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Date Posted: 09:08:15 02/13/10 Sat
Author: Dave to Joel
Subject: Re: Joel
In reply to: Joel to Dave 's message, "Re: Joel" on 06:55:33 02/11/10 Thu


> I understand if you can't get back right with me some
>of the time with your folks cruise coming up, etc.
>Perhaps Big Brother Rick can keep in more contact
>then, please? I just thought I'd ask.

Joel, right now probably the last thing you need is any further advice from Rick or I. You're a smart & athletic inclined young man of 18 & as Steve suggested, be that young man you are & relie on yourself and close buddies.

> Luke is still not talking to me and I've tried to
>reason with him, so has Kyle and Sean, so we are going
>to leave him to think things awhile I guess, and mayb
>come back to be as a Little Brother.

I don't understand either Joel, but hope it all works out ok. Guess I got hungup on this little brother stuff too & it felt good dude but Rick & I made some mistakes & realize it now.

Joel, I was never bucking to get your old man to paddle whip your ass nor Luke's. I can't say that maybe in some ways you both had it coming for thinks over past 2 months but that's history & best left alone. As Rick said, our interference has caused enough pain that was never intended & in ways beyond your ass cheeks.

> Big Brother I was kinda shocked that my dad called
>Luke's dad and him to come over, didn't even know they
>would be all he told me to not leave my room and he
>was gone maybe l5 mins. and my mind sure played mind
>games with me. Then later the door opens and walks in
>Luke with paddle in hand and his dad and then my dad
>and then sorting out McDonalds incident. I guess my
>dad called Luke's dad, not that I was lying to him,
>but he wanted to get the scoop maybe what to do about
>Luke he thought could have endangered me in the
>possible fighting. I wouldn't have done that, no sense
>in in, and that was public place, and I could have
>been in BIG trouble with Coach, benched, kicked off
>team, etc.

I guess I was shocked too when you & Luke told what happened. Did not think it would come to that. I can never recall our dad putting us in such a position. My opinion again, probably not now worth much, is both dads really handled this poorly.

> The l2 swats were more intense that my Dad gave me
>this time, and I felt everyone, including the "bite"
>from the holes of the paddle on my butt

Your dad obviously meant business & though the first time in December was real too, this time it was his love & care initiating rather than you Joel. Those holes do bite I recall even the times I had on Levis or briefs. Being bare, you for sure had 'red cherries' to wear that night.

> I made sure to register in my mind NOT to cry and
>didn't so show everyone that JOEL could take it, if
>anyone dad or Luke had second thoughts, and I didn't
>cry later dad's left either! That's not saying my
>little butt was as tough as yours or Rick's getting a
>second paddling from my dad or it was used to it by
>all means, but I guess its a start?

Joel, never think that Rick or I didn't bawl several times when dad blistered our little asses at home. I told myself, as you apparently told yourself, not to cry in front of buddies. Think if Luke & his dad were not there, your dad could've brought you to tears?

> I do not believe Luke and I could have said NO to
>our dad's when they wanted us to paddle each other. I
>believe we each would have gotten a paddling from
>dad's again, and then told again to paddle each other!

You're right probably with regards to a second paddling from your dads. One thing our dad wouldn't tolerate was deliberate disobedience or being defiant & only you can answer whether it would've been better to take another from dad or agree to take one from Luke.

Rick & I as you know did the trading swat games & dad never ask either of us to punish for real the other. If my dad thought my little ass deserved a whipping, I got it from him & if I needed a second one, he was more than capable & there was enough leather in his belt to whip tan my hide until the message damn clear. I still irony in the fact he paddled you for paddling Luke & then insisted you give Luke a paddling. How do you think you would've reacted if your dad had ask Luke's dad to paddle your ass for having paddled his boy?

> Big BRother, I just wanted to have a father/son talk
>with my dad to see if I did the right things when Luke
>put in the danger situation with that dude, how to
>avoid future ones, and I had no thoughts to get my dad
>to paddle me, it just happened.

Again, for what it's worth, I think talking to your dad was right. The paddling you ended up with is in question & the rift with Luke really sad. In a way Joel, the paddling just accounted for one or more you earned growing up...right?

> I hope your folks have a great cruise. They deserve
>time together. They are leaving the office in two
>capable hands of trust and you and Rick will do them
>proud and yourselfs.

They got away this morning & meeting up with mom's folks who are cruising with them. The six of us had a bon voyage dinner at a restaurant last night--call it Valentine's dinner early for our folks. Tonight its the fundraiser Valentine dinner/dance to help our seminarians studying for the priesthood & Mollie & I will join Rick & Jeanne & other friends. Mollie & I have private plans for Sunday. We'll stay busy no doubt next few weeks at office but I'll be damn if we'll let mom & dad down since they've never let us down.

> I had a interesting thing happen, a l0 yr. old boy
>came up to me with his mom and askefd for my
>autograph. Had bee following all season long, said he
>wanted to be like me when he gets in high school and
>play hoops, is right now in YMCA and soon when in
>Middle School. I encouraged him to get good grades and
>listen to his Coaches and he will do great. He loves
>my three point shot, and has taken photos of me during
>games, and was sorry I didn't play the two games when
>I told him I was in the hospital. He looked for me,
>said he didn't think hoop players got sick, and I had
>to reassure that we did sometimes, I told him I was
>human like him and he strugged, thought I was
>something special.

That's my Joel that I've come to know. See why now I chewed your ass some in the past? You are more capable & mature than some of those past stunts & pranks & even 10 year old boys look up to you. If the hospital stay was a surprise to him, he'd been dumb founded if he'd known the basketball shorts covered a recently paddled jock ass!! Ha Ha dude!!

> Speaking of my birthday, its like a cloud. Nobody
>hinting at anything for me, so it will be a mystery
>celebration. I've asked my mom and dad, "Oh, Joel, you
>have a birthday coming up?" Kyle is just as bad, and
>Sean too, so I'll play the birthday game with them and
>see what happens. I do have a basketball game that
>night to play, so everyone has to leave me some of my
>butt!

Sorry about grandparents. By Friday, your folks & buddies willl probably come through big time more than you even expect.

> Gotta a question, I'm hoping to see Holly sometime
>for my birthday, how does a guy get by with a
>girlfriend so she doesn't know a guy has been birthday
>spanked, to ask questions, etc.? I see in a post to
>Corey you mentioned in llth grade you GF inquired
>about your paddling, after she found out you got one I
>guess, how'd you do it man, did yo share details with
>her, etc. like your buddies? How should I act? I have
>pictured someone buddy birthday spanking me bare butt
>and in walks Holly for the show, what does a guy say
>out of embarrasment? Kyle jokes, Holly might be
>invited to the birthday spanking party, GEEZ!
> I wouldn't mind I guess she finding out, maybe, and
>allow her like your girlfriend to "pat" a little
>freshly spanked butt! Any advice,Big Brother?

Just act cool dude. It would be most unfair if Kyle or any of the guys brought Holly or any of their gf's to the party paddle line. Any guy that would do that to you would deserve a punch to knock out his lights or stripped butt naked as you & Luke were had the dorm as payback. No need to give big details as you would among guys but if she finds out just tell her your little butt needs some TLC & see if she wants to pat or put her hand in the back pocket of your levis to make it all better.

Joel, its not anything you or the other dudes did but Rick I know got burned in the Luke ordeal & feels bad. Maybe now is a time for us to back off awhile & leave you to work things out with buddies you hang with on team & at school. As Rick said in his message, maybe we took the big brother sentiment too far & needs reassessment after the hurt our advice has caused. If I don't get back before your birthday next Friday, do have a Happy Birthday Joel.

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