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Date Posted: 09:29:22 04/20/03 Sun
Author: CZar
Subject: Re: Keep in mind..
In reply to: Ramfan 's message, "Re: Keep in mind.." on 00:50:27 04/20/03 Sun

> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
Soph year = All MAAC

MAAC is a much better league then the AE!


That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>Czar.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>to
>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year and
>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>have
>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as a
>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>for
>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- AE Phanatic, 09:55:06 04/20/03 Sun

Com'on Czar. Lets get to reality here. Your logic is flawed based on the fact that all-conference teams are a subjective process -- the best players aren't always on the team. His stats are inflated because they had no other options.

He's a good player from a shitty team!


>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>Soph year = All MAAC
>
>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>
>
>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>Czar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>to
>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year and
>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>have
>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>a
>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>for
>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Reality is - AE Phanatic -- Patch, 12:27:57 04/20/03 Sun

Jordan is a very good player especially for the AE.
A 2000pt scorer in HS and a McDonald's All American Nominee.
The MAAC(RPI 16) is a much higher rated conference than the AE(RPI 25).
Jordan was All Rookie Team as a frosh and 3rd team All Conference as a Soph.. This is a higher level 10 team conference whic means he's in the top 15 players, (or 20) if you don't like how they choose All Conference.
He's 6'2"-200lbs plays good "D" and will be teamed in a backcourt with Jamar Wilson who's not bad. This could be a very effective backcourt in the AE.
With that said I think he is very god for Albany, how good we'll have to wait and see.
Don't dispell his ability because he was on a weak team.

>Com'on Czar. Lets get to reality here. Your logic is
>flawed based on the fact that all-conference teams are
>a subjective process -- the best players aren't always
>on the team. His stats are inflated because they had
>no other options.
>
>He's a good player from a shitty team!
>
>
>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>
>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>
>>
>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>>Czar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>>to
>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>and
>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>have
>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>>a
>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>for
>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- czar, 12:52:00 04/20/03 Sun

>MAAC is a much better league! Not even close!


Com'on Czar. Lets get to reality here. Your logic is
>flawed based on the fact that all-conference teams are
>a subjective process -- the best players aren't always
>on the team. His stats are inflated because they had
>no other options.
>
>He's a good player from a shitty team!
>
>
>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>
>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>
>>
>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>>Czar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>>to
>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>and
>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>have
>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>>a
>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>for
>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind..- CZAR -- Patch, 13:18:20 04/20/03 Sun

There are alot (probably 15 or so) 6th, 7th and 8th men on MAAC rosters that would be starters in the AE.

>>MAAC is a much better league! Not even close!
>
>
>Com'on Czar. Lets get to reality here. Your logic is
>>flawed based on the fact that all-conference teams are
>>a subjective process -- the best players aren't always
>>on the team. His stats are inflated because they had
>>no other options.
>>
>>He's a good player from a shitty team!
>>
>>
>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>
>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>
>>>
>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>vintage
>>>>Czar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>decided
>>>>to
>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>and
>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>have
>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>as
>>>a
>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>>for
>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind..- CZAR -- Czar, 14:15:14 04/20/03 Sun

>He averaged 13ppg as a frosh in the MAAC. He lit up Rutgers and Siena his Frosh year. Look at the bums that transfer to the AE. Udo, Markwook, guy's like that. Parker was very good and Marcus "Right Hook" Barnes will be aweswome. Jordan will average 15-18 per game as a junior!!!


There are alot (probably 15 or so) 6th, 7th and 8th
>men on MAAC rosters that would be starters in the AE.
>
>>>MAAC is a much better league! Not even close!
>>
>>
>>Com'on Czar. Lets get to reality here. Your logic is
>>>flawed based on the fact that all-conference teams
>are
>>>a subjective process -- the best players aren't
>always
>>>on the team. His stats are inflated because they had
>>>no other options.
>>>
>>>He's a good player from a shitty team!
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>
>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>gaudy
>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>vintage
>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>decided
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>and
>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>AE
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- czar, 13:57:16 04/20/03 Sun

>Jerell Parker of Hartford couldn't get any run at his previous school in the Horizon League which is another league inferior to the MAAC. His #'s stunk and his minutes were limited. He transfers to Hartford in the AE and makes 1st Team All AE! Jordan is at least as good as Parker!!!! He has more diversity offensively then Parker!!



