any time.

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Date Posted: 17:56:07 11/06/09 Fri

Responding to jean the frenchie ,yes I would agree that boys of more ordinary upbringing were more used to roughing it a bit more than boys who came from more refind families .
Thinking about it ,those boys who were more well spoken and of generally smarter apperance and no doubt spoiled , probably found it more of an indignity to be told by two working class male staff members in waistcoats with their sleeves rolled up to " strip naked and no nonsence " .Then to have to place their smart clothing in a paper bag and stand in the nude among other boys who may not have looked or smelt as clean as themselves .
I remember one rather posh boy in glasses ,neat hair style and well spoken crying as he was told three times to strip .
His underpants were taken down and off for him as he felt this too much of an indignity in front of others .
He still had to stand nude with his hands behind his head and feet apart as the doctor told him that all new boys were treated the same .
I was not surprised that girls who`s ages ranged between about eleven to fifteen were given more privacy . It just seemed more appropriate . Yes it would have been a simpler process to just bring them into one brightly lit room ,order them to strip and line up for a full medical inspection in front of each other .
But they were examined behind a screen with only the doctor his nurse and sometimes a female staff member present .
The girls also had to lie on an examination table during part of the inspection process .
I don`t think that deliberate humiliation ,for the sake of humiliation was intended .

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Date Posted: 01:49:16 11/07/09 Sat

Majorie, you have been quite full of information about your experiences and what happened to the boys, and who did what. But when I asked you how you felt about it, all you said was "Seeing naked boys was not the unpleasant part of the job."

That is a pretty thin statement I think. I mean you were a young woman and some of these boys were as old as 16 or 17. Such boys would typically be fully developed as men, at least as far as their genitals were concerned, or close to it. I am pretty sure seeing such boys naked would have a distinct effect on any woman, even one whose preference was not for men, but certainly on any girl whose sexual experience was limited. I know it would be for me. So, please be more revealing about how you felt about seeing these young men naked (and in some cases I would expect somewhat embarrassed or even humiliated). Did you find their bodies interesting or enticing? Did you find yourself looking at their genitals and comparing one boy's to another's? How did it effect you when you noticed the differences between circumcised and uncircumcised boys, boys with long or short penises, boys with large full testicles or with small ones? Did you think about their naked bodies afterwards? I know I would have when I was a young woman, and the thinking would provide me both curiosity and some excitement. Did you ever pleasure yourself thinking about them? It would be difficult if not impossible for me to believe all of this would not affect your emotions, including your sexual feelings. You recall the details so well! So please be candid about how all this affected you. Thank you.

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Date Posted: 03:55:48 11/07/09 Sat

I also asked her two simple questions which she never answered, unless I missed them. What age she was and what were her duties as a matron's assistant at the boys boarding school at which she worked.
I understand that she may not want to answer intimate questions about her felings, most women are secretive about these feelings, though most posters on this forum seem to be open about them, and anyone can speak freely since it is under anonimity.
Vera, you seem to be more open and honest about it and straight to the point, without hiding your feelings about what you rection would be if you were in the same situation with all those nude teen boys in front of you.

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Date Posted: 14:12:39 11/07/09 Sat

Thanks, Larry.

I just want to see how honest "Majorie Saunders" really is. She is very detailed about what she says happened. But no woman could remember that much without remember exactly how she felt about it.

We'll see.

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Date Posted: 18:46:40 11/07/09 Sat

