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] Date Posted: 14:21:19 05/02/25 Fri In reply to: Cassidy to grandadbob. 's message, "Re: To Miracle" on 13:44:51 05/02/25 Fri Hi Cassidy sweetheart, Just like you I feel like I'm butting in here but I know Grandpa Bob and know him to be a good man. We currently have 16 kids on something called maintenance spanking here in this forum. We have had several girls just like Miracle who have come to us from broken homes in all kinds of behavior problems and we have literally turned their lives around. It's really almost magic, or in your case a miracle. All of the kids are 9 years old through 13, so Miracle fits perfectly into that group at 10. It sounds like Grandpa Bob has already done the Spade work, so that's done for you tell me you lucky person. Several here have not been so lucky and they've had to talk their kids into it. So here's how it works. You need to sit down and have a conversation with her which it sounds like you already have and tell her that this new thing called maintenance sessions is coming to the house. Tell her this is not a punishment, but to help her with everything. You need to, between the two of you, to pick two days a week. Most of your use Wednesdays in the afternoon or evening and Saturday during the day. Once you have chosen the two days, she needs to understand that this is not a flash in the pan, but will be going on for the foreseeable future. So let's say every Wednesday before dinner or after dinner you will have one of the sessions. Once it is scheduled, she needs to show up for the session, then go to her room and take all her clothes off and fold them neatly and then come back to the lounge and wait for you. Then you come in, sit down and she needs to stand in front of you with her hands at her side and the two of you have a discussion about how everything is going, including life, School, sports if she's involved in anything, and absolutely anything else she wants to talk about. This conversation typically takes about 15 minutes but has gone on as long as 45. It's important not to interrupt the conversation if it's going really well. Then, once the conversation is over, she needs to say to you please spank me. This sounds really corny but all 16 of the children do this and like this. You may have to ease into that one. Then you take her over your lap and give her 20 medium hard space with your hand until she is crying pretty well and then let her up to dance around the room if she wants to. Then if she has misbehaved, at some point in the last three or four days or whenever the last session was, you take her back over your lap and give her up to 10 strokes with a lexan paddle, easily obtained online, which will never leave any marks in his gentle on the skin. Keep in mind some weeks she will be an angel and you will need zero strokes during this part. Then, once she dances this off, you invite her back onto your lap and she's straddles your legs facing you probably crying, and you proceed to soothe her in comfort her by rubbing her face, neck, shoulders, arms, legs, tummy all the while telling her how much you love her and what a good girl she is. This goes on for 15 or 20 minutes but has lasted over an hour. It involves lots of hugging and kissing. Once it feels like it is coming to an end, then give her a big hug and a kiss and tell her what a good girl she is and then send her on her way to get dressed and continue on with the rest of the day. You can read about these sessions in the kids on words all throughout this forum. Be aware that almost all the parents have integrated rubbing their private parts into this and you can just ignore that if that makes sense to you. That has evolved over time without my recommendation or condoning it, but an uncle up in northern England started doing it with his niece and it spread like wildfire. So just ignore that if it makes no sense. The important thing is that this is not a punishment. This is just a reminder to stay on track and a bonding experience for the spanker and the child. And it works like magic. 100% of the children who came into the program with problems are now well adjusted and productive kids. In fact the reason that I do this is because it has been so rewarding to watch the transformation of kids from really troubled youth to good kids who are positive and productive. I'll be happy to help you with any questions along the way. I'm assuming you're at the UK, so just so you are aware, I'm in Hawaii and am 11 hours off of you, so if I don't reply right away you'll understand. An easy rule of thumb is that whatever time it is there, it's an hour later here on the other side of the day. So if it's 6:00 in the afternoon there, it's 7:00 in the morning here. If you write me at 12:00 noon your time, it will be the middle of the night here and you probably won't hear for several hours. Best of luck to you. If this wasn't so successful, I would never butt into a conversation like this one. Fortunately I know Grandpa Bob and know him to be a great guy. Best to you and take care, Lindsay [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author:  grandpaBob[ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:06:21 05/02/25 Fri Hi Lindsay. What you said is correct but I think here we have to start much further upstream as while the other kids you are talking to were already in a certain kind of bond with their uncles, parents, etc. Here there is a very fluid situation still to be stabilized. Dear Cassidy, I think it would be possible to implement something of the Lindsay's maintenance but at the moment I'm feeling it would be better to start like granddad Bill did with Tanya. What I'm suggesting is to have a serious talk with Miracle about what it is expected from her, tell her in clear terms what would happened if she