Com'on Czar. Lets get to reality here. Your logic is
>flawed based on the fact that all-conference teams are
>a subjective process -- the best players aren't always
>on the team. His stats are inflated because they had
>no other options.
>
>He's a good player from a shitty team!
>
>
>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>
>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>
>>
>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>>Czar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>>to
>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>and
>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>have
>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>>a
>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>for
>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- Ramfan, 15:53:00 04/20/03 Sun

You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not THAT much of a higher level.

What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have been inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example: when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he transferred to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a better team in a comparable league. So take these numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I think Jordan is a nice pick-up.


>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>Soph year = All MAAC
>
>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>
>
>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>Czar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>to
>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year and
>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>have
>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>a
>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>for
>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- czar, 16:16:23 04/20/03 Sun

> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford. Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham, and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won 7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better? Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the AE!!!


You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>THAT much of a higher level.
>
> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have been
>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he transferred
>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I think
>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>
>
>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>
>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>
>>
>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>>Czar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>>to
>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>and
>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>have
>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>>a
>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>for
>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- Ramfan, 19:41:34 04/20/03 Sun

Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had injury problems, he has not been hurt for the entirety of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the impact some might have expected based on the numbers he put up at William and Mary.

Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions have been well documented on this board.

Parker was generally regarded as a player who could have played at a higher level than a mid-major. Jordan was not. He also came from a conference that is even better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.

UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a prospect says these schools were interested does NOT mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For someone who purports to be up on the recruiting scene, you should know this. A phone call to a player exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is a far cry from actually extending a scholarship offer. I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very skeptical about the other two schools.


>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford.
>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he
>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All
>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the AE!!!
>
>
>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>
>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have been
>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he transferred
>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I think
>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>
>>
>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>
>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>
>>>
>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>vintage
>>>>Czar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>decided
>>>>to
>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>and
>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>have
>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>as
>>>a
>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>>for
>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.Ramfan -- Patch, 20:11:22 04/20/03 Sun

Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to Manhattan is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from a weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only played 17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6 pt scorer.

Jordan is a quality player who is better physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.

How he will play in the AE we have to wait another year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2 years is atleast - very promising.
> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the entirety
>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>he put up at William and Mary.
>
> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions have
>been well documented on this board.
>
> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>have played at a higher level than a mid-major. Jordan
>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>
> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting scene,
>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship offer.
>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>skeptical about the other two schools.
>
>
>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford.
>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he
>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All
>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>AE!!!
>>
>>
>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>
>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>been
>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>transferred
>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>think
>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>
>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>gaudy
>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>vintage
>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>decided
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>and
>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>AE
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.Ramfan -- Ramfan, 20:54:34 04/20/03 Sun

I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up. Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and never really had the impact he might have been projected to have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm talking about his performance during all three years, including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I think calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral move is very accurate.

Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated. Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of that.

As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or heard proof of this.





>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to Manhattan
>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from a
>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only played
>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6 pt
>scorer.
>
>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>
>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>years is atleast - very promising.
>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the entirety
>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>
>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions have
>>been well documented on this board.
>>
>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major. Jordan
>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>
>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting scene,
>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship offer.
>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>
>>
>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford.
>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he
>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All
>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>AE!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>
>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>been
>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>example:
>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>transferred
>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>think
>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>
>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>have
>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>gaudy
>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>addition,
>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>vintage
>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>decided
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>and
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>>as
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>AE
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.Ramfan - Fine -- Patch, 21:15:02 04/20/03 Sun

I totally disagree but I respect your opinion. As a soph eligibility wise Jackette avg. 11.5 and started 26 games. Along comes Flores at the same size 6'2" from the Big East and down goes Jackette's role. Still has been a captain for past 2 seasons with numerous health issues.
Any good 6'2" would have their numbers chopped up if a player of Flores magnitude was brought in, Twice a 1st Team All Conference player. Don't be to thick headed to realize that. I feel Jackettes situation is unique, his numbers weren't due to his lack of ability it was due to one of the best players in the "East" coming in and taking over.
Rationalize all you want but I have to respectfully disagree with your logic.

> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and never
>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>talking about his performance during all three years,
>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I think
>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>move is very accurate.
>
> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>that.
>
> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>heard proof of this.
>
>
>
>
>
>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to Manhattan
>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from a
>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only played
>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6 pt
>>scorer.
>>
>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>
>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>entirety
>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>
>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>have
>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>
>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>Jordan
>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>
>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>scene,
>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>offer.
>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>Hartford.
>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>he
>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>All
>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>AE!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>Let's
>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>not
>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>been
>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>example:
>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>transferred
>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>think
>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>have
>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>addition,
>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>decided
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>year
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>and
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>in
>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>ROOKIE
>>>>as
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>>AE
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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You don't have to agree with me, but I believe, in principle, that we are talking about similar situations. Jackette wasn't likely going to put up big numbers, but it seemed like he was going to have a bigger impact. That never really happened. Then along came Flores, and his role decreased. Still, he could have earned more playing time alongside Flores and Greene had he been more consistent. Even as a senior, I thought he was too foul-prone and inconsistent to be really effective.

Again, this is about hyperbole, and while you seem more reasonable than the Czar, there is too much hyping of Albany players on this board. I don't buy it. Again, Jordan is a nice pick-up, but I believe his numbers were inflated by playing on a 300+ RPI team.

Flores is a nice player, but again, this is the MAAC, not the Big East. He probably would have had a decent career in the Big East had he stayed at Rutgers, but went to a lesser conference, and put up big numbers. A nice player, but he also took a lot of shots and was their focal point on offense. It would have been interesting to see him in the Big East, because his flaws would have been magnified. One of the best in the East? Maybe, but not of the caliber of a Hatten or a Troy Bell.


>I totally disagree but I respect your opinion. As a
>soph eligibility wise Jackette avg. 11.5 and started
>26 games. Along comes Flores at the same size 6'2"
>from the Big East and down goes Jackette's role. Still
>has been a captain for past 2 seasons with numerous
>health issues.
>Any good 6'2" would have their numbers chopped up if a
>player of Flores magnitude was brought in, Twice a 1st
>Team All Conference player. Don't be to thick headed
>to realize that. I feel Jackettes situation is unique,
>his numbers weren't due to his lack of ability it was
>due to one of the best players in the "East" coming in
>and taking over.
>Rationalize all you want but I have to respectfully
>disagree with your logic.
>
>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and never
>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I think
>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>move is very accurate.
>>
>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>that.
>>
>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>heard proof of this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>Manhattan
>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>a
>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only played
>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6 pt
>>>scorer.
>>>
>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>
>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>entirety
>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>
>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>have
>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>
>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>could
>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>Jordan
>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>
>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>a
>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>scene,
>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>is
>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>offer.
>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>Hartford.
>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>Fordham,
>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>he
>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>All
>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>he
>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>won
>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>Let's
>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>not
>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>been
>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>example:
>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>Mary
>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>transferred
>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>a
>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>think
>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>have
>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>year
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>and
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>in
>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>ROOKIE
>>>>>as
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>ALL
>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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Jordan this past season-- 40% from the field, 30% from three, less than a 1 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. He'll help, no doubt. But the All-America East predictions are way premature.



> You don't have to agree with me, but I believe, in
>principle, that we are talking about similar
>situations. Jackette wasn't likely going to put up big
>numbers, but it seemed like he was going to have a
>bigger impact. That never really happened. Then along
>came Flores, and his role decreased. Still, he could
>have earned more playing time alongside Flores and
>Greene had he been more consistent. Even as a senior,
>I thought he was too foul-prone and inconsistent to be
>really effective.
>
> Again, this is about hyperbole, and while you seem
>more reasonable than the Czar, there is too much
>hyping of Albany players on this board. I don't buy
>it. Again, Jordan is a nice pick-up, but I believe his
>numbers were inflated by playing on a 300+ RPI team.
>
> Flores is a nice player, but again, this is the
>MAAC, not the Big East. He probably would have had a
>decent career in the Big East had he stayed at
>Rutgers, but went to a lesser conference, and put up
>big numbers. A nice player, but he also took a lot of
>shots and was their focal point on offense. It would
>have been interesting to see him in the Big East,
>because his flaws would have been magnified. One of
>the best in the East? Maybe, but not of the caliber of
>a Hatten or a Troy Bell.
>
>
>>I totally disagree but I respect your opinion. As a
>>soph eligibility wise Jackette avg. 11.5 and started
>>26 games. Along comes Flores at the same size 6'2"
>>from the Big East and down goes Jackette's role. Still
>>has been a captain for past 2 seasons with numerous
>>health issues.
>>Any good 6'2" would have their numbers chopped up if a
>>player of Flores magnitude was brought in, Twice a 1st
>>Team All Conference player. Don't be to thick headed
>>to realize that. I feel Jackettes situation is unique,
>>his numbers weren't due to his lack of ability it was
>>due to one of the best players in the "East" coming in
>>and taking over.
>>Rationalize all you want but I have to respectfully
>>disagree with your logic.
>>
>>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw
>them
>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>never
>>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>think
>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>>move is very accurate.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>that.
>>>
>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>heard proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>Manhattan
>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>>a
>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>played
>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>pt
>>>>scorer.
>>>>
>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>
>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>entirety
>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>numbers
>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>have
>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>could
>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>Jordan
>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>even
>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>
>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>>a
>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>NOT
>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>scene,
>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>is
>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>offer.
>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>at
>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>Fordham,
>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>>he
>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>All
>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>he
>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>won
>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>Let's
>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>not
>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>example:
>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>Mary
>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>>a
>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>year
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>ALL
>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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>Are you really a complete moron or just trying to portray one. Jordan was ALl MAAC. MAAC is much better then the AE. Obviously the coaches in the league thought he was a Top 15 player in the MAAC. Look at his frosh stats went Loyola was playing normal basketball and not the slow down crap!


