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] Date Posted:14:42:52 10/14/25 Tue Author Host/IP: 203.190.14.168 In reply to:
Marie
's message, "Re: The Double Standard" on 11:21:52 10/14/25 Tue
The idea of girls being more mature definitely plays into all this. Now I think part of this idea is because it's actually true, girls are usually more mature than boys. A particular example that's coming to my mind right now: when my son was about 10, I was about to give him a bath, we just got inside the bathroom and just then a friend of mine came to pay a surprise visit. She was with her daughter who is my son's age and in the same grade. They stood at the door and we all chatted while I washed my son. My son wasn't at all bothered that he was standing butt naked in front of a girl his age, with everything there for her to see this whole time lol. He just chatted casually like us. Now thinking about the opposite scenario, like me and my boy standing and talking in front of the bathroom while my friend washing the girl, I just can't even imagine it, the girl herself would have never allowed this. So yeah it is true from my experience that girls are more mature than boys about these things. However, I think there's another thing as well, that girls also get encouraged by the moms be more modest. That's why they become body conscious from such an early age. But that's not the case with boys. Not that I remember we moms encouraged the boys to be naked or something, but we just didn't care about their modesty until they themselves asked for. For example, when we visited beaches and it was time to leave, we won't bother taking the boys to changing stalls or anything. We would just make them stand, pull down their trunks, give them a little wash and then give them fresh clothes to wear, all this in open. But for the girls, we would take them to changing stalls with us, and if unavailable, the moms would tell just them change after going home like the adults. This different behavior towards boys and girls definitely played a big part in shaping their mindsets.
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Date Posted:03:04:46 10/15/25 Wed Author Host/IP: 162.199.85.158
Nathalie,in my day, we boys up to age 12 swam nude at the YMCA, and the Olympic size pool had bleachers along the side for spectators to watch practice or competitions. The spectators were mostly moms, since at that time there were more stay at home moms, but it included siblings as well, and yes, siblings definitely included sisters, as well as sisters' friends who might have come along for the entertainment. The double standard was absolute in those times (1960s).
Date Posted:06:14:25 10/15/25 Wed Author Host/IP: 203.190.14.168
The double standard still exists I guess. Maybe not to the extent it used to in those times, as nobody really randomly hangs out naked now. But as I have mentioned so many scenarios, it definitely still exists to a lesser extent from my experience. Or at least it still did about 8-9 years ago when my boy was a kid.
Date Posted:19:01:20 10/16/25 Thu Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
My experience was a little different than Steve at Y. During the summers, I swam in a college program that was more of a comprehensive conditioning camp, incorporating weights and running in addition to pool time from 13-17.
There was a clear double standard, even in our all-boys class. Our assigned swim time was at 7 a.m. when the gym was supposed to be empty. Practice was always nude, and completely normal. The only other person typically there was a female college volunteer who organized schedules and events. Our sessions often ran late, sometimes by 30 minutes, overlapping with the pool's public opening. We just got used to the lack of modesty and would finish our practice while the other lanes started to fill.
After swimming, we had a 30-minute break before weights or calisthenics. We’d walk down a 100-foot hallway to the showers to rinse off the chlorine. The immodesty really continued in the locker room. It wasn't unusual for a few college girls to come into the men's room to use the stalls, or for mothers to bring their young sons in for the next class. A few teens girls were in with younger brother too. On occasion younger girls showered too. It was hippie times and uncool to complain about that.
What surprised me at first, though, wasn't the lack of privacy. It was that you could do the calisthenics nude and team required meets nude to show more confidence.
Date Posted:18:39:07 10/17/25 Fri Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
My double standard was really quite simple.
When under 11 or so when ever we went to beach my mom kept me naked even though I had sister 5 and 7 years older than me dressed. When close to 11 sisters were not around much any more though.
This started early when my friend my age went naked and I just kept doing it and enjoyed it. Sometimes I still dream about it and being naked on beach mile from car with no clothes.
Date Posted:11:16:04 10/18/25 Sat Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
For me, I was more like some described.
