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>>>>>>>>>Dear Anna,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I apologize for not replying to so long. The
>>>>>holiday
>>>>>>>>>period has just been so busy!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>To answer your questions about my son's
>shaving,
>>>>>>>>>sometimes his siblings do see, but usually not.
>>>We
>>>>>>>>>used to shave him in the bathroom, but we
>>>realised
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>is easiest if he can lie on his back and put
>his
>>>>>>legs
>>>>>>>>>and arms in the air, so more recently we have
>>>been
>>>>>>>>>using the kitchen table. So yes, normally it is
>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>>the two of us, but occasionally someone will
>>walk
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>to get a snack or a glass of water. About any
>>>>>>>>>embarrassment, he is used to the routine, so he
>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>gets embarrassed if someone walks in or if I
>>make
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>comment (the usual "Moooom!").
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm sorry your son was teased in the shower. It
>>>>>>>sounds
>>>>>>>>>like you gave him good advise to handle
>>>situations
>>>>>>>>>like that going forwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I hope you are having a happy holiday and New
>>>>Year.
>>>>>>>>>How are your boys? I would love to hear back
>>from
>>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>>>>:-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dear Ivana,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's so nice to hear from you again!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There's no need to apologize. I also sometimes
>>>have
>>>>>>>>days full of work and family commitments and
>>don't
>>>>>>>>have time to log on to the forum.
>>>>>>>>And with the holidays, I've also been very busy
>>>>with
>>>>>>>>preparations, so I haven't been very active
>>>online.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We usually do it in the bathroom too. Apart from
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>first time, which I've already described, and
>the
>>>>>>>>subsequent time when my younger brother wanted
>to
>>>>>>>>watch the whole shaving process and asked
>>>questions
>>>>>>>>and made comments, from the third time onwards
>>>it's
>>>>>>>>always just been the two of us. I don't mind, in
>>>>>>fact,
>>>>>>>>I prefer it, so I can use this intimate moment
>to
>>>>>>talk
>>>>>>>>to him and strengthen our bond since it's just
>>the
>>>>>>two
>>>>>>>>of us. I thought I would have more difficulty
>>>>>>>>convincing him to get shaved, but he's
>>practically
>>>>>>>>already gotten used to it and lets me do the job
>>>>>>>>without complaining; in fact, he's quite
>>>>willing…
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>wouldn't have bet two cents on it…
>>>>>>>>I'm glad that, even though he's older than my
>>son,
>>>>>>>>he's used to you and doesn't feel embarrassed
>>>>around
>>>>>>>>you… Your son is very well-behaved.
>>>>>>>>The idea of using the kitchen table is
>>>>>>>>interesting… I might try that with my son next
>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Unfortunately, there's always some silly kid
>>>>around.
>>>>>>>>However, he told me that after the first two or
>>>>>three
>>>>>>>>times, nobody makes fun of him anymore in the
>>>>>shower.
>>>>>>>>I'm very happy about that. Thank you for your
>>kind
>>>>>>>>words.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My children are doing very well, thank you! And
>>>>>>yours?
>>>>>>>>Since our last post, my eldest son has turned
>13.
>>>>>For
>>>>>>>>these holidays, first, we spent a few days in
>the
>>>>>>>>mountains, then we celebrated New Year's Eve at
>>>our
>>>>>>>>house with my brother, his wife, and their two
>>>>>>>>children who came over for dinner. My two sons
>>and
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>nephew, as usual, were naked. They only had a
>>>>>>colorful
>>>>>>>>paper hat on their heads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear Anna. Happy birthday to your son. Thirteen
>is
>>>a
>>>>>>>big year, his first as a teenager. I'm glad you
>>and
>>>>>>>the family have had some time to relax during the
>>>>>>>holidays. Our family enjoys the mountains too. We
>>>>>>>often go hiking. Of course, the boys hike in the
>>>>>nude.
