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Date Posted: 12:49:26 04/05/01 Thu
In reply to:
Alihja
's message, "The whole gun control thing" on 14:06:11 04/04/01 Wed
>Hello everyone, I decided to get myself over here an'
>debate.
>
>The gun control issue is mixed, because human society
>is so complex. People use guns for varied reasons:
>hunting, protection, and in the case of thieves,
>rapists, murderers, and wackos, to hurt other people.
>Hunting, I see no reason for anymore. No one lives
>that far away from human civilization that they can't
>go buy food. Sport killing bugs the hell out of me
>too. But, that's a moral issue that No One will Ever
>agree on. The only reason people use guns for
>protection is because there are other people out there
>(thieves, rapists, murderers, wackos, etc.) that can
>hurt them with other guns.
So do you think fishing is wrong, too?
>
>As for the whole little kids shooting themselves or
>others, I do not think that all children that hurt
>themselves or others with a gun live in a drug den.
>So, Checkerpaw, I disagree with you Completely on that
>point. What if that little six-year-old is the child
>of one of those people who keeps a gun for protection
>against all the baddies out there? My dad has a gun in
>the house, but I certainly don't live in a
>bug-infested, crack-snorting household. It's in an
>easily opened drawer right at toddler level. And guess
>what, I never touched the thing, 'cause my dad was
>smart enough to educate me about it. And I go to
>public school, just to let you know, since Checks
>seems to have a problem with it.
That is the one thing about gun education. It should be done by the parents, not by the goverment. Parents who have guns need to tell their kids about the dangers, and what will happen if they get caught playing it.
Another thing is called responsibility and maturity.
>
>I think the key to the problem in those cases are the
>parents not being educated enough to educate their
>children! Why was there not a safety lock on it? Why
>was it Loaded? As Guir said, you have as much chance
>of getting hit by lightning than having to use a gun
>to protect yourself. The gun should not have been
>loaded. Therefore, we need gun education programs to
>show people how to use and properly stow a gun in
>their home. But most of those programs are minimal,
>since our (the U.S.) government does not like having
>to worry about gun control issues. Please, do not get
>me started on all the problems our government has with
>pushing major issues away until it's a Real problem.
>We need tougher gun programs, that show parents and
>children alike the horrors of misusing a gun. All of
>you might be out there saying, "The children shouldn't
>have to watch that! They're too young!". Well, they're
>going to be seeing a hell of a lot more if they
>actually do get involved in a shooting. Better to
>learn from the mistakes of others than making that
>same mistake yourself.
Parents not being educated enough to educate their children? You think beurocrats thousands of miles away can do a better job?
About trigger locks: They defeat the purpose. I read about one sen. who, during a press conference was asked to demonstrate how a trigger lock works. It took him over FIVE MINUTES for him to get the thing off.
>
>Gun registration has its ups and downs too. Yeah,
>sure, it seems pointless, since criminals are going to
>get a gun no matter what. But it does keep tabs on
>most of the guns out there. Not Everyone is a
>criminal. Which scenario would you rather have, one
>where most of the guns are kept in check or one where
>the government has no idea where any of the guns that
>they put out there are?
It keeps tabs on guns that DON'T need tabs on them. So what is the point of it then> Sounds suspiciously like a police state. And why does the goverment need to know whether my parents have a gun? Most guns are ALREADY in check, and gun regristration will do NOTHING about those that AREN'T in check.
>
>And I believe that the Second Ammendment, the right of
>the people to bear arms, was created in part because
>of the war. Often times, the militias weren't fast
>enough when trying to beat back British soldiers when
>they went on a burning rampage. So, the villagers back
>then had a need to arm themselves, since there wasn't
>a real police force or big army that could keep
>Britain on its side of the ocean. The only reason the
>Second Ammendment wasn't scrapped after the
>Revolutionary War is because our government hates
>getting rid of anything our forefathers wrote down. By
>the Rev. War era, people were used to owning guns and
>knowing the stubborn nature of our predecessors, no
>one would've given up that right. And so the problem
>has grown...
Oh for crying out loud. What about what Thomas Jefferson said?
>
>I don't think anyone could say that there's a "fix
>all" solution and back it up with proof. This issue
>will not be solved in one, smooth stroke as many
>politicians would hope for. For crime to be completely
>gone is an impossibility. The general public must
>understand the human psyche to know that that will
>Never happen. But for it to be lowered, that's
>possible. First, you have to want to do it. But, the
>majority of people out there don't want to have to
>sacrafice anything to get want they want. The American
>stubborness resurfaces... So, when people finally
>learn that this is a problem to be dealt with, they've
>got to take it step by step. Sure, it's gonna cause
>other problems along the way, especially with
>numskulls like those over at the NRA, but that's
>unavoidable. You can't please everyone, so don't try,
>is my motto. That'll just get you stuck in the middle
>and everybody will hate you. Americans are the master
>compromisers. We, as a country, have to figure out
>what is best for the whole, not a certain percent or
>majority, and then act on it.
>
>But will that ever happen? Who knows... Americans
>today are stubborn and selfish in some way or other
>(hey, I'm not a basher! I'm an American and proud of
>it!) and are often divided by sectionalism. They want
>what's best for what they believe in and couldn't give
>a rat's ass about anyone else.
Um ,yes. American's are stubborn. About our FREEDOM. And our SAFETY. And don't call the NRA numbskulls.
>
>(On a side note: The whole Chinese thing is a complete
>embarrassment. We're just making ourselves look more
>stupid by not apologizing. What's the point of saying,
>"Don't look around in our plane! That's ours!", when
>if that had happened over here, we'd have searched
>that thing inside and out before the Chinese could
>blink. Let's stop beating around the bush [if you'll
>excuse the pun; I couldn't resist whacking on
>Georgie-boy] and get this over with!)
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