Vera ,and also for Larry . I appologise if I have not detailed those aspects of my duties, personal observations and private thoughts during my time working with the medical services for a local authority .
I was in my late twenties when I took up this post in a remand home for boys .
Before that I had worked assisting the matron at a small private school for boys aged eleven to fifteen .
Here I was able to offer care regarding sports injuries etc. Also administering medication for short term ailments and also for one or two boys on regular medication .
Boys were checked at random after their evening bath before bed . Just three or four perhaps into matron`s room by the main bathroom in just vest and underpants to check for being clean behind the ears ,hands ,fingernails, feet and toes .Also if they had brushed their teeth .
I would take this duty when required to .
From time to time scalp hygeine was kept an eye on .
Most important was the yearly full medical examination every boy had to attend . Parents could attend also .
So there were several areas of duty for me ,even assisting with laundry needs .
During my time there of course I would have seen boys in various stages of undress .
At the remand home my duties required me to be present in an enclosed area where boys would have to remove all their clothing also in front of two male staff members , and of course the doctor .
When I was nine years old my mother re married and I found myself having a step father who believed in corporal punishment for his own two sons aged twelve and fourteen .
My step father required this to be carried out with the boys stripped naked . My Mother and myself had to be present in the living room to add to the seriousness of the occasion .
An elderly, Aunt living there was also able to see the boys receiving their discipline .
The first time I entered the living room knowing I was going to see for the first time boys without any clothes on filled me with more than just curiosity .
To be honest I could`nt wait .
It was no hardship having to sit in on those disciplinary occasions . Until that is ,when it was decided that I too would be similarly dealt with .
Yes boys always looked good to me ,but male doctors examining girls have to remain proffesional and so too did this young nurse .

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Date Posted: 02:19:23 11/08/09 Sun

Thank you for that , Marjorie. You wrote:"Boys were checked at random after their evening bath before bed . Just three or four perhaps into matron`s room by the main bathroom in just vest and underpants to check for being clean behind the ears ,hands ,fingernails, feet and toes .Also if they had brushed their teeth .
I would take this duty when required to .
From time to time scalp hygeine was kept an eye on ." What about keeping the glans penis clean? Did you check under their foreskins? Boys of 11 to 15 are notoriously lax about intimate hygiene.

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Date Posted: 02:25:45 11/08/09 Sun

That was interesting Marjorie.

But to repeat my questions -- you were a young woman and some of these boys were as old as 16 or 17. Such boys would typically be almost fully developed as men, at least as far as their genitals were concerned, or close to it. I am pretty sure seeing such boys naked would have a distinct effect on any woman, even one whose preference was not for men, but certainly on any girl whose sexual experience was limited. I know it would be for me. So, please be more revealing about how you felt about seeing these young men naked (and in some cases I would expect somewhat embarrassed or even humiliated). To make this easier, let me enumerate my questions for you:

1) Did you find their bodies interesting or enticing? Did you find yourself looking at their genitals and comparing one boy's to another's?

2) How did it effect you when you noticed the differences between circumcised and uncircumcised boys, boys with long or short penises, boys with large full testicles or with small ones?

3) Did you think about their naked bodies afterwards? I know I would have when I was a young woman, and the thinking would provide me both curiosity and some excitement. Did you find some boys' bodies more exciting than others?

4) Did you ever pleasure yourself thinking about them? It would be difficult if not impossible for me to believe all of this would not affect your emotions, including your sexual feelings, somehow.

5) And a new question based on what you just reported. What kind of excitement did you feel when you saw your two step brothers stripped naked and disciplined by your step father? Was it a sexual feeling? Did you enjoy the actual spanking or just the nudity?

You recall the factual details so well of what you saw or did, but almost nothing about how this made you feel. As a woman, I find that very curious. So please be candid about how all this effected your emotions. Thank you.

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Olga to Marjorie
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Date Posted: 02:54:24 11/09/09 Mon

Marjorie, how old were your step-brothers, when you last times saw their spanking? Perhaps, boys nudity in the remand home wasn't big deal for you, because in your childhood you saw step-brother naked in their teen-age. Really?

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Date Posted: 23:16:25 11/08/09 Sun

Marjorie Saunders you said that the boys at the private school recieved yearly physical. How was the physical exams conducted? And did the moms attended the physicals or the dads? Also were the boys exposed to the other parents?

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Date Posted: 15:31:13 08/09/11 Tue

growing up from 12-17 the peditrician i went to would always cunduct my physical exams with me completely nude for the whole exam,when he came in the exam room after asking some questions about health sports ect he would always instruct me to take evrything off including my underwear, leaving me naked from the beggining he then proceded to give me a very thourgh exam, i always found them to be extremely humilating

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Date Posted: 02:12:05 11/08/09 Sun

Thank you, Marjorie for your frank sharing of your memories. You seem to be a caring person who performed these difficult duties with some compassion for the boys.

Please tell us more about the yearly full medical examination each boy had to attend.