>>>>>>>It's a little cold this time of year, but the
>boys
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>used to it. How was your time in the mountains?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On shaving, we really do find the kitchen table
>to
>>>>be
>>>>>>>much more convenient than anywhere else. Let me
>>>know
>>>>>>>how it goes if you decide to try it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you for the lovely image of your sons and
>>>>>nephew
>>>>>>>wearing nothing except for their colourful party
>>>>>hats.
>>>>>>>Our boys have been naked for the holidays too. We
>>>>>>>spent Christmas at my parents' house. Since my
>>>>>parents
>>>>>>>live a six hour drive away, we stayed for four
>>>>>nights.
>>>>>>>Of course we didn't pack any clothes for the
>boys,
>>>>so
>>>>>>>they were naked for the whole trip. All the
>family
>>>>>was
>>>>>>>there, from my aunts and uncles down to my nieces
>>>>and
>>>>>>>nephews. Our boys were the only ones naked as
>>>usual.
>>>>>>>My eldest at one point got a bit embarrassed
>since
>>>>>>>there were many people there he didn't know, and
>>he
>>>>>>>asked if he could put on some underwear, but I
>>>>>>>reminded him that unfortunately we had packed no
>>>>>>>clothes for him. In any case he seemed to have
>>>>>relaxed
>>>>>>>not long after.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The boys are doing well. Lots of Christmas
>>presents
>>>>>>>and time with friends and family, and not a piece
>>>of
>>>>>>>clothing worn. What did your kids get for
>>>Christmas?
>>>>>>>Soon it will be back to school and back to
>wearing
>>>>>>>clothes for the boys, at least during the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Ivana,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you so much for the birthday wishes for my
>>>son.
>>>>>>Yes, thirteen years old is a big year, his first
>as
>>>a
>>>>>>teenager.
>>>>>>To think that it seems like he was born
>>Yesterday…
>>>>>>how fast time flies… but for me he will always
>>>>>>remain my "little boy"… lol… now that he's
>>>>shaved,
>>>>>>he still looks "little boy" even though his penis
>>>>>>isn't so "little" anymore… lol…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We also enjoy hiking in the mountains. In the
>>>summer,
>>>>>>we often go hiking, and of course, my two boys
>also
>>>>>>hike naked. Unfortunately, it's not allowed
>>>>everywhere
>>>>>>in Italy; it's a bigoted country with bigoted
>laws,
>>>>so
>>>>>>you have to look for trails or mountains where
>it's
>>>>>>permitted (clothing optional hikes). We now know
>>>>which
>>>>>>ones and where they are, and we go there. There
>are
>>>>>>only a few places where it's permitted to hike
>>>naked,
>>>>>>so we often return to the same places, but that's
>>>>>>fine, the important thing is to be outdoors and do
>>>>>>some exercise away from the city. In the mountains
>>>>>>"not too far" from our home, it's quite cold at
>>this
>>>>>>time of year. (this week we've had temperatures
>>>>>>between -10 and +1 degrees Celsius), too cold to
>be
>>>>>>naked outdoors while hiking (we'll have to wait
>>>until
>>>>>>late spring/summer). We went skiing. There was a
>>lot
>>>>>>of snow, perfect slopes, and the boys had a great
>>>>>time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On shaving, I've decided to try the kitchen table
>>>>>>method. He doesn't need it right now, but I think
>>>>I'll
>>>>>>have to shave him next week. I'll definitely try
>it
>>>>>>and let you know. Thanks for the suggestion for
>>now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We have many similar rituals then… even your
>boys
>>>>>>stay naked during the holidays. In fact, the three
>>>of
>>>>>>them were very very cute and adorable, wearing
>>>>nothing
>>>>>>except for their colourful party hats. It's a
>shame
>>>>>>that your boys are the only ones who are naked; at
>>>>>>least mine have their male cousin (my nephew) with
>>>>>>them. You should convince your nephews to try it,
>>>>even
>>>>>>just once… I think they would like it… They
>>>might
>>>>>>be a little embarrassed at first, but then they
>>>would
>>>>>>get used to it and enjoy it. How old are your
>>nieces
>>>>>>and nephews? Did you make them stay naked even
>>>during
>>>>>>the six-hour car journey to your parents' house,
>or
>>>>>>were they dressed during the journey and only
>naked
>>>>at
>>>>>>their grandparents' house? Were the people your
>>>>eldest
>>>>>>son didn't know adults or teenagers? You did very
>>>>well
>>>>>>not to pack any clothes in the suitcase for the
>>>boys.
