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Subject: Re: Bottomless verses naked Author: spelvin [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:59:02 11/25/25 Tue Author Host/IP: 72.78.201.247 In reply to: Joe 's message, "Bottomless verses naked" on 07:09:16 11/18/25 Tue I just thought of a third explanation: ----The torso symbolizes virility. The rump symbolizes childhood and the tyke-sized penis symbolizes childhood. It’s too bad that Shirtless Robbie (2013) wasn’t around. He might have gotten your shirt off for you. He has encouraged his boys to go outside shirtless in warm weather in an effort to help the boys “be comfortable in their skin and develop a positive body image.” When dressing a boy of toddler age in warm weather, he advocates leaving off the boy’s shirt. Robbie believes that fathers should exemplify shirtlessness at home, especially when playfighting with the children, and in performing yard labor. Furthermore, Robbie encourages fathers to enroll their sons in athletic activities where shirtless peers will set an example. A couple of respondents on the quora site have related the torso with masculinity. Habib Ansari (2015) wrote: “Boys . . . seduce with their muscular power, which is mostly in the upper part of the body, i.e., chest, shoulder, biceps.” Robert F. Valerio (2012) wrote: “For men, the emphasis is longer torso, preferably in an inverted triangle with broad shoulders and a narrow waist.” Now to talk about rumps: If you remember the pre-hysteria days, you may remember that family photo albums abounded with pictures of babies’ bottoms. When images of dorsal views of children got published, nobody was shocked. Bayley (1956) noted that children have proportionately larger and rounder rumps than adults. Lorenz (1956, v. 1: 222-223) offered an explanation of why children evolved that way: they’re easily portable that way. That’s why everybody loves little children’s bottoms. Dave (2019, Voy 223876) had a babysitter who frequently patted him on the bottom and told him that he had a cute butt. Dennis (2019, Voy 223876) had a teenage babysitter who said, “You boys have such cute little behinds.” In France, it is customary for nurses giving penicillin shots to children to say, “Honey, you had very cute buttocks.” (jean the Frenchie 2020, Voy 223876) When kid star Shirley Temple visited nursing homes, the elderly residents made such comments as “What a cute bottom!” She later wrote in her autobiography (Black 1988: 392 in hardback, 396 in paperback), “I would have preferred their attention on the front, but whatever made them happy was acceptable to me.” A child’s bottom could serve not only as a conversation piece, but an exhibit. Until Sam (2018, Voy 223876) was 12 years old, his mother would pull down his pants and his underpants to proudly show his rump to her friends. Now to talk about tyke-sized penises: On as trip to the Philippines, Victoria (2020, Voy 223876) saw an annual race in which preadolescent boys competed nude. She wrote, “I must admit it was cute seeing their tiny penises as they stood waiting to start the race.” A little boy's penis with an erection could be even cuter. According to mrs. ladybird (2020, Voy 223876), “an involuntary pre-puberty erection looks much more innocent and cute than the erection of a 14-15 year old, well into puberty.” When Abe (2020, Voy 223876) was 9 years old, he and his 8-year-old cousin had to stand in the bathtub with erections while his aunt snapped pictures to show to her friends. Ansari, H. 2015. [untitled message]. (May 10). https://www.quora.com/Why-are-women’s-shorts-shorter-than-mens-shorts Bayley, N. 1956. Individual patterns of development. Child Development 27: 45-74. Black, S. T. 1988. Child star: An autobiography. New York: McGraw-Hill. Lorenz, K. 1956. Interviewed in Tanner, J. M. & Inhelder, B., eds. Discussions on child development: The proceedings of the first meeting of the World Health Organization Study Group on the Psychobiological Development of the Child, Geneva, 1953. New York: International Universities Press. Shirtless Robbie. 2013. Raising sons. http://shirtlessfreedom.blogspot.com/search/label/children Valerio, R. F. 2012b. [untitled message]. (July 21). https://www.quora.com/Why-are-women%E2%80%99s-shorts-shorter-than-mens-shorts [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Bottomless verses naked Author: spelvin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:17:02 12/15/25 Mon Author Host/IP: 72.78.201.247 Here is an excerpt from a message written by Abhi, recounting his childhood in a village in India: ..................... Mami [Abhi's aunt] changed one routine compared to my grandmother... When I returned home, she would give me only a T-shirt to wear that reached my waist, but nothing underneath. As a result, my penis and buttocks remained only half-covered. And if I raised my hands even slightly, everything would be exposed. I felt even more shy being pantless like this than being completely naked; but if I mentioned it to Mami, she would say, 'Oh please, everyone inside and outside has seen everything already. You are just a child... why are you so shy?' A girl named Tina Didi, who was three years older than me, lived in the house next door. She would occasionally come to our house. Because she saw me wearing just a T-shirt without pants like that, she treated me like an even smaller child. If I tried to say anything to her, she would say, 'You walk around without pants in front of girls and yet you talk back to me? Don't you know I am older than you? Just shut up and do as I say.' [ Post a Reply to This Message ]