will not follow the rules and just to make it clearer, as soon as she will say she is accepting the new rules, undress her like you could do with a toddler until she'll be totally nude in front of you with arms on her side or crossed on her back and legs apart. At that point you'll say her to ask you to be spanked for all the things she did in the last times, turn her on your laps and than proceed with her first spanking. When you'll have finished let her sit on your laps, cuddle her with a real strong physical contact and let her calm down than ask her if she's feeling better. After a session like that you could maybe give her a warm bubbles bath (Tanya loves that) and let her feel really loved. If sometimes she would want to go out while you said her she's not allowed to I may suggest the way granddad Bill used with Tanya: she was made to remain totally nude except for going to school or shopping (authorized outgoing) for a certain amount of time (first time if I don't remember wrong Tanya was made nude for about a couple of weeks). That's all for now. Those were just some guide lines on which you (or we if you will prefer) have to work a path. It could be of help to have the support of a group like the church group of Tanya if something like that would be available. Well I will be here for any further info you would find needed. Hugs and kisses to sweet Miracle [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Lindsay to Grandpa Bob and Cassidy [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:45:01 05/02/25 Fri Hi there everyone, GB, I appreciate your point of view here but you may not know that there were at least three roughly equivalent situations where there wasn't a bond already formed and it was formed through the magic of Maintenance sessions. So Cassidy like I said I have tremendous respect for Grandpa, but that is actually been conquered if you will within this program. The outline said he is suggesting sound good to me and are very similar to what I set out for you. I would challenge you to have the discussion and then try this for a couple of weeks and I'm willing to bet money that you're going to see huge turnaround. And that bonding that you're concerned about Grandpa Bob I predict will almost magically take place for Miracle. So I would plead with you to just try it for a couple of weeks and if it doesn't work out, you can always go back to something more along the lines of Grandpa Bob's idea which actually is pretty close to our maintenance outline. Thank you and lots of luck. I'm always somewhere around this forum and you can always start a new thread, which you obviously know how to do, to discuss any questions you might have as this rolls along. Best of luck to you, and love your way, Lindsay [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Cassidy to grandpabob. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:52:01 05/03/25 Sat Hello and yous will have to excuse me. But I was a bit overwhelmed with the messages and was quite unsure exactly what was happening to be honest. I should say first thank you both for your messages and care. I have managed to work my head around the messages somewhat. Lindsay and you seem like a terrific young lady from all I have seen. But I am honestly not sure about that at the moment and I am unsure about it. But I would absolutely never rule anything out. Thank you so much and please do feel free to message miracle and I anytime. But I feel that because she had been seeing the constant messaging with the other young girl Tanya and this wonderful man as you so kindly pointed out. I feel like miracle has made a connection somehow with the similarities with her and Tanya. She seems to have from what I have seen gone through similar experiences in their lives and which they never should have. But please note that I am interested in chatting with you and thank you for this.............. Grandpabob I should have told Cody that I tried a few times to send you a message from earlier on. Miracle is currently in her bedroom and nude crying and I went along with everything you said here. I had a feeling that despite her saying yesterday about being spanked she would possibly charge her mind and it was indeed the case. But despite her protesting and struggling with me. I remained firm and it took quite a while with a few Sharp smacks on her covered bottom to get her to listen to me and go over house rules and expectations. I of course told her she was like a daughter to me and I could not love her anymore than I do. We talked for almost an hour about everything and of course there is more to talk about. But once she agreed with the spanking going to be introduced to her as part of discipline. She was starting to say something about it and I said stand up right now young lady and she was staring at me and I said I said stand up now and she was crying through the whole process as I began taken her socks off and went to remove her pj top and I had to slap her bottom three times and I removed her top and Pj shorts and no panties. I told her to stand still and she of course was saying sorry to me and I said glad to hear that sweetie. Now hands down and look at mommy and I needed to turn her face to me several times to get her to look at me. I told her again that I love her and she is my little girl and precious to me. But her bad behaviour is not going to be accepted anymore. I said over my lap and she was protesting saying sorry mommy and please don't spank me. I said you are not listening to mommy and brought her across my lap and spanked her for several minutes with my hand and I hope you don't mind this. But I landed several hard smacks on her bottom to finish her hand spanking and said you can take these from grandpabob and I could not believe she said sorry Grampa bob as though you were delivering