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Subject: No they don't. Author: Wade A. Tisthammer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 03/13/04 4:28pm In reply to: Damoclese 's message, "yes they do" on 03/13/04 2:55pm >>>1. God is the greatest possible being. >>>2. There can be no being greater than God. >>>3. An imaginary being is less great than one that is >>>both imagined and real. >>>4. Being the greatest possible being necessitates >that >>>it at least be both imaginable, and real. >>>5. Nothing is a state of not being. >>>6. Nothing is both imaginable and real. >>>7. God must be the greater nothing. >>>8. Being the greater nothing means at least an >>>imaginable and real state of not being. >>>9. Therefore, being the greatest nothing, there is no >>>God. >>>Else: "Nothing" has greater existence than God. >> >>It sounds like a variation of the ontological >>argument, but we have a problem. Lines 7 and 9 don't >>seem to logically follow from any of the previous >>premises (it would help if you listed which premises >>you believed the conclusion derives from). > >Premise 2 begets premise seven. Premise 2 doesn't imply that God is any sort of nothing, though it does imply that God is greater than nothing. >Premise 9 is backed by premise 7, which is in turn >backed by premise 2. Premise 7 is an invalid deduction, so premise 9 is left without support. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date shakes head Damoclese 03/13/04 7:26pm Non sequitur -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/13/04 10:31pm But it isn't. -- Damoclese, 03/14/04 8:01am Oh yes it is. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/15/04 12:15pm It's there -- Damoclese, 03/15/04 4:50pm Non-being is the lowest form of being, not the greatest. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/15/04 8:05pm er -- damoclese, 03/15/04 9:27pm Err -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/15/04 10:38pm A kingdom for a set -- Damoclese, 03/16/04 7:31am Lack of coherency. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/17/04 3:26pm The un cola -- Damoclese, 03/17/04 7:30pm The un cola -- Damoclese, 03/17/04 7:31pm 7up. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/18/04 9:47am Blinded by the light -- Damoclese, 03/18/04 1:43pm Blinded by overzealous emotion. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/19/04 10:09am This is how it seems to me -- Ben, 03/19/04 11:18am You're right you ragamuffin -- Damoclese, 03/19/04 12:56pm Logic terminology. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/20/04 1:09pm Strongly doesn't equally emotionally -- Damoclese, 03/19/04 12:52pm But strongly emotional does. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/20/04 1:34pm I guess you even know what I'm thinking -- Damoclese, 03/20/04 6:54pm Not necessarily. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 03/20/04 9:56pm