Jordan this past season-- 40% from the field, 30%
>from three, less than a 1 to 1 assist to turnover
>ratio. He'll help, no doubt. But the All-America East
>predictions are way premature.
>
>
>
>> You don't have to agree with me, but I believe, in
>>principle, that we are talking about similar
>>situations. Jackette wasn't likely going to put up big
>>numbers, but it seemed like he was going to have a
>>bigger impact. That never really happened. Then along
>>came Flores, and his role decreased. Still, he could
>>have earned more playing time alongside Flores and
>>Greene had he been more consistent. Even as a senior,
>>I thought he was too foul-prone and inconsistent to be
>>really effective.
>>
>> Again, this is about hyperbole, and while you seem
>>more reasonable than the Czar, there is too much
>>hyping of Albany players on this board. I don't buy
>>it. Again, Jordan is a nice pick-up, but I believe his
>>numbers were inflated by playing on a 300+ RPI team.
>>
>> Flores is a nice player, but again, this is the
>>MAAC, not the Big East. He probably would have had a
>>decent career in the Big East had he stayed at
>>Rutgers, but went to a lesser conference, and put up
>>big numbers. A nice player, but he also took a lot of
>>shots and was their focal point on offense. It would
>>have been interesting to see him in the Big East,
>>because his flaws would have been magnified. One of
>>the best in the East? Maybe, but not of the caliber of
>>a Hatten or a Troy Bell.
>>
>>
>>>I totally disagree but I respect your opinion. As a
>>>soph eligibility wise Jackette avg. 11.5 and started
>>>26 games. Along comes Flores at the same size 6'2"
>>>from the Big East and down goes Jackette's role.
>Still
>>>has been a captain for past 2 seasons with numerous
>>>health issues.
>>>Any good 6'2" would have their numbers chopped up if
>a
>>>player of Flores magnitude was brought in, Twice a
>1st
>>>Team All Conference player. Don't be to thick headed
>>>to realize that. I feel Jackettes situation is
>unique,
>>>his numbers weren't due to his lack of ability it was
>>>due to one of the best players in the "East" coming
>in
>>>and taking over.
>>>Rationalize all you want but I have to respectfully
>>>disagree with your logic.
>>>
>>>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw
>>them
>>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>>never
>>>>really had the impact he might have been projected
>to
>>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year;
>I'm
>>>>talking about his performance during all three
>years,
>>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the
>CAA
>>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>>think
>>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a
>lateral
>>>>move is very accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>>that.
>>>>
>>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham
>or
>>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>>heard proof of this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>>Manhattan
>>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went
>from
>>>a
>>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>>played
>>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>>pt
>>>>>scorer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>>
>>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for
>2
>>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>>entirety
>>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made
>the
>>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>>numbers
>>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't
>mean
>>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>>have
>>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>>could
>>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>>Jordan
>>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>>even
>>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just
>because
>>>a
>>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>>NOT
>>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>>scene,
>>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>>is
>>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>>offer.
>>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>>at
>>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>>Fordham,
>>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release?
>IF
>>>>he
>>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>>All
>>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>>he
>>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>>won
>>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes,
>the
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>>Let's
>>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>>not
>>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could
>have
>>>>>>been
>>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>>example:
>>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>>Mary
>>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take
>these
>>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>>year
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next
>year
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led
>Loyola
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>>ALL
>>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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He was THIRD team all-MAAC. Which just as easily could have been a token spot for a Loyola player. You're getting your panties in a bundle over a third team All-MAAC player. Nice accolade. Doesn't neccessarily mean all that much. The MAAC is a better conference than the America East, but you're acting like the kid was All-Conference in the Big East, for Christ sakes.