them personally and I will be honest with you I tried not to smile. But also I felt some satisfaction knowing that this is exactly what she needs and I had already dug out a paddle that my parents used on me and was in the attic with other things belonging to our family from many years ago. I gave her double her age which I thought you mentioned. But she was a wreck and she got of my lap and danced around the lounge like doing the Riverdance holding her bottom and thighs and sobbing with snots and tears. I waited for several minutes and until she stopped dancing and said come over and she immediately said she loves me and my heart was melting and I said you know that mommy loves you more than anything. We talked for ages and she drifted off to sleep for a bit while she had asked me to please rub her bottom. I set her down on the sofa for a nap and she woke up almost an hour later and said she was supposed to see her friends. Smiling here sorry and you would think she was a business woman late for a business meeting saying she had to meet her friends lol. I said sorry sweetie and you are not going anywhere until mommy says otherwise and certainly not on your own from now on like we talked about. But she was starting to whine and went to go to her bedroom and said she was getting dressed. I immediately sat down on her bed and put her struggling over my lap again and said mommy said no and no means no. You are just a little girl and will listen to me. I said now you will be staying undressed until I say so and no phone or iPad because I know that she can talk to her friends through those. She immediately started stomping her feet and I grabbed her hand and spanked her several times again and said you know what you stay here and think about your behaviour young lady and if I hear you having a tantrum mommy will come back in and spank you again. She jumped on her bed face down of course and was hitting her pillow which is fine though. I checked in on her and she never even noticed me as she was half asleep reading. Thank you so much for everything and I forgot to add she said while cuddling with me mommy Grampa spanks hard lol. Her Grampa was the closest thing to a father figure she had in her young life. I am sending love your way and your families and of course you too beautiful Lindsay. I will have miracle send you a message and please feel free to be firm if you want to. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Lindsay to Cassidy [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:57:12 05/03/25 Sat Hi Cassidy sweetheart, Is the middle of the night here but I felt it was important enough to send you a quick message. What you just pulled off where the very outlines of a maintenance session. I suppose I would like to have seen more cuddling with her but outside of that it was exactly one of our sessions. The nice thing about an actual session is that you won't have the fighting or coercion involved having to grab her and put her over your lap. Once you have that initial discussion and decide to do the sessions and schedule them, as you said she will act more like a businesswoman and show up on time and undressed for the session. Yours sounds exactly like several of the girls starting out before the sessions started to work their magic and kick in. It's really pretty simple. Once again this is not a punishment although the punishment can be delivered with the paddle if she has earned any when you do the 1 to 10 strokes on the second part of the spanking. But the great thing is, it sounds like you had a productive discussion with her and then turn her over your knee. That's exactly the way a session works, except it's very calm and the discussion is very deliberate and then she expects this banking to come and then they extensive cuddling. I was pleased that she even anticipated a session style cuddling when she asked you to rub her bottom. That's an important part of the cuddling and holding and kissing that's involved in a session. It's not uncommon for the child to fall asleep either. That would indicate a successful session. But do you see what I mean Cassidy? During the session there is no arguing or having to grab arms or anything else. She comes willingly, discusses her behavior at length and then the girls actually ask for the spanking, which might take a while for miracle. I love her name by the way. Then after this banking comes the considerable cuddling and finally sending her on her way to put her clothes back on and resume her day. I really like that Grandpa Bob has introduced the whole idea of speaking to her and how important it is, and that really sets the table for consistent sessions. The sessions just become part of routine and the girls have made this remarkable turn around, in several cases a 180° turn in their lives. I have several parents that you can talk to who consider it an incredible blessing for their family and thank me regularly for just that. Anyway, it's up to you. It's so much better than occasional spanking for punishment, there's no comparison. Cody is a good friend of mine by the way and is a big advocate of maintenance. Tanya was already into a routine after a very difficult childhood but she has maintenance sessions once a week on Wednesdays, sometimes with the pastor of the church, but rotating between three gentlemen, her grandfather, her mentor in her pastor. It works very well for her. Good luck to you Cassidy and I'm happy to talk with you anytime. If you want to start a new thread just about maintenance I'll be happy to participate but please remember that it may take me several hours to reply. Speaking of which, I'm going to go back to sleep now and I hope that you choose to implement a session or sessions with Miracle on a regular basis. Sending love your way, Lindsay [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: