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Date Posted: 17:14:29 12/07/09 Mon
Author: David to Joel
Subject: Re: The Challenge...ARE YOU SURE?
In reply to: Joel to David 's message, "Re: The Challenge...ARE YOU SURE?" on 09:32:22 12/07/09 Mon

> Well he had a good time at the festival with our
>girls! Holly would like for me to come and watch her
>cheer her school team in basketball Friday night, we
>don't have our next game after opener Tues., Dec. 8
>until Saturday, night, Dec. l2, but with the mess
>about grandpa and I still have to tell and see what
>develops I couldn't say "YES" that I could attend and
>see her Friday.
> Hey this thing with Mollie, getting serious, huh?
>Good for your big brother, and make sure everything is
>right that needs to be in a commintment? Hey, who am
>I to give advice, I'm a little brother and you know
>more then me!

I'm happy for you & Hollie. You said at one time Hollie & some of her friends drove down to watch your game so if you plan to go Friday, I'd suggest game only & no stay over if mom/dad approve of you (maybe Kyle or someone go along) going & returning same night on the road. As for Mollie, Christmas may be special! Even little brothers come up with good ideas & suggestions. I've had years of experience in that role. Advice always welcome 'lil bro'.

> When my dad and I had the father/son talk before my
>paddling dad said about the same thing growing up with
>grandma and grandpa, so I guess no real abuse?

Glad to hear that. Read your full message when I saw posted & proud of you dude that you & dad connected & bonded. In truth now dude, was it what you expected? You think the paddle Kyle made has merit and if it had been around & used growing up, looking back, thing thinks in Joel's outlook & behavior would have been different? My first at 9 sure gave me a new outlook & with my dad having been so much on the road back then, a needed dad/son bonding emerged.

> Grandpa was quiet around me, didn't want to talk to
>me much. Fine, I didn't with him either! I guess I'm
>getting a little hateful towards him now, is that
>normal?

Perfectly normal Joel under circumstances. If it had been something you had done wrong, you would have accepted even the strap & pain & understood grandpa's love. Abusiveness breeds hate/anger.

> David, I hope your PADDLING is special like mine was.

Knowing it brought you & your dad even closer together in bond will make it worth it. I'll never forget my first & doubt you will either. Rick & I are close bros & trust he'll deal with my bare butt fairly & adequate. In fact, it has been too long since my britches have come down for a good ass paddling. I'm like you Joel, no saint, & could put together a list of good reasons too (over past 5-6 years) like you offered your dad. I'm getting a package of white briefs similar to what I wore as a kid & tell Rick to pull them down once I'm over his leg like dad did at age 9 and tan my bare bottom the same 17 you took.

> Now you do your part, present your bare butt in
>cooperation to Rick, and I sure hope you can take l7
>swats of the paddle?

Dude, my butt's no fragile glass so it won't break under 17. I did not count the licks at age 9 but dad whupped my little ass plenty that night...bare...and made me one sorry little dude for stealing & I survived. Rick & I have set our plan for Friday evening. Both are free & don't work Saturday.

> You have to do a separate post message like I did for
>the forum record to show like I did for my paddling
>for yours!

You're on dude...it will be there. Promise you 'lil bro', when you read my payoff on the challenge, you won't be disappointed.

> So you think my dad might want to reactivate the
>paddle some more in the future?

Possibly!! He found out Joel can take it, said he deserved & wanted it & after, your dad/son relationship richer due to it. What do you think Joel...keep it together or give dad the need to say again 'young man, enough talking, now get those jeans & underpants down'?

Another reason for Friday is that Rick & I got word last Saturday that our apt is scheduled for painting this week so we're going to be off-line & much of our stuff under plastic drop cloths a few days. Had dinner Sunday with mom & dad & they want us to bunk in our old room at their house rather than shift around painters. Seeing how you talked with your dad, maybe I'm overdue for a dad/son talk one evening. Those use to be awesome.

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