>>>>>>Otherwise, your eldest son would have insisted on
>>>>>>wearing his underwear. Instead, he was "forced" to
>>>>>>remain naked, but as you wrote, he seemed to have
>>>>>>relaxed not long after. The boys should actually
>be
>>>>>>naked: no pajamas, no underwear, no clothes at
>>all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As gifts, my children received useful things
>>(shoes,
>>>>>>trousers and sweaters… for when they go to
>school
>>>>>>– they don't need them at home, lol…) and then
>>>>>>toys. They love Lego, so they each received a set:
>>>>The
>>>>>>Fire Knight Mech (from the Ninjago series) and The
>>>>>>Imperial Star Destroyer (from the Star Wars
>>series),
>>>>>>and two games for the PlayStation 5. What did your
>>>>>>boys get for Christmas? Here in Italy, students
>>will
>>>>>>return to school on January 7th. Unfortunately for
>>>>>>them, only a few days remain; the holidays are
>>>almost
>>>>>>over… And yes, they'll have to get dressed, but
>>>>only
>>>>>>in the morning, because as soon as they get home,
>>>the
>>>>>>ritual hasn't changed: all the clothes come off
>>>>>>immediately!
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Anna,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, the boys were naked for the 6 hour journey,
>>>since
>>>>>we didn't pack any clothes for them. As you said,
>>I'm
>>>>>glad we didn't pack any, since it meant our eldest
>>>was
>>>>>completely naked for the whole trip, not even
>having
>>>>>the option of wearing clothes! The people my kids
>>>>>didn't know were mostly my cousins and their
>>>children.
>>>>>So a mix of ages, some adults, some kids, some
>>teens.
>>>>>But also my parents' friends and their kids and
>>>>>grandkids came to visit at times. Some came to stay
>>>>>for dinner a few days after Christmas. I think my
>>>>>eldest was a bit embarrassed because he had a crush
>>>on
>>>>>one of the girls his age. Unfortunately, convincing
>>>my
>>>>>nieces and nephews to try going naked is unlikely.
>>>>>Sometimes the youngest few (around 6 or 7) will go
>>>>>naked at the pool in summer. But for now our boys
>>are
>>>>>the only true nudists in the family.
>>>>>
>>>>>Skiing sounds like good fun! It's a shame the boys
>>>>>can't do it naked. Even when it's cold, my boys
>>enjoy
>>>>>naked snowball fights. Have your boys ever done the
>>>>>same? It makes sense unfortunately that you have to
>>>>>find clothing optional hikes for the boys.
>Sometimes
>>>>>we get funny looks when the boys get out of the car
>>>>>naked at the hiking trail. But I don't care, they
>>are
>>>>>allowed to hike naked and people should mind their
>>>own
>>>>>business!
>>>>>
>>>>>My kids received lots of clothes as well, go
>figure.
>>>>>We got our two younger boys a K'Nex set and a
>>>Nintendo
>>>>>game each. Our eldest plays guitar so we bought him
>>a
>>>>>new case and set of strings, and a polaroid camera
>>>>>since he's been asking for one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Ivana,
>>>>
>>>>I'm so glad to hear your boys were naked during the
>>>>car ride. That's what I'd like to do with my own two
>>>>sons.
