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Date Posted: 19:09:48 06/11/11 Sat
Author: George
Subject: Re: Already determined the outcomed?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Already determined the outcomed?" on 14:47:08 06/11/11 Sat

>Oh, this is pretty hilarious. I'll tip you off when we
>get there.
>
>

Enduring Principles (excerpts)
>
>Unity in Diversity
>
>The Community of Christ is a diverse, international
>family of disciples, seekers, and congregations.

The Community of Christ is the corporate property of a few leftwing politicians who utilize lack of global communications between continents to exploit Christians who give them money and join up with them, unaware of the real nature of the so-called church. The call for "diversity" is to force tolerance of perverse fringe elements in the church until these fringe elements become dominant. Then the traditional values of the RLDS church will be ejected as having no part of that diversity because those values are "intolerable."

>
>Local and worldwide ministries are interdependent and
>important to the church�s mission.

This is the hierarchy's roundabout way of saying that the Communitarian Church (or "Community of Christ) is like the Soviet Union. Many soviets in many republics, under the iron fist of the Kremlin.

>
>The church embraces diversity and unity through the
>power of the Holy Spirit.

I notice that the church doesn't embrace the Holy Spirit. It merely employs the Spirit to embrace other things. It abuses the name of Jesus Christ to get what it wants, too.

>
>We seek agreement or common consent in important
>matters. If we cannot achieve agreement, we commit to
>ongoing dialogue and lovingly uphold our common faith
>in Jesus Christ and the mission of the church.

In other words, if we cannot force the rank and file to obey, we will keep them talking while we run circles around them. It's the politicians version of "cooperation." They want you to "coo" while they "operate." And the career ecclesastical pirates in the CofC are "operating" 24/7. Remember that song, "Smooth Operator"?

>
>We confess that our lack of agreement on certain
>matters is hurtful to some of God�s beloved children
>and creation.
>--------
>

>Translation in the third person: "Diversity" is a
>buzzword for homosexual. The c-not-of-c has made a lot
>of people upset on both sides of the homosexual issue.
>The homosexuals are mad because the c-not-of-c hasn't
>gotten everything official for them yet, even though
>they are already doing exactly as they please. Others
>are upset about the whole filthy business and may just
>abandon the c-not-of-c. If so there goes the money.

Lois, the Communitarians of Christ have made a complete mess of things. Those who had no problem with homosexuals as persons, and those who were somewhat ambivalent about it have been driven to the extreme opposition opinion. Why? Because the average Joe in the church who is awake has noticed that homosexuality is being pushed in the Community of Christ the same way that polygamy was in the church in Nauvoo. I do not recall hearing that historically ANY person in Nauvooo was neutral to polygamy. Those who thought Joseph Jr. was a little weird, but an otherwise all right guy, are now forced to choose sides, and guess which one they choose?

I love the statement "Our lack of agreement that our lack of agreement on certain matters is hurtful to some of God�s beloved children and creation. What that means is that "All y'all who disagree with us are very bad, mean, and hurtful people, and you'd better get over here and agree with us because you are the sole cause all the hurt." The real attitude is rather like the Palestinian consideration that if all the Jews would just die, there'd be no problem. I know that is what is exactly meant, because if disagreement alone were the cause of the problem, those in favor of homosexuality would simply lay off in the interest of stopping internecine thological warfare. It was not the probiblical crowd, but the prohomophilia crowd who made the statement that disagreement means automatic disaster. So if they feel that way, then they should change their minds, or at least shut up to head off the disaster they claim to forsee.

>Journeying Toward a USA National Conference
>BY THE USA APOSTOLIC TEAM
>
>As a global Community of Christ, we share a common
>mission to proclaim Jesus Christ and promote
>communities of joy, hope, love, and peace. We share a
>common identity and message that includes a common set
>of Enduring Principles and belief statements.
>
>Q: Has church leadership already determined the
>outcome on issues of same-gender marriage and
>ordaining people in same-gender relationships?
>
>A: No, church leadership is committed to
>discernment leading to the USA National Conference.
>This process will include spiritual practices,
>dialogue, scripture reflection, and study of credible
>resources that provide multiple perspectives on human
>sexuality and healthy, faithful, and committed
>relationships.
>
>(O.K. Here is the funny part. I guess they had to say
>something since most of their names are in these
>threads naming them as homosexual agenda proponents.
>lois)

>
>The USA Apostolic Team invites the church in the USA
>into this discernment process with no predetermined
>agenda or outcome. This does not infer that individual
>apostles do not have perspectives on the issues.
>It does, however, signal our trust in God, the impress
>of the Holy Spirit, and the collective wisdom of the
>US body to discern the mind and will of God on these
>issues.
>--------
>
>Yeah right. You think everyone in the membership was
>born yesterday? By the way, were you conceived in a
>petri dish?
>
>Submitted by Lois

>
>Orlando Community of Christ News, May 2004, Issue 6,
>page 1
>
>�Listening Circles Introduced to the Congregation
>On Sunday, May 16th, Pastor Andrea Henson,
>co-facilitated by Pat McKay, introduced the concept of
>Listening Circles to the congregation.
>
>The World Church has requested that we form these
>circles in our congregation (6-10 people each) for the
>purpose of listening to each other in a safe, non
>threatening environment. Listening Circles are a tool
>that can be used to discuss any difficult issue.
>The World Church has requested that the issue of
>homosexuality in the Community of Christ be our first
>focus.�

What do you want to bet that the "circles" are deliberately gerrymandered to make the probiblical attendees seem isolated and alone, and the prohomophia crowd seem to be the majority? Almost all political parties that operate under the guise of "churches" do this sort of thing. In large meetings, "plants" are placed in the audience to create audience participation of the kind that the ecclesiastical pirates desire. With good Dr. Smith's contact with Richard Barnet, the creator of the Sandinista secret police under Marxist Daniel Ortega (in the 1980's,) it's safe to say that every brainwashing and mind manipulation technique known to man is in the Communitarian's toolbox. As Martin Luther wrote in "A Mighty Fortress is our God" (Not Alan Tyree's expurgated version):

For still our ancient foe
Doth seek to work us woe;
His craft and power are great.
And armed with cruel hate.
On Earth is not his equal.

Did we in our own strength confide
Our striving would be losing,
Were not the right Man on our side,
The Man of God's own choosing.
Dost ask who that may be?
Christ Jesus it is he:
LORD SABAOTH his name.
From age to age the same;
And he must win the battle.

The Community of Christ's extreme displeasure with the Old Testament pronouncements of Yahweh, God of Sabaoth, is sufficient evidence on its own for us to conclude that the CofC is NOT in agreement with Martin Luther on this subject, nor with anyone else whose Christology acknowledges both the Divinity of Christ and His revelations to man in the Old Testament. In fact, they are having a great deal of difficulting managing to jettison the Old Testament without throwing Jesus overboard with it. Currently the strategy is to say, "It doesn't matter what you believe." Of course, that in in overt conflict with the above statement that disagreement "causes hurt."

But we cannot come over to their side. You see, in order to do so, we have to leave the side of the "right Man," and then we will lose everything. After all, He says, "It doesn't matter how you were born -- I can make you whole."

George

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