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Date Posted: 19:48:11 11/08/09 Sun

Thank you Tiny for your kind comment.
Well my employment at this small private school for boys did in some ways prepare me for my later post at the remand home .
I suppose it would be regarding the once a year mandatory
School Medical Examination that all the eleven to fifteen year old boys would have to attend .I would assist the visiting Doctor ,usually the same elderly but well built man from the main practice in the town .
Even for a fifteen year old he might have looked a bit intimidating ,but not really with his direct but mild manner .
Parents were aware of the school`s policy on the requirement for their boys to attend the school medical room for a yearly thorough examination.
Most parents would attend , often both father and even mother also ,no doubt to the dismay of their blushing eleven or fifteen year old son .
But this was the sixties and boys were expected to undress
if told to do so and never mind any shyness .
About a hundred and twenty boys attended the school.
So appointments and notifications to parents wishing to attend would be organised according to classroom .
Medical records would need to be put into similar order so that I would have them ready for the doctor as I showed each boy and his parent or parents into the medical room from the waiting area outside on the day and time of the appointment .
All would be seated while the doctor brought any concerns or observations the school might have noted to the parents attention .
Parents could comment as their son was now asked to undress down to his underpants and I would weigh and measure the boy .Then I would give the boy an eye test .
He would then stand by the doctor and allow him to examine him .
This would be head to toe , ears and mouth , and underarms , chest and back sounded , hands and feet checked . I would note any comments from the doctor .
Then underpants off for genital inspection and bending over for any spine disorders and a quick visual between his buttocks .Then up onto the examination table for checking mobility of limbs .
So ,in probably about ten minutes from entering to being allowed to get dressed again ,one young man hopefully marked as healthy and two proud parents knowing a little bit more about their son .

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Date Posted: 17:43:09 11/15/09 Sun

To Author regarding those able to observe a boy`s medical examination .
Each boy along with one or both parents would be called into the medical examination room and the door would be closed .
Myself and of course the doctor would be the only other persons in the room throughout the boys examination .
As with any medical inspection the most embarrassing part is when underware has to come down or off .
A refusal to co operate with the Doctor might mean a visit to the Headmaster`s office the next day when a boys bottom might require a different type of attention.
Also parents knowing the medical inspection procedures that would have been agreed to when they enrolled their sons would have expected their boys to be obedient to the School Doctor even if this required them to strip for him.

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Date Posted: 01:10:34 11/09/09 Mon

Were boys during exam watched their own parents only or parents of other boys could see them too? How you think, which part of exam was more embarrassed for boys? Did boys, especially fifteen year old, sometimes refused take off underpants in front you and their parents?

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Date Posted: 05:09:19 11/09/09 Mon

I have asked her on several occasions now how she FELT about the experiences she describes, and she has steadfastly refused to answer.

Ladies, can any of you imagine the situations "she" says she witnessed and participated in and not have had emotional reactions to them? I cannot. Nor can I imagine why she would be reluctant to relate them. After all, they would be the most interesting parts of her entire experience!

It is too bad, because I thought at first "Marjorie Saunders" was an honest person. But it certainly appears that is not the case. I rather doubt "she" is even a woman.

What do others think?

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Date Posted: 11:48:32 11/09/09 Mon

Vera, not everyone, especially women, are willing to talk openly about their intimate feelings. In my opinion if she was a man and a fantasist the opposite would have been true, he would have emphasised more on the erotic side. So I guess that she is genuine with her matter of fact descriptions and leaving the saucy things out. I could be wrong but it is no use forcing her if she is not willing to go into those intimate details.
Like you I am interested to know about those personal feelings, but I am not going to force her.

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Date Posted: 13:12:59 11/09/09 Mon

I think situations, which were written by Marjorie Saunders, could be true. As known, in 50-60s boys' modesty never consider big deal. I believe that medical exams in boarding school for boys and in juvenil home were done so, even in presence young lady, who did secretarial work. Perhaps, she wasn't embarrassed view of naked boys because it was usual part of her work. Of course, older boys were embarrassed, but who did think about their embarrassment then, if were such rules for medical exam?

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Date Posted: 17:49:27 11/09/09 Mon

Olga, have you ever been involved with such situations with boys medicals? Or know any schools which have? I agree with you that it wasn't uncommon in many schools and juvenile homes in those days.