>>>>Unfortunately, here in Italy, leaving your house
>>naked
>>>>to get into a car, traveling naked, and then getting
>>>>out of the car naked at your destination is not
>>>>allowed. If we did so, we would be charged with
>>>>"indecent exposure in a public place". As I wrote to
>>>>you last time, it's a bigoted country with bigoted
>>>>laws! Perhaps you could start from a secluded house
>>in
>>>>the countryside/mountains where no one sees you and
>>>>end up at a nudist campsite. But along the way
>>someone
>>>>looked at them strangely (but I don't care, like
>you)
>>>>but it would be a problem if they alerted the police
>>>>or child protection. I think there's nothing wrong
>>>>with letting your boys be naked, but according to
>>>>Italian law, it's only allowed in your own home or
>on
>>>>nudist beaches or "clothing optional" hiking
>>trails...
>>>>I completely disagree, but I'll go along with it. I
>>>>totally agree with you when you write "people should
>>>>mind their own business!".
>>>>The idea of having your nieces and nephews
>>naked
>>>>was simply to make your sons feel more comfortable
>>and
>>>>to give your nieces and nephews an experience that,
>>>>while it might be embarrassing at first, will
>>>>ultimately boost their self-esteem and they'll
>>>>definitely enjoy it. But I understand that every
>>>>family has its own rules, and it's not right to
>>>>interfere. Sorry!
>>>>I asked you the ages of the people your eldest son
>>>>didn't know, just to see if his embarrassment was
>>>>understandable (in part) or excessive. If they had
>>all
>>>>been adults it would certainly have been excessive
>>and
>>>>senseless, if they had only been boys even in this
>>>>case it was probably excessive and senseless, mixed
>>>>age and mixed sex is a little more understandable,
>>>>even if unmotivated. He must always be comfortable
>>>>with his naked body, regardless of who is looking at
>>>>him! But if he had a crush on one of the girls his
>>>>age, that's more understandable... Poor guy! I'm
>>sure
>>>>the girl would have appreciated him being naked, but
>>>>if I were her, I would have done it... When friends
>>or
>>>>acquaintances come to our house to visit (whether
>>they
>>>>are alone or with their children), my boys are left
>>>>naked so I have to agree with how you handled the
>>>>situation.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, skiing is great fun! The boys, and my husband
>>and
>>>>I, have a blast! It would be interesting to try
>>skiing
>>>>naked, but it's illegal here, and with temperatures
>>of
>>>>-10°C and the speed of the descent, they'd arrive
>>>>back down frozen like popsicles... lol... Having
>>>>snowball fights naked is a different matter... that
>>>>could be done if you had a private yard. We live in
>a
>>>>city apartment building with no yard, but my parents
>>>>live in the country, with a large private yard
>>(though
>>>>partially visible from the street and partially
>>>>protected by a tall hedge), and when my children
>stay
>>>>at their grandparents' house, they play naked not
>>only
>>>>indoors but also outside in the yard. When your kids
>>>>have a snowball fight, do the neighbors see them?
>>>>Don't they say anything? Lucky you, I wish it were
>>>>that way here too...
>>>>
>>>>So useful gifts (clothes) (even if not at home,
>>>>lol...) and toys, like us... nice K'Nex sets! It's
>>>>great to know how to play guitar! I'm terrible at
>it,
>>>>but my husband is good... It's a beautiful passion,
>I
>>>>hope for his sake he continues to play...
>>>>
>>>>As I wrote last time, school starts again tomorrow,
>>>>January 7th, after the Christmas holidays. When does
>>>>it start where you are?
>>>
>>>Dear Anna,
>>>
>>>I'm sorry things seem so restrictive in Italy. I'm
>>>glad your children nonetheless get to experience the
>>>joys of being naked as much as they can.
>>>
>>>We live in a very rural area, so no neighbours can
>see
>>>our yard. And regardless, attitudes here are very
>>>relaxed. I doubt anyone would say anything if they
>>>happened to see some kids playing naked on their own
>>>property. Especially during the summer when it is
>hot.
>>>Given the time of year, and the age of our boys, yes
>>>it might be more unusual, but still I doubt anyone
>>>would mind. I understand it is different in cities
>and
>>>towns. There is a wooded area with a stream behind
>our
>>>property, and the boys often play and explore there,
>>>naked of course. I'm glad you agree that others
>should
>>>mind their own business!
