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Date Posted: 11/10/01 9:54pm
In reply to:
PAUL.
's message, "A further reply to Fitzgerald on behalf of Jehovahs Witnessess!" on 11/ 9/01 9:51pm
Paul,
I'm not sure what you expect the average person on our message board to say in response to this message. To me, it doesn't beg a lot of responses. That doesn't mean we're not reading it, as Don has informed you.
Another problem is that, although I know you wish you could change this, it is simply hard to read one big paragraph of words. It would be preferable if you could divide your messages into several paragraphs. When I see a message that looks like this, my instinct is to go on to another message. My brain just doesn't process so much connected information very well.
In any event, sometimes when you post a new thread, you may not get responses. That doesn't mean people aren't reading your posts. They may not have anything to say. On the other hand, I'm sure not every person reads every single post. So there may be people who really haven't read it. This is life on the message board. I will make a few responses to your message, but I really don't get into Bible debates too much, as I do not feel the Bible is anything special, beyond an interesting religious book.
>I'll start with the hardest subjects blood
>transfusions,Mr F relates a somewhat distorted version
>of the experiences of a young Jehovahs witness couple
>and their child.This couple in light of Bible teaching
>believe that blood transfussions where against GODS
>laws,GEN9*4,LEV7*24,17*24 and ACTS15*20. So they
>extended their parental rights to ask fornon blood
>alternative treatments (which there are several),and
>these alternatives alsohave less chance of
>complications.Let me make this point with an
>illustration,"Two Jehovahs witnessess are in hospital
>both are told they need blood transfusions,one has the
>blood,one doesnt,both of them die.The one who had the
>transfusion 'WOULD HAVE DIED ANYWAY',The one who didnt
>'DIED BECAUSE HE DIDNT HAVE BLOOD'.Now I challenge
>anyone to say that wouldnt be how theyd think."(I dont
>think like that I should add)
I'm really not sure what your point is here. First of all, I think you're assuming that everyone read every word of John Fitzgerald's messages. In reality, I suspect most people didn't. Because you are a Jehovah's Witness, you are hyper-sensitive about that issue, but the rest of us aren't. I didn't pay any more attention to his JW thread than I did to his FreeMason thread. I skimmed all of them, but didn't have time to read them in-depth.
On the issue of blood transfusions, if a religion prohibits people from having them, I think this is morally wrong. It is not fair for parents to prohibit their children from medical care. I do not believe that kids _belong_ to parents. I think that kids are the responsibility of a society. Therefore, I also do not agree with parents' "right" to take their children out of mainstream society and teach them all sorts of religious doctrines in the place of science and other things that they will need to know to have a fair shot at being happy, successful members of society. But I digress.
No people, including children, are the property of another person. So if the doctrine really is not to allow transfusions, I think it is wrong. If that is not the belief, you can correct me.
>Onto
>politics we believe that GODS Kingdom(or goverment)
>under Christs leadership is the only answer to the
>worlds troubles,so we do not vote,hold political
>office,salute the flagor sing the national anthem.Are
>these major crimes or just JWS exerting their right to
>Christian neutrality.
I think it is a person's right not to vote or salute the flag. Simply put, though, if you do not vote, you are not exercising your freedom to choose a candidate. So if you get one you don't like, it is your own fault.
On the issue of the flag and anthem...if you don't value the freedom we have in this country and the price at which it was bought, you are destined to lose that freedom.
>ACTS5*29 says we must obey GOD as
>ruler rather than men. On the other hand we pay our
>taxes,MAR12*17"Pay Caesars things to caesar" Obey
>the laws of the land,ROM13*1 "Let everyone be in
>subjection to the superior authorities" and this is
>true in every country you find JWS.Nowe dont join the
>military,because we believe in peace and love(You know
>JF ,JESUS often talked about them) not in being
>trained to kill our fellow man.
I remember Jesus also saying he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword.
>No we
>dont smoke it defiles the body.
I think not smoking is smart.
> Wedont celebrate
>pagan holiday like xmas and easter but we do
>commemorate JESUS death as JESUS instructed his
>disciples ,LUK22*19. We dont adhere to days
>celebrating men and not GOD.
That is certainly your right here in America, where you have the freedom to do as you wish, due to the many lives which have been lost protecting you and your freedom. If you are unwilling to fight or honor the country you are in, you may soon find yourself in a situation in which you will no longer have religious freedom.
>Now at one JF suggested that the JW governing body
>where making fortunes,has anybody on board spoke to
>JWs on the door lately? If you do youll find all books
>and magazines and Bibles are FREE.Their really gonna
>make a lotof money that way. How much does your church
>charge Mr F? So if Mr Fitzgerald comespreaching in
>your area hit him with your Bible.(Truths) more to
>come.
I think you're taking the John Fitzgerald issue too seriously, at this point. As I said, he is just a fundamentalist Christian who thinks he has all the answers. We get them from time to time around here. By focusing so much energy on him, you are giving him more power than he should have. Just relax... people may read his posts, but no one is taking his words regarding JW's or anything else as gospel truth. Just keep being the nice guy you are and don't take him so seriously. Trust me, spending a lot of energy on something like this will leave you later wondering why you did (I know from experience).
Ben
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