>>Are you really a complete moron or just trying to
>portray one. Jordan was ALl MAAC. MAAC is much
>better then the AE. Obviously the coaches in the
>league thought he was a Top 15 player in the MAAC.
>Look at his frosh stats went Loyola was playing normal
>basketball and not the slow down crap!
>
>
> Jordan this past season-- 40% from the field, 30%
>>from three, less than a 1 to 1 assist to turnover
>>ratio. He'll help, no doubt. But the All-America East
>>predictions are way premature.
>>
>>
>>
>>> You don't have to agree with me, but I believe, in
>>>principle, that we are talking about similar
>>>situations. Jackette wasn't likely going to put up
>big
>>>numbers, but it seemed like he was going to have a
>>>bigger impact. That never really happened. Then along
>>>came Flores, and his role decreased. Still, he could
>>>have earned more playing time alongside Flores and
>>>Greene had he been more consistent. Even as a senior,
>>>I thought he was too foul-prone and inconsistent to
>be
>>>really effective.
>>>
>>> Again, this is about hyperbole, and while you seem
>>>more reasonable than the Czar, there is too much
>>>hyping of Albany players on this board. I don't buy
>>>it. Again, Jordan is a nice pick-up, but I believe
>his
>>>numbers were inflated by playing on a 300+ RPI team.
>>>
>>> Flores is a nice player, but again, this is the
>>>MAAC, not the Big East. He probably would have had a
>>>decent career in the Big East had he stayed at
>>>Rutgers, but went to a lesser conference, and put up
>>>big numbers. A nice player, but he also took a lot of
>>>shots and was their focal point on offense. It would
>>>have been interesting to see him in the Big East,
>>>because his flaws would have been magnified. One of
>>>the best in the East? Maybe, but not of the caliber
>of
>>>a Hatten or a Troy Bell.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I totally disagree but I respect your opinion. As a
>>>>soph eligibility wise Jackette avg. 11.5 and started
>>>>26 games. Along comes Flores at the same size 6'2"
>>>>from the Big East and down goes Jackette's role.
>>Still
>>>>has been a captain for past 2 seasons with numerous
>>>>health issues.
>>>>Any good 6'2" would have their numbers chopped up if
>>a
>>>>player of Flores magnitude was brought in, Twice a
>>1st
>>>>Team All Conference player. Don't be to thick headed
>>>>to realize that. I feel Jackettes situation is
>>unique,
>>>>his numbers weren't due to his lack of ability it
>was
>>>>due to one of the best players in the "East" coming
>>in
>>>>and taking over.
>>>>Rationalize all you want but I have to respectfully
>>>>disagree with your logic.
>>>>
>>>>> I know ÿ

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> I remember Albany fans hyping up Wilson and Levine. They were only ROY in AE and All Rookie. Wilson also led the AE in scoring for conference games. He had 30 on Syracuse(They won the National Championship). Overhyped? Only if you have no clue! You know what I'm saying RamMan!!!


