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Subject: Re: Naked at home Author: spelvin (to Rob) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 02:24:38 03/27/26 Fri Author Host/IP: 108.16.250.89 In reply to: Rob 's message, "Re: Naked at home" on 10:55:55 03/26/26 Thu There has also been a second reason why boy nudity was more acceptable than girl nudity: girls were seen as frail and fragile and boys were seen as strong and confident. Therefore, went the argument, girls were in greater need of protection. Now that Stranger Danger emerged, boys need protection too. Our species was not alone in this double standard. Among the ape species, adults of both genders are more protective toward female infants than toward male infants (Itani 1963; Kummer 1967). When asked why naked boys appear in movies more often than naked girls, Mevertis (2018, Voy 2238768) suggested that boys were seen as carnivorous animals. We don’t protect wolves from sheep but we protect sheep from wolves. Likewise, goes the analogy, we don’t protect boys from girls but we protect girls from boys. Linda (2018, dead link) defends the double standard: "In my view, I think men should be entitled to be naked when swimming or on the beach or other decent occasions that nudity is expected. After all, males are different from females. If a female is naked in public, she exposes herself to male raping; on the other hand, men don’t have this concern. I sometimes wonder why men need the equal modesty as females." Boys have cooperated in this double standard. Willy (2019, Voy 223876) was allowed to appear nude at home, but “would not of wanted my sisters to be nude.” He believed that “it was only fair for girls to be afforded more modesty.” In his opinion, “being nude was a boy only thing as we boys are stronger that it would be far too embarrassing for the girls to be nude.” Stan (2019, Voy 223876) appeared nude both at home and at swim meets. From the age of about 14, he had protective feelings about his sisters: "I wouldn't want strangers look at my sisters like that. It was the big brother in me to keep my sisters safe and not wanting anyone to look at my sisters like that. So I am in agreement that I have no problem keeping my sisters clothed and not naked, especially in front of strangers. I never felt jealousy of why not girls be nude at the swimming events like us boys." According to Rob (2019, Voy 223876), “Girls’ modesty was protected from the prying eyes of males, while it did not matter for boys to be seen naked by females. Males were always the predators so female modesty had to be protected from a young age, while girls seeing nude boys was harmless.” Could you, by any chance, be the same Rob? Itani, J. 1959. Paternal care in the wild Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata fuscata. Primates 2: 61-93. Kummer, H. 1967. Tripartite relations in Hamadryas baboons. In Altmann, S., ed. Social communications among primates. Chicago: University of Chicago Press: 63-71. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Naked at home Author: Rob to Spelvin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:23:47 03/27/26 Fri Author Host/IP: 188.172.75.174 >There has also been a second reason why boy nudity was >more acceptable than girl nudity: girls were seen as >frail and fragile and boys were seen as strong and >confident. >Therefore, went the argument, girls were in greater >need of protection. > >Now that Stranger Danger emerged, boys need protection >too. > >Our species was not alone in this double standard. >Among the ape species, adults of both genders are more >protective toward female infants than toward male >infants (Itani 1963; Kummer 1967). > >When asked why naked boys appear in movies more often >than naked girls, Mevertis (2018, Voy 2238768) >suggested that boys were seen as carnivorous animals. >We don’t protect wolves from sheep but we protect >sheep from wolves. Likewise, goes the analogy, we >don’t protect boys from girls but we protect girls >from boys. > >Linda (2018, dead link) defends the double standard: > >"In my view, I think men should be entitled to be >naked when swimming or on the beach or other decent >occasions that nudity is expected. After all, males >are different from females. If a female is naked in >public, she exposes herself to male raping; on the >other hand, men don’t have this concern. I sometimes >wonder why men need the equal modesty as females." > >Boys have cooperated in this double standard. Willy >(2019, Voy 223876) was allowed to appear nude at home, >but “would not of wanted my sisters to be nude.” >He believed that “it was only fair for girls to be >afforded more modesty.” In his opinion, “being >nude was a boy only thing as we boys are stronger that >it would be far too embarrassing for the girls to be >nude.” > >Stan (2019, Voy 223876) appeared nude both at home and >at swim meets. From the age of about 14, he had >protective feelings about his sisters: > >"I wouldn't want strangers look at my sisters like >that. It was the big brother in me to keep my sisters >safe and not wanting anyone to look at my sisters like >that. So I am in agreement that I have no problem >keeping my sisters clothed and not naked, especially >in front of strangers. I never felt jealousy of why >not girls be nude at the swimming events like us >boys." > >According to Rob (2019, Voy 223876), “Girls’ >modesty was protected from the prying eyes of males, >while it did not matter for boys to be seen naked by >females. Males were always the predators so female >modesty had to be protected from a young age, while >girls seeing nude boys was harmless.” > >Could you, by any chance, be the same Rob? I am not sure but it could have been me because it expresses the same opinions and observations that I have have. I also agree with Willy and others you have mentioned here that boys were over-protective of their sisters and didn't want other males to see them naked, while with boys it did not matter who saw them naked. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]