grandpaBob[ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:37:26 05/03/25 Sat Very well done, Cassidy. It is natural that kids try their way out even when they agreed first with the spanking but you demonstrated her you are firm in your intentions and will. With you firmness you'll help Miracle to remain firm in her willing to change despite the "fear" of the spanking. Letting her nude for some time will help her to understand she's not the one who rules life and, as you said her, if you, her reference person, say no that means NO! Like Lindsay said it's really important the cuddles part at the end because while the former part means I'm who set up the rules for your well being, the latter has to give to Miracle the clear message that "you are the most important thing for me in the world, I absolutely love you and I never ever will do anything to harm you". So, after your sessions, feel free to go with rubbing, cuddling and everything you know Miracle just loves to receive. At the beginning it will surely be not easy because she's just a kid and not used to be ruled but as inside herself she perfectly knows she need it (she said it herself) and she wants it don't give up and go on this way. I don't know where exactly you live but if you are near enough to Tanya grandparents they have a really strong bounded church group which surely might help you both along the "good path". I know they lived near London but I'm not sure in which direction but I think it would be possible for you to be in touch with them too. I'd like to know from Miracle's side how it is going on. Hope to read her soon. Oh, btw, as Lindsay said about the other kids she is following in maintenance, due to some private initiative by some of those parents, I don't feel Miracles should go and read about their sessions. That's just my opinion and at the end you are the only one to make decision about it. Bye for now Hugs and kisses to Miracle [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Cassidy to grandpabob and Cody. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:41:07 05/03/25 Sat I am out at the moment and not really able to reply properly to your messages. I will respond properly later on. But I wanted to check in with you both and say thank yous and much love from miracle and I. I will have her send you both a message also. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: grandpaBob[ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:48:59 05/03/25 Sat Hi Cassidy it seems Miracle is behaving like it was expected. At the beginning it's always not easy as the old habits are hard to break but you don't have to desist. Now this is the most important stage, where you can set your own rules and pave the way for a wonderful Miracle's future or, if you desist, to lose everything with no chance to regain it. In this moment Miracle is like a wild little horse and you have to work good to maintain her inside the safe boundaries you created for her. From her current behavior you can already sense that she wants to stay within her safe enclosure but, on the other hand, her wild spirit, underneath, pushes her to force your hand. Just continue to be strong and coherent with yourself and your rules; in all likelihood this acute phase will not last long than should begin a period of "peace" during which, however, you should not let yourself go because there could probably be some "rekindling" from time to time. Anyway, the more you'll go further on this path, the more likely Miracle will become easier to live with. For these first times you will have to be very strict and never have a blind eye on anything; it's very important Miracles understands well life is changed and nothing will ever be like before. Every time you'll have to deal with her, for the good as for the worst, make incontrovertibly clear to her that you love her above all else and you care for her more than anything else in the world. If Miracle will post to me I'll be ready to reply her [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Cassidy to grandadbob. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:48:17 05/03/25 Sat Hello again and I have just got home now with miracle and unfortunately she was acting up out in the store. She has done this many times before while we have been out in public. I bent down several times to get to her level and scolded her about her behaviour. I said a few times I want her to stop it now and behave herself and she said she was going to go off on her own. I ended up given her a few swats on her skirt covered bottom and one lady thankfully said to her listen to mommy and behave yourself and miracle looked like she wanted to say something. She stood arms folded and would not move. I was half way through shopping for groceries and put the trolley aside and took her hand with her dragging along and protesting of course. I ended up smacking her bottom several times and told her to walk now. She was not aware that I was bringing her into one of the bathrooms with a large stall and immediately pulled her skirt and panties down and over my lap and spanked her until she was crying properly and saying sorry mommy. I stood her up and said was she ready to be a good girl and do as mommy says. She was trying to be stubborn and stood given me daggers and I simply put her back over my lap and spanked her again and said was she now ready to do what I said mommy is in charge and you are a little girl. She said yes sobbing her eyes out and I added a dozen more smacks to be sure. I had her stand up and she wanted a hug and I gave her one of course and helped her get dressed and washed her face and back to shopping. I told her she was going to bed early and no arguing with mommy. She was told to hold onto the shopping trolley and not go anywhere and she was not happy about it though and thankfully she did it despite one hand furiously rubbing her bottom. Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement and support here. You are correct about kids saying one thing and doing another and I was well aware that she was going to change her mind regarding the spanking. I appreciate your kind words and just like this mornings spanking I believe she thought I would not follow through outdoors. She is undressed now again and sitting on the sofa while I prepare tea and then straight to bed with her. I honestly appreciate you and the young girl Cody and I will reply to her soon. Of course I will cuddle with miracle after discipling her and it was amazing how she fell asleep in my arms after getting spanked. You seem to have a great rapport with that little girl Tanya and miracle is definitely smitten with you also. She will send you a message before she goes to sleep. She has already said she changed her mind on spanking lol and I of course ignored her and said she is a child and I am the mommy and adult and I set the rules here and she is going to follow them or face the consequences. I do appreciate Cody and I have no doubt by reading her messages to some of the parents and their children it works. But I will just go with what you spoke about for now with miracle. I almost forgot to say that I told her our messages were private and kind of funny she said was I going to tell Grampa which obviously means you. I said yes I most certainly will be telling him about your antics and she was saying that she was sorry. That young girl Tanya and her guardians/grandparents seem like a wonderful family and and indeed very similar it seems how miracle has so far growing up in a terrible environment for a child. Once again please feel free to scold her if you feel it is necessary Hun and thank you so much. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Cody to Cassidy [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:53:45 05/03/25 Sat Hi lovely Cassidy, I think you're mixing me up with Lindsay, which I actually take as a big compliment. Even though I'm very much impressed with her and consider her friend and support everything she does, I'm not involved in the 16 kids that she manages the maintenance sessions for. I think if you'd ask a little Tanya however who her best online friends are there is no question it would be me and Grandpa Bob. And I agree, she came from a terrible background and it's so lucky to be with her grandparents in a beautiful house with her own room versus having to share a room with several addicts and not knowing if her stuff was even safe from day to day. I love her very much and I'm starting to love your little Miracle. I would however recommend that you take Lindsay up on doing two minute sessions a week with Miracle. These really do work wonders and for instance the situation at the store would have been greatly tempered or gone completely if Miracle had been under maintenance. It really is a miracle the way it works and has worked for a little Tanya. Please just try it out. I know that Lindsay will give you all the help that you need. I know exactly what every part of Tanya looks like and that makes it much easier to visualize as I hear about her adventures and even her misadventures. I don't however know the way that Miracle looks. For instance, is she a blondie like Tanya? Does her hair go past her shoulders? I think she is also 11 years old. Has she come anywhere near puberty? Have her nipples started too develop on her chest or does she have any hair on her vulva? As Grandpa Bob can vouch, Tanya is always telling us about what is going on with her vulva and bottom, particularly during spankings. She has no development whatsoever on her chest, so of course that is never mentioned, but her attention to the other parts when she is being punished or stood for a punishment, is actually kind of funny because she mentioned it so much, LOL. Lots of luck with everything and please don't hesitate to contact Lindsay or Grandpa Bob for anything. I'm happy to chat with you as well, although I'm really just Tanya's good friend. Very best to you and let me know if I can help, Cody [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: curious to Cody [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:19:02 05/03/25 Sat you seem to ask the same questions about the looks of the girls that lindsay asks. from the color of hair and length, to puberty, nipples, hair on her vulva, etc. and you too are pushing for maintenance spankings even though the girl's guardian already expressed no interest in maintenance, that you and lindsay could be one and the same. i have to wonder. why is it if the guardian says she is not interested you two keep suggesting it? lindsay can't even keep up with the 16 parents she is already involved with, let alone the kids themselves having to ask where she is. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Cody to curious [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:31:16 05/03/25 Sat You are pretty funny. I take being confused with Lindsay to be a huge compliment. Not only is she a bunch of years older than I am, she's a lot wiser than I am in my opinion. I think maintenance is working very well for Tanya and all these other girls. That's the only reason that I'm recommending it so strongly. Plus let's face it, Lindsay does a great job in motivating all of these 16 girls and maybe more. Guilty as charged that we are friends, but that's about where the similarity ends. I love her very much and think she's doing a world good here. I understand that she is not too pleased with you, so I would expect you to think oddly of me or any of her friends. Have a good day, Cody [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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