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Date Posted: 07:16:43 10/28/11 Fri
Author: john
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" on 01:56:25 10/28/11 Fri

nah lois... i would perceive you as being in stage 3... hence most of your posts.

john

>>>>truth may be everlasting George, but nonsense and
>>>>nastiness seem to reign supreme on this board!
>>>>
>>>>john
>>>>
>>>john,
>>>
>>>So? Why do you come here then?
>>>
>>>Lois
>>
>>
>>My guess, Lois, is that John is slipping out of the
>>grasp of the radical leftist political nuts running
>>the Communitarian Church.
>>
>>Just as Jerald and Sandra Tanner ended up becoming
>>exMormons and critics of the church as the end product
>>of trying to prepare a campaign to vindicate the Book
>>of Mormon and justify the historical acts of the
>>church, John is in the middle of playing advocate and
>>apologist for the Communitarian Church. It will
>>certainly backfire on him.
>>
>>When I first heard about the lockouts, and the
>>silencing, and the excommunications of hundreds of
>>RLDS that had occurred just two to three years before
>>I joined the church, I was like John -- I didn't
>>believe it happened. Nonsense.
>>
>>Then one day the news slipped through about the
>>same-sex shacking up ceremonies that had been going on
>>for eight years already, and the homosexual
>>ordinations that had been going on for who knows how
>>long, and doubt set in. After all, if your leaders lie
>>and/or keep secrets about important things like that,
>>no one can be sure that they don't and won't lie about
>>nearly everything that they think cannot be
>>independently verified.
>>
>>John has almost completed his slide from from Stage
>>One (Denial) into Stage Two (Rationalization.) As late
>>as six weeks before I resigned my membership, I was
>>vocally defending W. Grant McMurray's betrayal of the
>>RLDS fundamentals because I wanted to believe that it
>>was a sensible and logical approach. The
>>Rationalization stage lasts differing lengths of time
>>in different people.
>>
>>Stage Three is Anger ... Anger that the people you
>>trusted to help you know God and grow in grace are not
>>only pathological liars and frauds who think that you
>>are completely stupid, but wouldn't recognize God if
>>he showed up as Jesus Christ in person.
>>
>>When I enter Stage Four, I'll let you know what that
>>is. My former spiritual advisors at the CofC certainly
>>don't know, and most orthodox Christian churches (with
>>the notable exception of the Roman Catholic Church)
>>haven't experienced this sort of denomination-wide
>>betrayal recently (if ever) and don't have anybody
>>able to counsel on this, either.
>>
>>John may get to Stage Four before I do. If he does,
>>then he can tell us
>>
>>The self-contradictory paradoxes of the Community of
>>Christ's "revisioning" of the church make the faith of
>>believers in the revisioning very brittle. Just as
>>with a metal casting that has internal stress in it
>>from mishap in the casting process, any really hard
>>blow (figurative, people, figurative) in the right
>>place will break it. My only question is whether or
>>not John's fracture line will leave his faith
>>restorable, or if it will have a fracture line in such
>>a direction, depth, and extent that it is
>>nonrestorable.
>>
>>I'm still in the process of putting the pieces back
>>together. That's why I haven't got to Stage Four yet.
>>
>>When John moves from Stage Two to Stage Three, the
>>CofC will give him up as a lost cause. That's what the
>>CofC did with me, as soon as it realized I was in
>>Stage Three. Being the prime mover behind all that is
>>objectionable in the church, the leadership knows that
>>after a dissident reaches Stage Three, nothing less
>>than repentance and mending their ways will be enough
>>to make any difference. And, to paraphrase
>>Matt's consistent message, the CofC's repentance and
>>return to to the faith "once delivered to the saints"
>>"ain't gonna happen."
>>
>>George
>
>George,
>
>I think you are right. I think john is at
>"rationalization". In one of his recent posts he said
>something about "perspectives change". That is
>rationalization.
>
>I think I have been in stage four for many many years.
>I am not angry. I believe that God allowed this to
>happen in order to try the faith and loyalty of His
>people. It says in the Book of Mormon that there will
>be a "great division" among the people. That division
>has been in process for these last decades. It is
>almost complete.
>
>There may be different stage four's for different
>people. My stage four is to calmly and diligently
>expose the truth. One of these days the people are
>truly going to have their eyes opened. Many are truly
>going to be dismayed at what they see.
>
>Lois
>
>Community of Christ 2002 World
>Conference Bulletin pp. 75-78
>
>H-8 Interfaith Relations Committee Report
>
>(H-8) "The most troublesome text for the Christian
>community regarding other religious traditions is to
>be found in Acts 4:12. This text makes exclusive
>claims to salvation through Jesus Christ and him
>alone. This text has tended to foster prejudice
>toward not only Jews but all other religious claims as
>well because of its exclusivity. This text is best
>understood within the context of the sermon preached
>by Peter in the company of John and others. It
>should not be universalized and become a framework for
>either missional or theological purposes."

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Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly -- George, 08:31:24 10/28/11 Fri