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Date Posted: 19:16:56 11/09/09 Mon

Vera ,would you really have thought it appropriate for me , while in a position of trust to have taken off the emotional handbrake ,allowing arousal to colour the formal and difficult situation that these boys found themselves in . Away from home perhaps for the first time and not in any position to remove themselves from an enforced process that would end in naked inspection in front of others .
So out of respect for them ,deserved or otherwise ,I would not wish draw their experiences into the arena of sexual excitement .
But regarding my early experiences at home with my step father when I was nine years old I would feel easier about expressing my feelings when being allowed to see my two step brothers both three or four years older than I was , receiving corporal punishment . My mother went along with it to keep the piece . My step father was big and strong and expected quiet obedience .So his requirement was that all clothing was to come off.
If it was just one of the boys being disciplined or both of them , "get your clothes off "was the first instruction . It was a family thing and modesty was not included on these occasions .
This would be the same for me when he decided that I too should be included for corporal punishment when he thought I needed it .
But for a few months I thought I was immune from such and so just enjoyed seeing for real what myself and the other girls at my school could only talk about or draw or sometimes find in books .
Our giggling discussions often based on what I might have seen during the week was a source of entertainment and thrill for some time .

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Date Posted: 02:40:34 11/10/09 Tue

I am sorry, "Marjorie", but I'm afraid this post seals it. First off, women almost never have a need for an "emotional handbrake". We are comfortable with, enjoy and often revel in our feelings, and do so far more often than men do. We wouldn't dream of "braking" them - that is the type of thing that men do, and do all the time. And they are good at it, good at preventing themselves from even feeling emotions. Concealing them from others for us is only for when it serves our purposes, as at the moment or in the originating situation - not years after wards. If you were a woman, you would know that. And in the dramatic situations you describe in such detail, any woman would certainly have many emotional and psychological reactions she was fully aware of.

Even more telling is what you claim is your respect for your long-ago charges and duties. It is absurd on its face, and you have great gall to even suggest it. You are quite willing to describe what happened to THEM in full detail, but not at all willing to discuss your personal reactions to them -- what happened to YOU. That is "respect" for those boys? Please, what do you take me for?

And finally, your odd misspellings ("piece" instead of "peace") and frequent misplaced commas and spaces are precisely the types of things that some men do when they write. If you haven't noticed, women do tend to write better than men.

So, as I suspected, you are a fraud. Alas.

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Date Posted: 20:32:57 10/05/12 Fri

Wow, I was looking up details of remand hostels and I found this shit.. What the fuck.. I agree with Vera about his/her misspellings that most likely indicate the OP is a fraud..

Bizarre.

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Date Posted: 23:09:40 11/13/09 Fri

Marjorie, your experience with your stepbrothers who were already in teen age must have been awesome as a young girl of just 9. Were they spanked totally nude and how did he spank them? Were you aroused while watching them? I suppose your work as a young woman at a boys school as a matron's assistant was no coincidence, you must have seen a lot of boy nudity there. Were the boys at the school spanked too, which was normal at that time? Did you ever see them getting spanked?
There was another female poster some time ago on another Voyforum who said that her first job as a nurse in her early twenties was as a school nurse in a boys boarding school where she regularly watched boys being caned bare by female teachers in her office as the required witness. I think she was Australian.

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Date Posted: 18:54:14 11/15/09 Sun

Replying to Larry . Well at nine years old my situation was that my mother and I now lived in my new step father`s house along with his own two boys ,one nearly thirteen and the other almost fifteen .
My step father`s method of discipline was to apply a firm hand spanking on the boys bare bottoms .
Not only bare bottoms but he usually required the boys to take off all their clothes in front of him and anyone else who might be present then bend over and grip their ankles or go over his lap .
He required my mother ,their step mother ,to be present but he also rquired me to be present .
My mother always went along with him just to keep the peace. It would also remind me that disobedience would end in a penalty .
I was nearer ten when it was decided that I would be dealt with similarly .
Mother explained to me that this was their decision for me to have to be present to see the boys get a spanking if it was needed for them and that they would sometimes have to be in the nude .
I suppose I was meant to look shocked but I knew that this would be be my opportunity to see what made the bulge in a boys swimming trunks .
Mother explained a bit about what boys had and I`m sure I would have tried to look disinterested .
But secretly I was really excited and hoped that soon they would do something naughty .
They both wore glasses but they were quite nice looking so I would try to imagine what their willies and balls might look like and their bums .
Great things to discuss with the girls at my school . Willies going hard was one subject and where and how they would enter was another point of interest .
I can remember the first occasion when the boys had to be disciplined . I tried to hide my excitement as the boys were lead into the lounge by their father .Mother and I followed .
Some crying and protests followed but two naked boys were soon standing facing their father waiting to be told to bend over ,revealing to all more of what I had seen in front .
The job at the school just came along . Any corporal punishment administered to boys would have been with Matron present . I did`nt see it being administered myself .