I was raised in small community. I was friends with a boy and girl nearby and boy was naked often. I was closer firends with girl and we went everywhere together. I fianlly asked why boy was naked and girl got her mom. They explained they were raising boy naked as healthy and I should too. I thought my mom would get mad but she really was indifferent and said do same at home too.
Date Posted:07:13:50 10/19/25 Sun Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
Back in the day, you'd hear talk about a 'double standard,' I suppose. Folks treated girls a little differently, and left them on a pedestal you could say.
Didn't matter much to me, though. I grew up playing with the same boys and girls in the neighborhood, and that was just how it was. The girls were usually in homemade sundresses and sandals, and us boys ran around in shorts and t-shirts.
In a backyard pool, nobody wore much of anything. It was out at the lake where you'd notice it more. We'd spend the day drifting on a big pontoon boat, and all the little kids would skinny-dip. But once you got to be about eight or so, the girls would get modest, and it was just the boys jumping in and spending day naked. It was no big deal, though; we were all just having fun.
Date Posted:17:21:27 10/20/25 Mon Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
I think it was seen as healthy and easier to to take care of when warm. It was only at home and lakes though.
I did but never saw much objection but certainly a different time.
Date Posted:07:44:50 10/19/25 Sun Author Host/IP: 203.190.14.168
So nudity for boys was seen as healthy?? That's interesting! As much as nudity of boys upto a certain age was common in my family and culture, I don't think any of my friends or sisters thought that it had any added benefit. I guess the closest thing to any benefit was for us boy moms, as a lot of the times things would be much easier for us than for girl moms. For example if boys need to get changed, you don't need to find any private place for them as you can make them naked anywhere. If they need to pee, no need to find any public bathrooms, they can pee anywhere. And let's just say we boy moms always took full advantage of this lol
Date Posted:10:12:38 10/19/25 Sun Author Host/IP: 24.57.206.80
>So nudity for boys was seen as healthy?? That's
>interesting! As much as nudity of boys upto a certain
>age was common in my family and culture, I don't think
>any of my friends or sisters thought that it had any
>added benefit. I guess the closest thing to any
>benefit was for us boy moms, as a lot of the times
>things would be much easier for us than for girl moms.
>For example if boys need to get changed, you don't
>need to find any private place for them as you can
>make them naked anywhere. If they need to pee, no need
>to find any public bathrooms, they can pee anywhere.
>And let's just say we boy moms always took full
>advantage of this lol
in what way did you moms take "full advantage of this lol"? like, what "advantage" is there by having your son naked? did you always oversee your son going pee when he was naked? i'm not being critical, just curious.
Date Posted:11:22:36 10/19/25 Sun Author Host/IP: 203.190.14.168
I was talking about taking advantage of the situations. Like for example, if we are outside and my kid needs to pee. Now if I had a girl, it's a hassle, I would now have to look for a public bathroom. But since I have a boy, it is a lot easier, I can just tell him to pee by the side of the road. No hassle! This is the advantage I was talking about. I explained this in the reply too, so not sure what are you curious about.
Date Posted:15:09:28 10/21/25 Tue Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
I think people today find the topic scandalous but every summer as a boy I saw a dozen boys play naked off and on and more at beaaches. Girls saw penises all summer and grew up well adjusted.
Maybe I was slightly embarassed when closer to 12 and told to what younger boys swim n ocean and still played naked but, I also got over it quickly as place was rural and no one said much of anything about it.
It was a gift to your mom to stop washing clothes.
Date Posted:01:00:45 11/02/25 Sun Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
My double standard was in a gym too!!! lol
When a teen years ago we did training year round in different activities. When weightlifting a bit older, I would take nude swim afterwards or sit in sauna for 20 minutes often.
There was boys with moms in mens room most days. A few girls showered with dads when under 9. One of the female coaches entered boys room all the time
It used to be a boy thing to hang out naked sometimes. We would sit on edge of pool and talk sometimes too for an hour after done.
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