>>>
>>>No need to apologize about asking about my nieces and
>>>nephews. It's just that unfortunately their parents
>>>(my siblings and my husband's siblings) do not allow
>>>them to go naked often. And we have to respect their
>>>wishes of course. About my son's embarrassment during
>>>the holidays, I agree completely with what you said:
>>>"he must always be comfortable with his naked body,
>>>regardless of who is looking at him". This is the
>>>attitude we have tried to encourage in our boys. We
>>>try to remind them that there's no need to be
>>>embarrassed about silly things like butts and
>penises.
>>>
>>>About skiing, that all makes sense. I suppose it
>would
>>>be quite cold! I just thought it was a nice mental
>>>image, boys skating down the side of a mountain,
>>>completely naked and free except for their ski boots
>>>and skis, feeling the rush of wind and snow on their
>>>bare skins and letting their body parts hang freely
>in
>>>the breeze without a care in the world. All before
>>>reaching the bottom and taking the ski lift to do it
>>>all again. But I can imagine it could be too cold.
>But
>>>you should have your boys try going out naked in the
>>>snow if you can. You will have to judge if it is too
>>>cold for them, but our boys always enjoy it,
>>>especially with a hot cocoa afterwards. One adapts to
>>>the cold quicker than you might think!
>>>
>>>Yes, my eldest is getting quite good at the guitar.
>He
>>>loves rock music, and likes a lot of the same music
>>>that my husband likes, as well as some newer music
>his
>>>friends introduced him to. We have a tutor come to
>the
>>>house every week to teach him, since the school does
>>>not offer lessons. Of course, he wants to be a rock
>>>star when he grows up!
>>>
>>>School started again for the boys on Monday. So their
>>>naked holiday has come to an end. But of course, as
>>>soon as they are home, the clothes still all come
>off!
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Ivana,
>>
>>How I envy you… I would also love to live in a rural
>>area and have a yard around where my sons could play
>>freely and naked. Unfortunately, living in an
>>apartment building in the center of a large city has
>>the advantages of nearby services, schools, hospitals,
>>libraries, and gyms, but the disadvantage of little
>>greenery, little privacy, and little freedom… I
>>would much rather live like you.
>>
>>Regarding your nieces and nephews, I understand
>>perfectly and I agree with you: we must respect the
>>wishes and choices of their parents. As I wrote last
>>time, I didn't want you to interfere in their choices;
>>I just wanted to understand if they needed a little
>>encouragement (because I believe they are missing out
>>on a very valuable and formative opportunity for their
>>personality and future character development) or if it
>>was something unthinkable for them. Now it's clear to
>>me, thank you. I'm glad you agree that "he must always
>>be comfortable with his naked body, regardless of who
>>is looking at him". Because that's exactly what we're
>>trying to teach our two sons. They should consider
>>their butts and penises like any other part of their
>>body, such as a hand, a foot, a knee, or an arm. My
>>husband and I are very proud because, on most
>>occasions, even with friends or people they've never
>>met, and even when accompanied by their children, they
>>feel comfortable. Of course, there are occasional
>>moments of awkwardness, but they are very rare and
>>short-lived.
