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Subject: Natural Laws


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Damoclese
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Date Posted: 03/ 3/02 6:00pm
In reply to: Primordial 's message, "nature and justice" on 03/ 3/02 4:52pm

> I would argue that you brought in the idea of
>conventional law to govern this "nature-like" anology.
>You ask, "Is that justice?" But justice from what
>point of view? That this person with the bread will
>now die?

Well, one argument that might help clear that up is that even without man made laws to intervene, it seems that creatures if they help another creature, and are not then helped by that creature feel that they've been wronged. here I'm speaking primarily of chimpanzees, though I'm sure it holds true for members of the gorilla family. This can be seen often when one member helps another in a fight, and if that one fails to help later on, then the one that didn't get help will often get into a fight with the one it helped.

I think this demonstrates an important point; and that is that it is very difficult to say at what point something is distinctly a natural law, and distinctly a conventional law. In one sense, all conventional laws derive from nature, all be it a mutable nature.

>
> What do you think about the appeal to a natural
>law, above a civil law, to justify the murder of
>abortion clinic workers/doctors?

I really don't find any sort of justification for killing abortion workers very suitable. As I've implied in my other posts, I don't think a human being has anymore right to life simply by being human than a guppy does who develops consciousness more quickly.

It would be one thing if abortion workers were forcing people to come into their offices, and yanking bloody fetus's out of women while the women where staunchly against it, but this isn't the case. The women who are there want abortions of their own choice, and I cannot see any reason to say they are wrong for choosing to end their pregnancy.

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and these words on natural law......Primordial03/ 4/02 8:51pm


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