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Subject: Re: A question about privacy


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Jack Boomer
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Date Posted: 19:49:54 03/23/25 Sun
In reply to: Just a Question 's message, "A question about privacy" on 12:08:25 03/23/25 Sun

>How much privacy should children get?
>Do children deserve privacy?

I think it’s difficult to quantify how much privacy children or, really, anyone should have. There are competing interests to all rights, including privacy. In the current era privacy, as it was once understood, is rapidly disappearing as a result of technologies that as a child would have seemed to me to be more like magic than science. The internet and all its privacy pitfalls, the virtual ubiquity of cameras, both public and private, located on nearly every intersection, every building and in nearly everyone’s hands, has reshaped the whole concept privacy and what a reasonable expectation of privacy should be.

That said, I believe that children should be afforded reasonable privacy not inconsistent with their safety and welfare. However, after asserting that children should have reasonable privacy, I am still not able to set out a standard that would apply in most or all circumstances. I suppose that privacy expectations for children must ultimately be decided on a case by case basis, taking into account the child’s age, level of intelligence, maturity and evolving community and family standards.

>Most of us had our shorts pulled down for a spanking
>when we were kids. Was that a violation of our
>privacy?

When I was a boy, In the 1950s and 1960s, having your pants pulled down for a spanking was certainly not considered a violation of your privacy as a child, particularly, if the child’s parents were the ones pulling his pants down. Indeed, no court in the country at that time would have entertained such an argument.

In the 1950s and 1960s, other authority figures such as aunts and uncles, parents of friends, neighbors, teachers and principals, babysitters, and, as I discovered to my chagrin on two occasions, policemen could, under certain circumstances, spank a child without society taking exception to the act. It was considered a social obligation for adults in authority to correct misbehaving children and the child’s privacy expectations, to the degree that they were considered at all, were considered secondary to remedial measures thought to encourage good citizenship and discourage antisocial behavior.

Modern standards have certainly evolved away from the societal expectations of my childhood and that is probably a good thing, but privacy for children and adults is more at risk from larger actors than mere the parents and other adults in authority of my youth. The local cop who spanked my bare behind in public in front of several witnesses really humiliated me, but he didn’t represent the kind of violation of the concept of privacy that spy satellites, internet tracking systems and ubiquitous cameras everywhere currently constitutes to both adults and children.

>What about when we were lounging around the house in
>our underwear and parents snapped a picture? Was that
>a violation of our privacy?

This example is also a question of social expectations and societal mores and morals. As others have observed, running around in your underwear was not considered a question of privacy, at least, not for children under a certain age. When I was young, around three or four years old, my father took me to a private athletic club to which he belonged to teach me to swim. In this club, men’s activities and women’s activities were segregated and, as a result, both men and women swam in the nude. I ran around the pool among the men, all of us nude and unconcerned about nudity. I doubt this situation exists in modern America today.

Taking a photo of a child in his or her underwear was considered cute back then. No one worried about the child’s privacy because no one thought of such a situation as potentially damaging to the child. Today, it may be that such a photo is inappropriate in a society that has learned more about child abuse and exploitation. My mother had many photos of me in the bathtub as a baby and when I was under five years old. These “baby” photos were standard family photo material and most parents took such photos. Today, after infancy, these kinds of photos might well be considered in questionable taste and, perhaps, illegal.

>Is privacy for children a good thing?

Privacy for children is a good thing, but again, I can’t define it.

JB

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Re: A question about privacyJim W00:12:27 03/24/25 Mon
    Re: A question about privacyQuestion for jim08:01:30 03/26/25 Wed


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