Subject: Whoa, I didn't think a sane beast (me :) and an insane beast ('Guir) could agree..or am I sane? |
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Date Posted: 14:25:42 04/04/01 Wed
In reply to:
Emperor Anguirus
's message, "Bravo Alihja! Thats exactly how I see it." on 14:12:33 04/04/01 Wed
>>Hello everyone, I decided to get myself over here an'
>>debate.
>>
>>The gun control issue is mixed, because human society
>>is so complex. People use guns for varied reasons:
>>hunting, protection, and in the case of thieves,
>>rapists, murderers, and wackos, to hurt other people.
>>Hunting, I see no reason for anymore. No one lives
>>that far away from human civilization that they can't
>>go buy food. Sport killing bugs the hell out of me
>>too. But, that's a moral issue that No One will Ever
>>agree on. The only reason people use guns for
>>protection is because there are other people out there
>>(thieves, rapists, murderers, wackos, etc.) that can
>>hurt them with other guns.
>>
>>As for the whole little kids shooting themselves or
>>others, I do not think that all children that hurt
>>themselves or others with a gun live in a drug den.
>>So, Checkerpaw, I disagree with you Completely on that
>>point. What if that little six-year-old is the child
>>of one of those people who keeps a gun for protection
>>against all the baddies out there? My dad has a gun in
>>the house, but I certainly don't live in a
>>bug-infested, crack-snorting household. It's in an
>>easily opened drawer right at toddler level. And guess
>>what, I never touched the thing, 'cause my dad was
>>smart enough to educate me about it. And I go to
>>public school, just to let you know, since Checks
>>seems to have a problem with it.
>>
>>I think the key to the problem in those cases are the
>>parents not being educated enough to educate their
>>children! Why was there not a safety lock on it? Why
>>was it Loaded? As Guir said, you have as much chance
>>of getting hit by lightning than having to use a gun
>>to protect yourself. The gun should not have been
>>loaded. Therefore, we need gun education programs to
>>show people how to use and properly stow a gun in
>>their home. But most of those programs are minimal,
>>since our (the U.S.) government does not like having
>>to worry about gun control issues. Please, do not get
>>me started on all the problems our government has with
>>pushing major issues away until it's a Real problem.
>>We need tougher gun programs, that show parents and
>>children alike the horrors of misusing a gun. All of
>>you might be out there saying, "The children shouldn't
>>have to watch that! They're too young!". Well, they're
>>going to be seeing a hell of a lot more if they
>>actually do get involved in a shooting. Better to
>>learn from the mistakes of others than making that
>>same mistake yourself.
>>
>>Gun registration has its ups and downs too. Yeah,
>>sure, it seems pointless, since criminals are going to
>>get a gun no matter what. But it does keep tabs on
>>most of the guns out there. Not Everyone is a
>>criminal. Which scenario would you rather have, one
>>where most of the guns are kept in check or one where
>>the government has no idea where any of the guns that
>>they put out there are?
>>
>>And I believe that the Second Ammendment, the right of
>>the people to bear arms, was created in part because
>>of the war. Often times, the militias weren't fast
>>enough when trying to beat back British soldiers when
>>they went on a burning rampage. So, the villagers back
>>then had a need to arm themselves, since there wasn't
>>a real police force or big army that could keep
>>Britain on its side of the ocean. The only reason the
>>Second Ammendment wasn't scrapped after the
>>Revolutionary War is because our government hates
>>getting rid of anything our forefathers wrote down. By
>>the Rev. War era, people were used to owning guns and
>>knowing the stubborn nature of our predecessors, no
>>one would've given up that right. And so the problem
>>has grown...
>>
>>I don't think anyone could say that there's a "fix
>>all" solution and back it up with proof. This issue
>>will not be solved in one, smooth stroke as many
>>politicians would hope for. For crime to be completely
>>gone is an impossibility. The general public must
>>understand the human psyche to know that that will
>>Never happen. But for it to be lowered, that's
>>possible. First, you have to want to do it. But, the
>>majority of people out there don't want to have to
>>sacrafice anything to get want they want. The American
>>stubborness resurfaces... So, when people finally
>>learn that this is a problem to be dealt with, they've
>>got to take it step by step. Sure, it's gonna cause
>>other problems along the way, especially with
>>numskulls like those over at the NRA, but that's
>>unavoidable. You can't please everyone, so don't try,
>>is my motto. That'll just get you stuck in the middle
>>and everybody will hate you. Americans are the master
>>compromisers. We, as a country, have to figure out
>>what is best for the whole, not a certain percent or
>>majority, and then act on it.
>>
>>But will that ever happen? Who knows... Americans
>>today are stubborn and selfish in some way or other
>>(hey, I'm not a basher! I'm an American and proud of
>>it!) and are often divided by sectionalism. They want
>>what's best for what they believe in and couldn't give
>>a rat's ass about anyone else.
>>
>>(On a side note: The whole Chinese thing is a complete
>>embarrassment. We're just making ourselves look more
>>stupid by not apologizing. What's the point of saying,
>>"Don't look around in our plane! That's ours!", when
>>if that had happened over here, we'd have searched
>>that thing inside and out before the Chinese could
>>blink. Let's stop beating around the bush [if you'll
>>excuse the pun; I couldn't resist whacking on
>>Georgie-boy] and get this over with!)
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