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Date Posted: 19:55:07 12/19/11 Mon
Author: George
Subject: Secrecy -- the sine qua non of alcoholism and of ecclesiastical piracy
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Rebuttal: Was: Apostasy Continues to Share the Misery" on 10:26:24 12/19/11 Mon

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>>>>I mentioned the above news item today at work. A
>>>>coworker told me that her stepmother's sister
>>attended
>>>>the church mentioned in the news item. She said that
>>>>the church was indeed in danger of losing the
>>>>building, but that it was not true that the
>>>>former pastor had sold it. She said that the man
>had
>>>>a stroke and only recently got out of the hospital.
>>>>
>>>>So the news item may not be correct as given. I
>guess
>>>>how much weight is given to either version depends
>on
>>>>whether you like internet rumors, or television
>news.
>>>>
>>>>George
>>>
>>>And isn't it amazing that even the members of the
>>>church will deny the evidence? Kind of reminds me of
>>>the accusations of rumour mongering whenever true
>>>facts begin to come to light. Just can't face it
>>maybe?
>>>
>>>Lois
>>>
>>>
>>>THE SILENCING OF RICHARD PRICE
>>>Transcript of tape recording of "settlement
>>>conference" with O.C. Hinson March 12th, 1985
>>>O.C Hinson (to Richard Price) "Well, even though the
>>>Presidency denied they were taking the church into
>the
>>>World Council and National, you persisted in saying
>>>that they do."
>>
>>
>>Lois, you notice that the psstor admitted having
>>signed the paperwork to sell the church. He said that
>>keeping it secret was "a mistake."
>>
>>I am continually amazed that leaders expect to keep
>>things secret. Nothing can be kept secret forever. I
>>guess the plan is to keep it secret long enough that
>>one can work oneself into a position in which certain
>>knowledge no longer means anything. After all, the
>>pastor only had to keep it secret long enough for the
>>deal to be done, and the deed to be filed. After that,
>>the difficulty of undoing it becomes nigh
>>insurmountable. That is the basis of all subversion.
>>
>>George
>
>Yes, do it, then when revealed asked for forgiveness.
>
>What some people don't understand, people who really
>don't believe in God, is that there are no secrets.
>God knows every secret and He can reveal that secret
>to anyone. So just because someone may be good at
>keeping their mouth shut, the secret can still get out
>there.
>
>Lois

If I already mentioned this, Lois, I apologize for being redundant, but an alternate reading of the Inspired Version says that when confronted by Jehovah for the murder of his brother, Cain wailed that he would be killed "because of mine oath, for these things are not kept secret from the Lord." He didn't think he deserved to die for committing murder -- it was being caught that was going to do him in.

The boys at HDQ seemed genuinely perturbed that word got out about Sharon Troyer's lesbian shacking up ceremony held at the Eugene, Oregon CofC congregation. And your observation is quite true. If the First Presidency had any relationship with God to speak of, they would have known from the get-go that everybody and his brother would know about it, and certainly God.

I guess the lawyer who represents the church now must be the same one who represented the couple in Italy who were caught in flagrante delicto in a convertible in a public park. The defense argued in Italian court that the park was not a public place until the police turned on the lights; thus, any gross public indecency was the fault of the police, not the defendants. Isn't that pretty much what brain-dead CofC apologists tell you, Lois? -- that the gross indecency in the church wouldn't be a exist if Christians would just keep their mouths shut?

(For those who are intellectually challenged, "couple" means a man and a woman. Since most retarded people know this, "intellectually challenged" does not mean "retarded.")

George

"Turn on the light"
The Reverend Dr. Smith, Bishop of the Texas Conference of the Methodist Church, in a sermon at First UMC in Houston, 1970.

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