You don't have to agree with me, but I believe, in
>principle, that we are talking about similar
>situations. Jackette wasn't likely going to put up big
>numbers, but it seemed like he was going to have a
>bigger impact. That never really happened. Then along
>came Flores, and his role decreased. Still, he could
>have earned more playing time alongside Flores and
>Greene had he been more consistent. Even as a senior,
>I thought he was too foul-prone and inconsistent to be
>really effective.
>
> Again, this is about hyperbole, and while you seem
>more reasonable than the Czar, there is too much
>hyping of Albany players on this board. I don't buy
>it. Again, Jordan is a nice pick-up, but I believe his
>numbers were inflated by playing on a 300+ RPI team.
>
> Flores is a nice player, but again, this is the
>MAAC, not the Big East. He probably would have had a
>decent career in the Big East had he stayed at
>Rutgers, but went to a lesser conference, and put up
>big numbers. A nice player, but he also took a lot of
>shots and was their focal point on offense. It would
>have been interesting to see him in the Big East,
>because his flaws would have been magnified. One of
>the best in the East? Maybe, but not of the caliber of
>a Hatten or a Troy Bell.
>
>
>>I totally disagree but I respect your opinion. As a
>>soph eligibility wise Jackette avg. 11.5 and started
>>26 games. Along comes Flores at the same size 6'2"
>>from the Big East and down goes Jackette's role. Still
>>has been a captain for past 2 seasons with numerous
>>health issues.
>>Any good 6'2" would have their numbers chopped up if a
>>player of Flores magnitude was brought in, Twice a 1st
>>Team All Conference player. Don't be to thick headed
>>to realize that. I feel Jackettes situation is unique,
>>his numbers weren't due to his lack of ability it was
>>due to one of the best players in the "East" coming in
>>and taking over.
>>Rationalize all you want but I have to respectfully
>>disagree with your logic.
>>
>>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw
>them
>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>never
>>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>think
>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>>move is very accurate.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>that.
>>>
>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>heard proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>Manhattan
>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>>a
>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>played
>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>pt
>>>>scorer.
>>>>
>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>
>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>entirety
>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>numbers
>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>have
>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>could
>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>Jordan
>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>even
>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>
>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>>a
>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>NOT
>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>scene,
>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>is
>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>offer.
>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>at
>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>Fordham,
>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>>he
>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>All
>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>he
>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>won
>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>Let's
>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>not
>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>example:
>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>Mary
>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>>a
>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>year
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>ALL
>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> MAAC is a better league then the Colonial! Hofstra stinks! UMASS and Fordham are lousy A-10 teams. Northeastern beat Fordham and Lafayette beat UMASS. Jordan has a shot to be the best guard in the AE!



I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and never
>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>talking about his performance during all three years,
>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I think
>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>move is very accurate.
>
> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>that.
>
> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>heard proof of this.
>
>
>
>
>
>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to Manhattan
>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from a
>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only played
>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6 pt
>>scorer.
>>
>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>
>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>entirety
>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>
>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>have
>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>
>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>Jordan
>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>
>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>scene,
>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>offer.
>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>Hartford.
>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>he
>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>All
>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>AE!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>Let's
>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>not
>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>been
>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>example:
>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>transferred
>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>think
>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>have
>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>addition,
>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>decided
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>year
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>and
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>in
>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>ROOKIE
>>>>as
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>>AE
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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Again, no facts, just opinion. Where are the conference RPI's for both conferences over the last couple of years? Where are some facts to back up your argument?

>> MAAC is a better league then the Colonial! Hofstra
>stinks! UMASS and Fordham are lousy A-10 teams.
>Northeastern beat Fordham and Lafayette beat UMASS.
>Jordan has a shot to be the best guard in the AE!
>
>
>
> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and never
>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I think
>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>move is very accurate.
>>
>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>that.
>>
>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>heard proof of this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>Manhattan
>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>a
>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only played
>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6 pt
>>>scorer.
>>>
>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>
>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>entirety
>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>
>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>have
>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>
>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>could
>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>Jordan
>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>
>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>a
>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>scene,
>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>is
>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>offer.
>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>Hartford.
>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>Fordham,
>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>he
>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>All
>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>he
>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>won
>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>Let's
>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>not
>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>been
>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>example:
>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>Mary
>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>transferred
>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>a
>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>think
>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>have
>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>year
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>and
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>in
>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>ROOKIE
>>>>>as
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>ALL
>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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Alright, I've had enough playtime here. You can't even put together a coherent argument, just keep tossing around rumor, innuendo, and opinions. This is a waste of time. Patch and I actually had some sort of a dialogue going. This is just buffoonery.

I am very skeptical that you are an Albany grad. You could sure use a grammar class, because some of the stuff you've written is practically unreadable.


> Again, no facts, just opinion. Where are the
>conference RPI's for both conferences over the last
>couple of years? Where are some facts to back up your
>argument?
>
>>> MAAC is a better league then the Colonial! Hofstra
>>stinks! UMASS and Fordham are lousy A-10 teams.
>>Northeastern beat Fordham and Lafayette beat UMASS.
>>Jordan has a shot to be the best guard in the AE!
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>never
>>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>think
>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>>move is very accurate.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>that.
>>>
>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>heard proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>Manhattan
>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>>a
>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>played
>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>pt
>>>>scorer.
>>>>
>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>
>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>entirety
>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>numbers
>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>have
>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>could
>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>Jordan
>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>even
>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>
>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>>a
>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>NOT
>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>scene,
>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>is
>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>offer.
>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>at
>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>Fordham,
>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>>he
>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>All
>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>he
>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>won
>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>Let's
>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>not
>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>example:
>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>Mary
>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>>a
>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>year
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>ALL
>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> AE loses Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and Towson and cellar dwellar Vermont wins. That should tell you something. This is a new AE and is a marginal league at BEst!!!