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Date Posted: 02:09:58 11/16/09 Mon

Marjorie,
of course, after your step-father's disciplinary methods, you never were shocked view of naked boys.

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Date Posted: 11:28:54 11/17/09 Tue

...hell, all she had to do to see a naked boy when she was young was to take off her clothes and look in a mirror...

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Date Posted: 18:51:58 11/17/09 Tue

Annual physical is scheduled for 12/4/2009. Time to get nude again for a complete checkup.

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Date Posted: 20:39:37 11/17/09 Tue

"Annual physical is scheduled for 12/4/2009. Time to get nude again for a complete checkup."

Just hope there won't be any female teachers or secretaries besides the nurse and doctor to watch.

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Date Posted: 05:04:15 11/18/09 Wed

On the opposite of other posters, I believe to the relation of "marjorie", I understand that she tries to stay very professional and not to express a feeling during the boy's physicals in the remand house or the boarding school;

Many details seems true but of course we can always doubt of a story in a discussion

I notice that she tries to avoid any situations too much incredible, for example when she was asked if other parents who were present for the examination of their son could also see an other boy examined naked for his yearly physicals in the boarding school, she answered no never, it was only the boy in front of the doctor and the nurse and his parents, which was enough awkward and is more credible.

I think to the boys who were aged over 14 until 15 or 16 and I must recognize that it was certainly very embarrassing for the most modest to be examined naked not only in front of medical persons but also of their parents, it was worse at that age to be nude in front of the mother and the father if both were there present for the examination than to be seen by a young nurse, at least it is my opinion but I am surprised that this rule of the presence of the parents was applied, it was certainly because it was a boarding school because it was (and it is still now) not frequent that the parents were invited by the schools authorities to attend to the examination of boys or girls, particularly the two parents, because one of them would have been good enough and I am still more surprised that they found the time to come to the schools?

I presume that the most frequent situation was nevertheless that only the mother was present even if the two parents were invited!

As regards the physicals during the process of induction of boys in the remand home, I am satisfied of the answers of "Marjorie" , I think that it was not fair to treat differently boys and girls because girls had an embarrasing examination too but nevertheless with a little more privacy, so it was a double standard, for boys an exam in group naked in plain view of each other was certainly considered as quite normal and was inspired by military manners while girls could not be treated like that, even if bad treated also.

I have read in books that it was also like that for boys in France in a recent past. The nudity was a part of the induction process and may be of the punishment.

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Date Posted: 05:36:33 11/18/09 Wed

I would tell also to some posters who seem to think that when women or young girls could assist a doctor for a physical examination of boys, it is a great pleasure for them who can enjoy at the view of a lot of naked boys that I am not convinced about that!

why?, because most of the boys who were examined were still very young, I don't believe that it is really exciting from a sexual point of view to see naked boys under than 16 age even if the older ones had obviously already their genitals developped during puberty, they are too young; and also because all boys are not good looking, all teenagers are not well developped as "Apollon", some are too fat, some are too thin, some have other imperfections, some have a lot of rashes, some have spots caused by acne, a group of boys is not an adult football team!

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Date Posted: 07:47:01 11/18/09 Wed

I think the girls and women present during these boys physicals would mostly be interested in their genitals and buttocks rather than the other physical characeristics you mntion. And this contradicts your previous post where you say that boys in their mid teens would be embarrassed in front of females during the nude exam. And I think many, if not most, girls and women find boys nude at that age more attractive than grown up males. One reason is that girls and women would be more embarrassed themselves in the presence of nude adult males. Another reason is that the female dominance factor would be out of place with an adult male who can complain or see through the female's intentions, which is not the case with boys during or below teen age. This situation could only be different when the adult male is forced to strip in front of females, as in prisons etc. where the men have no choice.

