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Subject: You wrote a very interesting post Duane

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Don

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Date Posted: 09/16/04 1:06pm
In reply to: Duane 's message, "yep - profundities abound..." on 09/12/04 4:44am

Yeah - that's a doozy. My opinion is that math is a construct of the human mind.
But the interesting part of all this is that set theory and the concept of 'classes'
(which is part of the more complicated way we now define set theory) are efforts to
ground mathematics in the "real" world.
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You wrote a very interesting post Duane. This is what stuck with the most interest.

How do we know what counting is? Because we can picture mental symboles that
are abstracts of reasoning? That is very interesting. I once wrote a post-- "Can Bears Add?"

Well let see what happens when 3 dogs fights a bear. The bear kills all 3 does he
still swing wild like in the air as if there is a fouth dog? If the bear kills one dog
do the other two disapear? Perhaps counting is not limited to
human after all as it is only a matter of degrees. We have plenty examples of amimals
counting in a limited form "IF" we make some asumtions. But then I am told
by Russel and Godel that even math is based on asumtions. So amimals make asumtions
if they can count?

I like your example of bears going in and out of the cave..we make asumtions for safty
before we enter and we can exspress that in the form of counting...don't screw up as
the one bear left does not give a damn if you can count or not so reality rules and
math be damned but math is a help only. That is why I say math can not prove a god
but rather math is only reasoning based on asumtions. So god is an asumtion? It would seem so.
So people worship asumtions--yes it would seem so.

If math is based on asumtions and reasoning, or a mental fuction
how could it ever be grounded in the physical world? Yes the thoughts are real
but how these thoughts are applied can be in great error. Why? Because we do not know it all.
Try to get a theist to say that when they claim god did every thing. So they
claim they know it all and math does not lie? What a joke. They can go into the
dark cave first then. They may be right they may be wrong.

To measure something
is a consept based on a standard of comparing, and we only imagine
points from what to meaure from. So I still can't see how math in
any way can show a god. Do we asume a god can count because we do? Or
a god loves because we do? If so then it seems beyound doubt people are
making their own god asuming such a god would be as they.

If a god exist why would he have to be like a man? It sounds like people are puffing them
self up way beyond measure and then they are told to be humble?-- A total imposibility
of living a conflict and hypocricy.

So thiest say a god is real and they have math to prove it. Great then show me the
points from what they measured from and when they fail lets call their failure "spiritual".
Yeah it is spiritual failure all right. What is spiritual is more like
a garbage can of asumtions. How would any one know a god if they saw one
much less show a god that can count. This will be fun-- "Hey god, add one more number please."--
as I need to test out gods counting ability. We both can play this game if such a god exist.
Just like I thought a god counts like a man and man is no god, we are by far to limited.
And that does not mean a god exist because we are limited.

Don

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Subject	Author	Date
Thanks!	Duane	09/17/04 5:55am