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Date Posted: 21:11:00 04/10/03 Thu
Author: Patch
Subject: Re: Broken Record - Bingo Booster
In reply to: Bingo Booster 's message, "Broken Record - ADs vote on this stuff" on 20:58:27 04/10/03 Thu

I think that you have a pretty good understanding of the criteria now!!!! It's easy to recognize the problem now come up with a solution and it can't be Binghamton because they actually want to do it and do it right!!! Good Luck!!

>This topic and its humorously inaccurate responses
>couldn't be more frustrating to read. Please read and
>attempt to understand these FACTS:
>
>The league ADs make bids to host the men's and women's
>tournaments. These bids haven't even been submitted
>yet. Once submitted, the ADs (NOT Monasch) actually
>vote on which of the proposed sites they prefer.
>
>Once you come to grips with that fact, those of you
>who detest the thought of coming to Binghamton for the
>men's tournament can use your close connections to
>your respective ADs and lobby them to vote for the
>ideal locale. As I understand from Dane, Hoop Fan,
>Animal, etc. the most important criteria for a site
>are:
>
>1. A big city with 24-hour fun for those who want to
>vacation with their families.
>
>2. A school that DOESN'T want the tournament real bad
>and DOESN'T want to spend money to make it better than
>the last two have been.
>
>3. A city that is nice and close so the throngs of
>fans that apparently are the most important thing to
>the stability of the AE don't have to drive too far on
>frightening highways.
>
>4. A school who has been in the conference for a real
>long time, and despite not being interested and/or
>capable of hosting in the recent millenium, should be
>granted the honor of hosting - perhaps even against
>its will
>
>5. A neutral site that is nice and close to the
>greatest city in the world ... Orono. Just kidding, I
>meant Boston.
>
>6. A site where the hospitality suite is so small
>that there won't be any room for UMBC folks to shmooze
>with Monasch (we don't want another Binghamton on our
>hands!!).
>
>One other quick note. The talk of changing the format
>with first-round games on campuses and the Final Four
>at one site sounds good. Yet once again, I must
>repeat. THE ADs VOTE ON THIS DAMN STUFF. To say that
>your suggestion (albeit surely a unique and brilliant
>concept that has never crossed the minds of
>administrators who have decades of experience at this
>thing) would make too much sense for AE folks to
>consider still, amazingly, misses the point. At the
>risk of repeating myself ... THE ADs vote on these
>issues. Head coaches chat at their respective
>meetings and make suggestions to their ADs. So if a
>consensus of men's basketball coaches actually liked
>this idea, it might be pushed through (by the ADs).
>
>My god, help me. This is like speaking to my
>three-year-old.

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[> [> Re: Broken Record - Bingo Booster -- NU Hoop Fan, 22:47:06 04/10/03 Thu

I think that everyone's frustration with Binghamton as a host school is that it is going to make it VERY difficult for the true fans of the league to attend and support the tournament, and have a good all-around experience.

When you combine that with the paucity of extra-curricular activities in the Metropolitan Binghamton area, it makes the value proposition of attending a tournament in Binghamton lesser.

Since there are some of us (probably myself and Dane 96 included) that realize that Mr. Monasch is willing to sacrifice the pleasures of a few at the tournament to line the league's coffers.

How Binghamton did it is, admittedly, irrelevant, but those who saw the school in action at past tourneys have a valid claim as to why the alleged bid will be accepted by the AE.

I think the question we REALLY are debating here is the following:

Who is the tournament location relevant for:

The players? No, I think that they'd play the tournament in a YMCA gym in White River Junction if it decided who got to go to the Big Dance.

The coaches? No, I don't think they care where they'd play to some degree, as long as the location doesn't give one school a decided home court advantage (see Delaware) but EVERYONE would like to be either at home or closer to home.

The AD's? Probably not, they go to the tournament wherever it is.

The League Presidents? Come on, give me a break. Tricky Dick Freeland was at like one game when the tourney was at NU, and I don't know if Silber or any BU designee went to WBA this year.

So, in my opinion, the tournament location is important to two stakeholders:

1. The League. Mr. Monasch and Co. have made it clear they want a centralized tournament to be an EVENT, to promote all that is best and good about the AE. Don't get me wrong, he also has made it clear that he wants the tournament to be a money-making venture for the league. He also wants the tourney to be visible, hence the games on TV.

2. The Fans. Without the fans, the games may just very well be played in a random location. No, there aren't thousands of us who go to these games, and no, many league teams don't travel well or draw well. Would a tournament in Hartford, or Albany, or Portland bring more people together, I'm not 100% sold that MORE people would show up than would for a regular game.

So, the struggle for the league comes down to whose interests are best served by a centralized tournament at a member institution, and I think that in this case money wins out. The fact that we have a member institution that has been very visible and outspoken about wanting to host, is probably good for the league, short term.

Will Binghamton do a good job? As mentioned before, with all of the effort they've exerted to get the damn thing, I'm sure they will. Does this mean it should be their "birthright" to be the perpetual host or host for a noticeable window of time, no, I don't think so.

Long term, a tournament situated in Binghamton isn't the right answer for the league, for all of the reasons that long-term Delaware wasn't the answer for the "Old AE." I'd be all for rotating it every 2-3 years. No economies are gained by having a school host the tourney just for one year.

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[> [> [> Re: Broken Record - Bingo Booster-NUHOOPFAN -- Dane96, 23:15:39 04/10/03 Thu

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>Who is the tournament location relevant for:
>
>The players? No, I think that they'd play the
>tournament in a YMCA gym in White River Junction if it
>decided who got to go to the Big Dance.
>
LOL..actually Whiter River Junction is quite nice. Just got in a car accident up there last Wed and had to spend the night. Because of its proximity to Dartmouth, they have a ton of bars, restaruants, attractions, and hotels. Actually would be a nice place for a tournament!!! Better than Central NY on a snowy winter weekend.

:)

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[> [> [> Re: Broken Record - Bingo Booster -- NUGrad, 11:19:31 04/11/03 Fri

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>Since there are some of us (probably myself and Dane
>96 included) that realize that Mr. Monasch is willing
>to sacrifice the pleasures of a few at the tournament
>to line the league's coffers.

I have no desire to drag this out forever, but who is correct, here?
Is Mr Monasch taking some undeserved heat? (see above and the like) or is it the AD's who pick the site from among all bids THEY submitted?

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