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Date Posted: 19:31:32 02/28/12 Tue
Author: George
Subject: Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He told his disciples to "take up their cross and follow" him?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He told his disciples to "take up their cross and follow" him?" on 19:47:13 02/27/12 Mon

>>>>Jesus told his disciples, "Take up your cross and
>>>>follow me."
>>>>
>>>>What did he mean by this?
>>>>
>>>>Do we treat the Bible in its cultural and historical
>>>>context, checking to see who is speaking, and
>>>>specifically to whom he is speaking? Or do we
>>>>extrapolate to make this a "commandment" to all
>>>>Christians in all ages of the world?
>>>>
>>>>Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with any
>>>>comments made in this thread, I will not be
>answering
>>>>this question, since I am the one who posted it.
>>>>
>>>>George
>>>
>>>A true Christian, who takes up their
>>>cross, always stands up for the truth and does not
>>>waver.
>>>
>>>Let me give an example of what it does not look
>like.
>>>
>>>I don't believe that there is such a thing as a
>>>conservative Community of Christ member.
>Conservatives
>>>within the Community of Christ (formerly the
>>>Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
>>>Saints, since this began a long time ago) either got
>>>kicked out of the institution or left in despair or
>>>disgust or boredom. The people who label themselves
>>>"conservative" in the cofc will almost certainly let
>>>the train roll over them again when the National
>>>Conferences convene. Those conferences are about the
>>>agenda of same-gender marriage and homosexual
>>>priesthood. The c-not-of-c is already doing those
>>>things, it just wants to make it official by
>>>"spiritual discernment". The Canadian conference and
>>>the Australia/New Zealand conference will be this
>>>year. The USA conference will be next year
>immediately
>>>following the World Conference.
>>>
>>>"Conservatives" still in the c-not-of-c have
>>>historically abdicated their moral responsibities. I
>>>suspect they will again. It is, after all, their
>>>pattern.
>>>
>>>Lois
>>
>>That is a much different answer from what I expected.
>>But, if I knew what to expect, I wouldn't have asked.
>>
>>George
>
>George,
>
>Surprise!!
>
>Yesterday we started studying the sermon of King
>Benjamin in Mosiah Mosiah 1:38-130 and 2:7-50 and
>3:8-21.
>
>In the chapter right before this in The Words of
>Mormon, only one chapter, we see this. King Benjamin
>and his people had to clean up a mess of contention.
>
>23 And it came to pass that after there had been
>false Christs, and their mouths had been shut,
>and they punished according to their crimes;
>
>24 And after there had been false prophets, and
>false preachers and teachers among the people, and
>all these having been punished according to their
>crimes;
>-----------
>
>I do not believe that it is God's way, or the way of
>the righteous, to punish someone for their beliefs.
>False teachings lead to crimes, which are observable
>behavior.
>
>The false prophets, false preachers and false teachers
>of our day are those who have masquaraded as spiritual
>leaders. They have taught the younger generation to
>ignore the commandments. One must feel extremely sorry
>for our younger generations.
>
>Lois

I know what you mean, Lois. We have TV's in some of our rooms at work. I came back from lunch Thursday, and just before 2pm, on NBC, was a soap opera that depicted two young men sneaking off the "make out." It was gross not so much because it was two men as it was that it depicted naked lust.

A coworker and I discussed it. She said that the media intended to normalize homosexuality in the minds of young people. I agreed. Anything one is exposed to day in and day out becomes "normal." For instance, years after my wife and I were divorced, my son told me that when my daughter, who is younger than he, first started school, one day they got off the bus, came home, and found my wife passed out on the floor in the entry way. My son said that my daughter was very frightened, but he reported that he told her, "Oh, she does this all the time." The then stepped over her and went into the house. That happenes so much during the day when I was at work that this was "normal" to him. That is the intent of all this -- normalization. You can use media and ardroit manipulation to normalize anything, even cannibalism.

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