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Date Posted: 20:56:28 11/22/09 Sun

"I think the girls and women present during these boys physicals would mostly be interested in their genitals and buttocks rather than the other physical characeristics you mntion. And this contradicts your previous post where you say that boys in their mid teens would be embarrassed in front of females during the nude exam. And I think many, if not most, girls and women find boys nude at that age more attractive than grown up males. One reason is that girls and women would be more embarrassed themselves in the presence of nude adult males. Another reason is that the female dominance factor would be out of place with an adult male who can complain or see through the female's intentions, which is not the case with boys during or below teen age. This situation could only be different when the adult male is forced to strip in front of females, as in prisons etc. where the men have no choice". Larry you're right on the money with your post. I think thats why alot of female medical staff take advantage pediactric male patients.

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Larry
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Date Posted: 15:50:28 11/23/09 Mon

This is confirmed by many women who worked as nurses, both on this site and others, the latest one being Marjorie Saunders, who said their most enjoyable moments was when they made checkups, or were present, during checkups of teen boys in schools or special homes for boys.
In fact many of these nurses, including Saunders and several others, applied specifically to work in these boys schools or homes, undoubtedly because they found it erotic, the teen male physique is more appealing to them than adult males besides the dominance they have in these situations without feeling embarrassed.
So the above adult or middle age guys who think that nurses are turned on or impressed with your erections or shrinkages need to think it over. I know of very few nurses or female doctors who enjoy examining or 'handling' adult males as opposed to teenage ones.

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Date Posted: 23:13:50 11/23/09 Mon

Don't agree, Larry. It depends entirely on the woman.

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Date Posted: 18:36:52 07/27/12 Fri

I'm 12 and still hairless below when my mother's new female teaching clinic doc, maybe 35, comes on board. She gives my package a check each year, she has me flat on the table, stripped to my sox, and checks rotating each ball and lifting my c ck, then lifting by c ck AND globes, coming close to me that way-- About 1 foot away. Then she has has me stand and does the same thing,. She has my mother sitting there with a full view of my dong and ass as the doc puts on a glove and runs her finger up my hole, rotating a lot. I get a a big wood and then she has me stand facing my mother, who is looking right at my manhood. Well, I was still getting enemas from my mother at home, so its not entirely new. But having the doc standing there watching us both is a double kick while she checks my back, back of my thighs (insides, too) and each calf. God, I love it. If she wants to , touch me, feel me, and know my mother is watching, and they cause me to erect-- me then fine with me. What a turn on! I go home and dream about it for weeks!
One year my mother was in the hospital and could not come. So the doc has the nurse put me in a larger room and the nurse tells me to strip fully (no sox) and put on a gown (groan), but leave it untied.

I like being naked under a gown, but I'm sad the usual will not happen. Then the doc brings in seven student nurses and starts me flat on my stomach on the exam table. She flips open the gown, checks my back and feet, then has me get on my knees, with my head on the table. Ass in the air, and gown flopping from my arms on the table, she has all seven repeat her finger in the ass exam. Of course my package is hanging down right in front of these seven young newbie nurses, and I hear muffled giggles when the doc first tells them to put on gloves and examine my hole. She does not have to mention my c ck and globes hanging there, because I am pointed quite visible where they can see at my side and rear. But my c ck changes angles fast-- holds fast, stiff as when my mother and the doc were looking. So when the doc has me stand up, tells me to put the gown on the table--so she can put a stethiscope on my chest and back, --I am still pointing my thing and the wannabe nurses can see it all clearly. I know the doc is aware my thing is wooden, so she knows what these college age nursing students are gonna see--and by now she knows how they are going to react.
Right!
Stand up, giggles, One nursee doubles half way over at the sight of my stiff manhood pointing in her direction. Only thing better would be if they had to be examined by me.
Oh, well, I can't wait until I get into medical school. Meantime, next year, I'LL BE BACK with this doc for another nude physical. I hope there will be more nursing students, because they are even more interested than my mother, and I'm getting too old for her to be there, anyway ...........................

