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Date Posted: 13:29:55 04/29/03 Tue
Author: BingGrad
Subject: Re: Future AE membership?
In reply to:
J.J.
's message, "Re: Future AE membership?" on 08:59:55 04/29/03 Tue
It appears that there is quite a gap between Central and the SUNY's as respects admission criteria -- based on the information I was able to quickly pull together from the individual school websites. Looking at average SAT scores (some list an actual average, others list the range from 25th to 75th percentile, Binghamton lists both, Stony Brook and Hartford list neither)
Central Conn 830 - 1049
Maine 980 - 1170
Boston U - 1240 - 1380
UNH - 1100
Vermont - 1193
Northeastern - 1070 - 1240
Albany 1100 - 1250
Binghamton 1235; 1160 - 1310
I don't have the background to comment on Hartford's relative rank here. Stony Brook is generally considered at about the same level as Albany, although perhaps just a shade below.
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Re: Future AE membership? -- BingGrad, 13:33:17 04/29/03 Tue
>It appears that there is quite a gap between Central
>and the SUNY's as respects admission criteria -- based
>on the information I was able to quickly pull together
>from the individual school websites. Looking at
>average SAT scores (some list an actual average,
>others list the range from 25th to 75th percentile,
>Binghamton lists both, Stony Brook and Hartford list
>neither)
>
>Central Conn 830 - 1049
>Maine 980 - 1170
>Boston U - 1240 - 1380
>UNH - 1100
>Vermont - 1193
>Northeastern - 1070 - 1240
>Albany 1100 - 1250
>Binghamton 1235; 1160 - 1310
>
>I don't have the background to comment on Hartford's
>relative rank here. Stony Brook is generally
>considered at about the same level as Albany, although
>perhaps just a shade below.
I forgot our newest member. UMBC - 1220 average score.
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Re: Future AE membership? -- J.J., 16:09:55 04/29/03 Tue
Bing - Very good numbers. Assuming they are accurate I don't think that its that bad. It is interesting that Central is only 150 points off Maine's numbers (I thought we'd be farther off). The SUNY schools do rank considerable higher (I should have seen that coming - my girlfriend went to Bing). I would only guess that state population might have some influence on the standards. Maine and CT have a smaller pool of students to choose from and NY has more financial resources for its university system, but that's not important. I hope no one took any offense to what I had written before. I understand that Central would rank low on the academic standards, but it not a community college as NU would have implied, and its within reason to be included with existing AE schools. I started this discussion based on athletic competition and not as a debate of university reputations. I though many different views on AE expansion would be interesting. Anyway, thanks for your comments.
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Re: Future AE membership? -- NU Hoop Fan, 16:24:33 04/29/03 Tue
Who implied it was a community college?
To quote a famed coach (I think it was Bill Parcells), you are what you are.
Is it a school with a ton of commuters, yes. So in fact was NU up until the last 10 years.
Is it a state school funded by a state educational system that's in trouble? Yes, but so is UMass, and I can't imagine UVM, UNH, Maine or the SUNY's are in much better shape.
Does it meet the criteria that the AE wants in a member institution? Today, probably not. Five years from now, who knows, but I doubt it.
In fact, I'd argue that if Hartford were being considered for membership at any other time in the league's history except for the time it was admitted, it might have a difficult time getting in. Not as hard a time as CCSU or Quinnipiac, but I know that the research levels at Hartford are probably at the bottom of the AE rung. Not a knock on Hartford, at all, just the facts.
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