VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, [5], 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 20:25:05 09/06/11 Tue
Author: George
Subject: Re: General Denominational (Dis)Information
In reply to: john 's message, "Re: General Denominational (Dis)Information" on 19:37:37 09/06/11 Tue

John, anything printed in Doctrine and Covenants is scripture for the RLDS church. If the CofC wants to continue to pretend to be RLDS in spirit, as well as in name, it will have to treat Section 111 as equally binding as the first chapter of Paul's epistle to the Romans, which, itself, was "not a revelation."


>then why have you and george been referring to it as a
>revelation?
>

>also, the stated purpose of the revelation was not
>since God had made it plain so many centuries ago...

God made a lot of things crystal clear many centuries ago, John. And the CofC has rejected out of hand some of the most important. I guess when the CofC has determined that the U.S. is no longer a "civilized country," it will feel comfortable with taking the section out.

What does the above line mean? It looks like a fragmentary paraphrase of something Lois wrote. It makes it hard to respond to you.

BTW, John, due to the powerful spiritual-warp created by you and others like you, I repent before God that I ever believed that the Doctrine and Covenants is scripture, or that it is on a par with the Bible. The reason I did and do so is that I have realized that the leaders of the church will make each section whatever they want it to be to get what they (not God) wants.

George

"The stated purpose of the revelation was not [what?] since God had made it plain so many centuries ago"




>111:4b Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been
>reproached with the crime of fornication, and
>polygamy : we declare that we believe that one man
>should have one wife; and one woman but one husband,
>except in case of death, when either is at liberty to
>marry again
>
>it was jsii's little affair with fanny alger that
>brought the section about. this was read and passed
>while jsii was out of town and in hiding from the
>law...
>
>john
>
>
>
>>>SECTION 111
>>>This section on marriage is not a revelation. It was
>>>prepared while the Book of Doctrine and
>>>Covenants was being compiled and was read by W. W.
>>>Phelps at the general assembly of August 17,
>>>1835. It was adopted unanimously by that assembly as
>>>part of the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. It
>>>has been retained in every edition of the book
>>>published by the Reorganization, and the church knows
>>>no other law of marriage than that which is set forth
>>>here.
>>>
>>>111:1a According to the custom of all civilized
>>>nations, marriage is regulated by laws and
>ceremonies:
>>>111:1b therefore we believe, that all marriages in
>>>this Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints should be
>>>solemnized in a public meeting, or feast, prepared
>for
>>>that purpose:
>>>111:1c and that the solemnization should be performed
>>>by a presiding high priest, high priest,bishop,
>elder,
>>>or priest, not even prohibiting those persons who are
>>>desirous to get married, of being married by other
>>>authority.
>>>111:1d We believe that it is not right to prohibit
>>>members of this church from marrying out of the
>>>church, if it be their determination so to do, but
>>>such persons will be considered weak in the faith of
>>>our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>>111:2a Marriage should be celebrated with prayer and
>>>thanksgiving; and at the solemnization, the persons
>to
>>>be married, standing together, the man on the right,
>>>and the woman on the left, shall be addressed, by the
>>>person officiating, as he shall be directed by the
>>>Holy Spirit; and if there be no legal objections, he
>>>shall say, calling each by their names:
>>>111:2b "You both mutually agree to be each other's
>>>companion, husband and wife, observing the legal
>>>rights belonging to this condition; that is, keeping
>>>yourselves wholly for each other, and from all
>others,
>>>during your lives?"
>>>111:2c And when they have answered "Yes," he shall
>>>pronounce them "husband and wife" in the name of the
>>>Lord Jesus Christ, and by virtue of the laws of the
>>>country and authority vested in him:
>>>111:2d "May God add his blessings and keep you to
>>>fulfill your covenants from henceforth and for
>>>ever. Amen."
>>>
>>>111:3 The clerk of every church should keep a record
>>>of all marriages solemnized in his branch.
>>>
>>>111:4a All legal contracts of marriage made before a
>>>person is baptized into this church, should be
>>>held sacred and fulfilled.
>>>
>>>111:4b Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been
>>>reproached with the crime of fornication, and
>>>polygamy: we declare that we believe that one man
>>>should have one wife; and one woman but one husband,
>>>except in case of death, when either is at liberty to
>>>marry again.
>>>
>>Yes john,
>>
>>We know it wasn't a revelation since God had already
>>made it very plain centuries ago. Christians simply
>>reiterated that they believe and practice what God has
>>already revealed.
>>
>>Lois

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]
Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.