Again, no facts, just opinion. Where are the
>conference RPI's for both conferences over the last
>couple of years? Where are some facts to back up your
>argument?
>
>>> MAAC is a better league then the Colonial! Hofstra
>>stinks! UMASS and Fordham are lousy A-10 teams.
>>Northeastern beat Fordham and Lafayette beat UMASS.
>>Jordan has a shot to be the best guard in the AE!
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>never
>>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>think
>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>>move is very accurate.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>that.
>>>
>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>heard proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>Manhattan
>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>>a
>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>played
>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>pt
>>>>scorer.
>>>>
>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>
>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>entirety
>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>numbers
>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>have
>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>could
>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>Jordan
>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>even
>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>
>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>>a
>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>NOT
>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>scene,
>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>is
>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>offer.
>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>at
>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>Fordham,
>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>>he
>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>All
>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>he
>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>won
>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>Let's
>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>not
>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>example:
>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>Mary
>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>>a
>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>year
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>ALL
>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> Jordan was offered by LaSalle, Duquesne, St. Bonnies and the entire MAAC out of HS! Parker could not have gone higher. He couldn't play at the school he was at! Jordan was successful at Loyola! He had a great frosh year. Loyola changed the way they played this year. Very slow down tempo. Everybody keyed on him because the rest of his team sucked! That's not his game the slow down tempo. Jackette was hurt both years. Get a clue! You can't name one AE guard whose better!


Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the entirety
>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>he put up at William and Mary.
>
> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions have
>been well documented on this board.
>
> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>have played at a higher level than a mid-major. Jordan
>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>
> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting scene,
>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship offer.
>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>skeptical about the other two schools.
>
>
>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford.
>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he
>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All
>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>AE!!!
>>
>>
>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>
>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>been
>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>transferred
>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>think
>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>
>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>gaudy
>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>vintage
>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>decided
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>and
>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>AE
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>two years without question.

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I don't care who offered him out of high school. I am just skeptical that any of those teams, or similar caliber teams, would make a play for him now. You have provided no proof of that to me that UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra would have taken him. They could have just called to inquire, for all I know. Inquires get taken as "offers" pretty often.

It remains to be seen whether or not he's better than the rest of the guards in the league. But there is a strong probability that his stats were inflated, playing for one of the bottom 30 teams in the country. That's common sense.


>> Jordan was offered by LaSalle, Duquesne, St. Bonnies
>and the entire MAAC out of HS! Parker could not have
>gone higher. He couldn't play at the school he was
>at! Jordan was successful at Loyola! He had a great
>frosh year. Loyola changed the way they played this
>year. Very slow down tempo. Everybody keyed on him
>because the rest of his team sucked! That's not his
>game the slow down tempo. Jackette was hurt both
>years. Get a clue! You can't name one AE guard whose
>better!
>
>
> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the entirety
>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>
>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions have
>>been well documented on this board.
>>
>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major. Jordan
>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>
>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting scene,
>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship offer.
>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>
>>
>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford.
>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he
>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All
>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>AE!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>
>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>been
>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>example:
>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>transferred
>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>think
>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>
>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>have
>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>gaudy
>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>addition,
>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>vintage
>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>decided
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>and
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>>as
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>AE
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> You've obviously never seen the kid play!

I don't care who offered him out of high school. I
>am just skeptical that any of those teams, or similar
>caliber teams, would make a play for him now. You have
>provided no proof of that to me that UMass, Fordham,
>and Hofstra would have taken him. They could have just
>called to inquire, for all I know. Inquires get taken
>as "offers" pretty often.
>
> It remains to be seen whether or not he's better
>than the rest of the guards in the league. But there
>is a strong probability that his stats were inflated,
>playing for one of the bottom 30 teams in the country.
>That's common sense.
>
>
>>> Jordan was offered by LaSalle, Duquesne, St. Bonnies
>>and the entire MAAC out of HS! Parker could not have
>>gone higher. He couldn't play at the school he was
>>at! Jordan was successful at Loyola! He had a great
>>frosh year. Loyola changed the way they played this
>>year. Very slow down tempo. Everybody keyed on him
>>because the rest of his team sucked! That's not his
>>game the slow down tempo. Jackette was hurt both
>>years. Get a clue! You can't name one AE guard whose
>>better!
>>
>>
>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>entirety
>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>
>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>have
>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>
>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>Jordan
>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>
>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>scene,
>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>offer.
>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>Hartford.
>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>he
>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>All
>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>AE!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>Let's
>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>not
>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>been
>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>example:
>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>transferred
>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>think
>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>have
>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>addition,
>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>decided
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>year
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>and
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>in
>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>ROOKIE
>>>>as
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>>AE
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> The MAAC is the 16th best conference in America this year. The AE was 24th. Big difference. The MAAC is better than the Horizon. Take Butler out and the Horizon is weak!!


