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Subject: Re: Aditional thoughts and questions from the student teacher thread


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Jim W to Sonya
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Date Posted: 05:03:44 03/25/25 Tue
In reply to: Sonya 's message, "Re: Aditional thoughts and questions from the student teacher thread" on 21:59:36 03/24/25 Mon

Well, calling Vince and Frankie "friends", might be a little strong of a word. We played with Vince and Frankie, I certainly was never antagonistic with either of them. They were invited over to our house any time the neighborhood kids were over.

Vince might have stayed overnight at our house, I don't specifically remember a time, but it could have happened. Frankie certainly stayed over with Georgie and Michael. (At Mr and Mrs C's house)

It was for Georgie's birthday, and that night, Nicole stayed over at my house.

But the point is that we were all friendly enough, but I wouldn't say that we were friends. Vince and Frankie simply lived right there, at the edge of our property, a couple of houses down from Nicole and Georgie, and their dad worked for the lumberyard.

Even before that incident I wasn't keen to visit their house, as their father wasn't a nice guy. And afterwards, I avoided that house (and their father) like as if he were as dangerous as the puckwudgies.

That particular day, Vince had been with several of us down at the lumber yard. But apparently Vince wasn't allowed to go down there.

I had no way of knowing that.

Further, I'm actually quite sure that I had seen Vince and his brother, Frankie, down at the lumberyard multiple times. And further still, I know that I saw Vince down there AFTER that day.

His father worked down there and I think that Frankie was down there at the time we were being punished. Vince even had an uncle who worked there.

But that was all besides the point.

I WAS allowed down there. There was almost always a member of my family down there, (Father, Grandfather, Uncle, Grandmother, various cousins) I was sent down there on errands from time to time, and I was even taught how to operate several of the machines.

(Not so uncommon in the 70s)

I even had a key to Grandfather's office on a string around my neck. (I had it that day because, like I said, I had just come from the lumber yard.) I tried to explain all this to Mr L, but he just didn't want to hear any of it.

He stripped us both down, pulled out a pair of stools, and made us bend over them. Vince and Frankie were punished with what they called "whuppings" and what I got that day is what I always picture in my mind as the definition of "whupping".

It was the opposite of the technique that they used at the boy's school. At school you drop your shorts, bend over the desk and take 2 to 8 controlled smacks with the horse-stick then it's over.

My parents, as well as Mr and Mrs C all had similar controlled techniques. Mr L, however, he wildly beat our tails something awful with a large leather belt!

And I think he might have actually enjoyed it, with me.

I was screaming at the top of my lungs, as dozens or more repeated hits very quickly flooded my backside. I didn't even know until then that it was possible to handle a belt like that. And for those few minutes, it felt like I was in the depths of Hell with pain just overwhelming me!

After we had both taken our whuppings we were put up standing facing the wall in their living room for an hour, with our pants still down, bottoms on full display, and with hands on our heads.

So no, after all that I never went into their back yard and again. Also whenever I saw Mr L down at the lumber yard, until I was older and more confident I made sure that Father or Grandfather was between me and him.

And when the families all came down for the annual pool party at our house, I simply stayed away from him.

When I was about college age, we were in a room together down in the lumberyard. Mr L made a side remark to me privately, after he thought I was being rude to him.

I shut him up by point-blank telling him that if I were given the lumberyard, he would be laid off. "Immediately!" I reminded him that it was my family that owned this property, and I told him that if he wanted to take this up with my parents he could, but then I would explain to them why I was so afraid of him when I was little.

I asked him what he thought my parents would think about that, if they knew the real reason. He didn't really have an answer.

I don't know for sure that my parents would have come down on him. I don't know if they would have considered what I said to Mr L, to be disrespect. But I do know that he was frightened enough of my parents being told the whole truth, that he never dared going to them with his complaints about me.

I couldn't kick him out of his house. That house was a gift from my Great-grandfather to his father (or grandfather) during the great depression.

There's a story behind that, but the point is that he actually owned it, outright. But there was a chance that his neighbors could all turn against him, and he had nowhere else to go.

But it was less than a year after I confronted him, that he decided to retire from the lumberyard anyway. In all likelihood he's dead now. I never kept track of him after he left.

Georgie still works for my son, and Georgie is still friends with Frankie, but none of that gives me any insight into their family.

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