>>
>>About skiing, you're absolutely right: it's a
>>beautiful mental image. I'm trying to imagine it right
>>now, and it would be wonderful! It would be fantastic
>>if my sons could do that. It's a real shame that it's
>>not possible! We've never tried letting them play
>>naked in the snow. The next time it snows, we could go
>>to my parents' house and try it there. My parents
>>would be against it, for fear that the children would
>>catch a cold and get sick… but I think it would be
>>fun to try…
>>
>>Music is a wonderful passion, and the guitar is a
>>powerful instrument… It can be sweet and harsh,
>>romantic or rock… I'm glad your son is good at
>>playing it and is studying it weekly. Let's hope he
>>manages to fulfill his dream and become a famous rock
>>star
>
>Dear Anna,
>
>I'm glad you're teaching your sons to have a healthy
>and open attitude towards their bodies, to "consider
>their butts and penises like any other part of their
>body, such as a hand, a foot, a knee, or an arm". It's
>clear your sons have really understood this, from the
>fact (as you told Scamptoo) that your son stood
>politely without complaining or moving away as his
>aunt and cousin inspected and caressed his pubic area
>and held his penis. As you said, he has been naked in
>front of them hundreds of times, so there should be no
>embarrassment. Of course there was nothing sexual
>about it, even if your son's penis did harden very
>slightly (a natural response!). I don't even see it as
>particularly intimate. If we really teach our boys
>that their penises and butts are just like any other
>body parts (like arms or legs), not to be hidden away
>or to be embarrassed about, then that moment between
>your son and his cousin and aunt is really no
>different than your aunt complementing your son on
>having a nice haircut, or shaking his hand, or holding
>his hand to complement his nails if he had them
>painted, to give some examples. All completely normal
>things, even if a teenager might blush a little bit at
>any such complement!
>
>This can all be difficult of course when boys are
>forever being told that being naked is shameful, by
>school, by the government, by the media, and so on. My
>middle boy told me that in the changing room in
>school, most boys bring a towel to hide behind while
>they change. He does not understand why his classmates
>are all so worried about other boys seeing their butt
>cheeks and penises, normal things that all boys have!
>He told me that he pointed this out one time, and was
>teased for "being gay" (they used more colourful
>language of course). Likewise, when my eldest started
>sexual education at school, he told me he already knew
>far more than anyone else in his class, which
>surprised me at the time since in my opinion it's a
>mother's job to teach their children about these
>things! We have never hidden the facts of life from
>them, from talking about puberty and how their bodies
>will change, to answering questions they have asked
>about body hair and condoms and masturbation. I know
>some parents find these discussions uncomfortable, but
>I believe it's my duty as a mother to ensure my
>children are knowledgeable about the facts of life.
>
>In any case, I'm glad your boys, like mine, are
>comfortable being naked, even around strangers.
Dear Ivana,
Sorry for the delay in responding, but these have been very busy days, both at work and with family issues. Anyway, here I am now.
Thank you so much for your kind words, which support me in this educational choice my husband and I are making.
I had the opportunity to talk to my son about it after my post, and he confirmed what you wrote. He hadn't noticed he was blushing because he wasn't embarrassed by what his aunt was doing and saying. The fact that his aunt and then her cousin caressed his pubic area, feeling how smooth and soft it was, felt to him as if they were touching his leg or arm. That's what he told me. He was comfortable and not at all embarrassed. He was embarrassed by the compliments, not by the touches. He would have blushed even if someone had told him he looked better with his new haircut or because he'd grown taller. Another source of slight, very slight, embarrassment was his cousin's gesture on his penis. They usually play naked, but she doesn't touch his genitals; it was something unexpected that surprised him. But no problem, and no real embarrassment. A blush from the compliments and surprise, which I had interpreted as embarrassment. But he told me he was comfortable.
What your middle boy told you surprises me a little (but not too much) and makes me sad (for them). This excessive modesty and shame among classmates makes absolutely no sense, especially given their young age! It's incredible how cultural, social, scholastic, family and social media conditioning can end up making boys feel so uncomfortable! Poor things! I feel so sorry for them! Comfort your son, give him a hug from me, and tell him not to listen to those silly boys! He's certainly not gay because he's naked in the locker room (and in any case, there would be nothing wrong with your son being gay). And associating nudity with being gay speaks volumes about how much kids today are learning from their environment. It's better if I don't comment further.
My husband and I have also talked about these topics with our children. We've never been embarrassed to do so openly with them, ever since they were old enough to understand. We started even when they were very young, using age-appropriate terms, and as they grew older, we explained everything to them: puberty, masturbation, the male and female body, the changing body... We also believe that early education on these topics should take place within the family, and sex education classes at school are also very helpful.
Thank you! I'm also glad that my boys, like yours, are comfortable being naked, even around strangers. I think this should be the norm, not the attitude of your middle boy's classmates!
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