You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>THAT much of a higher level.
>
> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have been
>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he transferred
>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I think
>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>
>
>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>
>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>
>>
>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is vintage
>>>Czar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has decided
>>>to
>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>and
>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>have
>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE as
>>a
>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>for
>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- Ramfan, 21:03:12 04/20/03 Sun

The MAAC is NOT better than the Horizon League. Wisconsin-Green Bay won 24 games and won their conference tournament. Detroit is a perenially strong mid-major program. You MIGHT have an argument that both conferences are about even. But the MAAC better? Not a chance.


>> The MAAC is the 16th best conference in America this
>year. The AE was 24th. Big difference. The MAAC is
>better than the Horizon. Take Butler out and the
>Horizon is weak!!
>
>
> You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>
>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have been
>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he transferred
>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I think
>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>
>>
>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>
>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>
>>>
>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the gaudy
>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>vintage
>>>>Czar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>decided
>>>>to
>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>and
>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>have
>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>as
>>>a
>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL AE
>>>>for
>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- Czar, 21:41:35 04/20/03 Sun

> Are you sure you know basketball? Green Bay blows! Maybe you meant Milwaukee? But who knows with you!


The MAAC is NOT better than the Horizon League.
>Wisconsin-Green Bay won 24 games and won their
>conference tournament. Detroit is a perenially strong
>mid-major program. You MIGHT have an argument that
>both conferences are about even. But the MAAC better?
>Not a chance.
>
>
>>> The MAAC is the 16th best conference in America this
>>year. The AE was 24th. Big difference. The MAAC is
>>better than the Horizon. Take Butler out and the
>>Horizon is weak!!
>>
>>
>> You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>
>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>been
>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>transferred
>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>think
>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>
>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>gaudy
>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>vintage
>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>decided
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>and
>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>AE
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. -- Ramfan, 22:28:44 04/20/03 Sun

Don't divert the argument here on a typo. Let's see some facts to back up your argument.

>> Are you sure you know basketball? Green Bay blows!
> Maybe you meant Milwaukee? But who knows with you!
>
>
>The MAAC is NOT better than the Horizon League.
>>Wisconsin-Green Bay won 24 games and won their
>>conference tournament. Detroit is a perenially strong
>>mid-major program. You MIGHT have an argument that
>>both conferences are about even. But the MAAC better?
>>Not a chance.
>>
>>
>>>> The MAAC is the 16th best conference in America
>this
>>>year. The AE was 24th. Big difference. The MAAC is
>>>better than the Horizon. Take Butler out and the
>>>Horizon is weak!!
>>>
>>>
>>> You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>
>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>been
>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>example:
>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>transferred
>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>think
>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>
>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>have
>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>gaudy
>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>addition,
>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>vintage
>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>decided
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>and
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>>as
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>AE
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Keep in mind.. Ramfan/Czar -- Patch, 21:44:34 04/20/03 Sun

You 2 guys can continue your "pissing match", I'm done!!!
I am only interested in this coming season right now and I hope the Great Danes are vastly improved and can rebound better and be competitive game to game. I also hope they can atleast have enough players to practice 5 on 5 which they couldn't do this year.

> The MAAC is NOT better than the Horizon League.
>Wisconsin-Green Bay won 24 games and won their
>conference tournament. Detroit is a perenially strong
>mid-major program. You MIGHT have an argument that
>both conferences are about even. But the MAAC better?
>Not a chance.
>
>
>>> The MAAC is the 16th best conference in America this
>>year. The AE was 24th. Big difference. The MAAC is
>>better than the Horizon. Take Butler out and the
>>Horizon is weak!!
>>
>>
>> You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>
>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>been
>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an example:
>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>transferred
>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>think
>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>
>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't have
>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>gaudy
>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice addition,
>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>vintage
>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>decided
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>and
>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year and
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>AE
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>two years without question.

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