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Larry
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Date Posted: 08:09:55 11/18/09 Wed

Frenchie said
"I have read in books that it was also like that for boys in France in a recent past. The nudity was a part of the induction process and may be of the punishment."

I think it was the same or worse in America in these remand homes, where they are called juvenile detention centres or bootcamps. I have read that when the boys were taken in the induction room as they first enter the home or camp they are forced to strip nude for inspection in the presence of several females including secretaries and other office staff and maybe female guards and female administrators of the home. Most of these boys were teens and inducted and checked in groups. In one case I read they even invited college girls who were studying law and journalism at school two at a time to watch these inductions and other situations to see what went on in these institutions and how they were run. As you say humiliation is probably part of the punishment for these boys. And of course a treat for the girls.

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Charlie
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Date Posted: 22:45:55 05/15/12 Tue

When in doctors office or hospital---I just let them do what they need to do---male or female docs or nurses---I have never really suffered embarrassed-----Its their turf and so i just do what i am told and it goes fine----There a million guys that look like me---so no one would notice me for better or worse

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Roc
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Date Posted: 19:28:43 11/18/09 Wed

Never any female present, not even a nurse. Just my male doctor and me.

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Date Posted: 12:40:51 11/25/10 Thu

When my son was growing up i was in the room during his doctor appointments and physicals. His pediatrician was male, but did have a female nurse help.

It never occured to me to not be in there as i did it all of his life, and he never said anythiing to me.

He would keep his underware on during the entire physical. the second last thing was that he would get on the table and lay down for the doctor to check his abdomin and the nurse would remove his underware then.

After that he would get down off the table and the Dr. would check his privates. it didnt seem to be an issue...

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Date Posted: 16:29:27 11/25/10 Thu

Paula, up to what age were you present at his exams?
But one must not take this negatively, as most posters seem to do. Many boys prefer to have their mother or someone adukt close to them when having a medical exam because it makes them feel more secure, even at a teen age.
Also many doctors today require underage kids to be accampanied by an adult for legal reasons.

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Date Posted: 16:25:26 09/20/11 Tue

Until I was out of high school, my mother seemed to always have been present along with my sister and brother and somtimes my cousins and their mom.
My mother didn't seem to be paying much attention to my genitals as I recall, but my aunt did pay attention to both the boys as well as the girls.
She always seemed to have questions or comment about what the dr was doing as he felt here or there, poking or pressing a we lay on our backs. I remember her bringing attention to the ridge where the circumcision scar is several times, both mine as well as my cousin's which made whoever was exposed the center of attention.

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Date Posted: 06:31:22 03/18/13 Mon

When I was younger,I had a nude medical,but the worst bit was, I knew the nurse, we were at school together, she was very professional, but I had a massive boner, and was as red as a beetroot, standing infront of her naked, I've never been so embaressed in my entire life...

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Arthur
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Date Posted: 00:24:48 11/25/09 Wed

My younger, 10-year-old then, brother had worms. Doctor told that I had to be checked too. I was almost 16 then, and I protested very seriously, but for parents my protests weren't big deal. I had choice - mom's checking with scotch tape or previous dad's spanking and then checking. Of course, my answer was evident. Next morning, mom awoke me and made test with scotch tape. I was very embarrassed, because she didn't see me naked about 3 years, but for checking I had to be on the back with bent and spread legs with my anus and privates on display for mom. She calmed down me, but I was mortified.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 07:04:55 08/13/10 Fri

to "arthur"

it is obviously embarrasssing to have to expose like you your bare buttocks, anus and privates to a mother at 16 age but I read other posts about such situations, it could happened also in scout camps and it was worse to be forced to let the nurse camp look at you naked and do the check.

It was certainly in the past because I notice that you were threatened by your mother to receive a spank of your dad if you did not leave her do the check.

Today, I doubt that a teenager of 16 age can be spanked by his dad.

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Nick
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Date Posted: 11:40:22 08/08/10 Sun

I just arrived here and i know that these posts ended about almost a year ago but i did read this entire page with all its replies.Myself,i am curious why not this Marjorie Saunders avoided to answer about what kind of emotions and sexual feelings she(maybe is a he)had when she saw these young boys naked ! I saw that many people here asked her those questions but she never replied to them. Something is rotten" here !

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