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Date Posted: 17:05:18 03/30/03 Sun
Author: ASEtech
Subject: '04 GTO think outside the box

Since the autoshow circuit started this year forums like this have been littered with magazine racers narratively expressing their opionions on what a GTO should be. But when it comes down to it, GTO name is quite ambigous and was stollen from ferrari. Why is it that every american performance car HAS to be extremely expensive EXOTIC and seat the least amount of people possible. Their IS NO american muscle car sedan beyond the maruder (which is civilians versions of a cop car) sold in america. GM Holden has proven its self successful beyond the FWD loving detroit bean counters. No retro car leads sales infact most have possibly forsee their end, PT cruiser and thunderbird, people look at these cars and say damn thats cool but I have no reason to own one. The point of the Pontiac GTO is a practicle everyday driver a car that doesn't need gimiky hood scoops or oversized dual outlet exhaust to show its prowess. I want one and if you don't act lame, see what happens when the GTO gets to the dealers.

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[> Re: '04 GTO think outside the box -- anthony mansour, 16:10:45 05/06/03 Tue

if a badge at best represents simply a time and place (ie relic of such)... or even more so ambiguity, why ponder the difference?... true to any heritage, an era is not indifferent to the 'wheels' on which it was founded, nor on which it was branded... as testimony, pt crusiers and thunderbirds alike suffice (but not before warranting a limited number of output) for any 'bean counters argument' and whilst not bread and butter vehicles of their respective margques, accounts aside, their exotic air lends them to the specailized ends of the market where this in fact is the hallmark of having captured the past in ambue of the present (comply compromise emissions etc)- something that very few vehicles today 'out of the box' could stand to muster but rather lay lit on the dust bins of what used to be a design for a concept. the 04 could quite considerably have sufficed for the initial gto, but would it have been a gto that provides an impetus for such comparison today. hasnt the precedent been set?...sure, you can learn from history but can you change it... or is this to, ambiguous... as for hoodscoops, sidepipes and other frivilous items, a minivan can be just as optional in the sense it is as every bit as practical for wanting to contribute to the sales volume of, or anything else for that matter, of something simply for the sake of being marginal.

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[> [> Re: '04 GTO think outside the box -- ThirdPersonPlural, 14:21:57 09/18/03 Thu

Wasn't the original GTO significant because it mated exceptional power with a standard, midsized body? Isn't that the heritage of the GTO icon?

Now we have a plain jane midsized sedan (country of manufacture is unimportant in today's global village) with a serious performance motor coming out as a GTO and there is dissent?

Why?

Because it's not all swoopy and raced out? Was the 1964 swoopy and raced out? Hell, no! it had a badge and a killer motor and that was what made it so cool.

I wish that all of those folks who feel that flaming chickens and flashy scoops are critical to a GTO would take a long look at the first ones out that made the Goat a legend.

Nuff said. When is the convertible coming out?

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[> Re: '04 GTO think outside the box -- Jeremy Campbell, 11:53:21 11/25/04 Thu

Just bought a 04 GTO 1 week ago and people on the street fear it. They speed through traffic to get next to it and when they see the badges it is a whole new story. My buddy has a SRT-4 and he raced me and i crushed it. I had it dynoed stock and it pulled 311.4 hp at the rear and 327.1 ft-lbs of torque. Even with all the power it still rides very well. Next GTO supposedly LS-2 with 405 hp.