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Date Posted: 22:35:46 06/04/11 Sat
Author: George
Subject: Re: Hidden gems in the Book of Mormon
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Hidden gems in the Book of Mormon" on 19:06:36 06/04/11 Sat

>>>>>Yesterday I had one of those revelations that blows
>>>>>the mind. I now know what day Jesus was born. The
>>>Book
>>>>>of Mormon tells us. Mirl Edwards already had this
>>>>>figured out and I had very vague recollections that
>>>>>she had written an article about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>None of this clicked until I began to learn about
>>the
>>>>>Feasts of the Lord in Leviticus 23. Everything is
>>>>>clicking into place.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I will walk you through it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Samuel the Lamanite prophesied of the signs that
>>>would
>>>>>come to the Book of Mormon people to let them know
>>>>>when Jesus was born.
>>>>>
>>>>>The time was approaching and it hadn't happened
>yet.
>>>>>The enemies of God were planning to kill all the
>>>>>believers on a certain day if it didn't happen
>soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>The signs came.
>>>>>
>>>>>3 Nephi 1:
>>>>>22 And it came to pass that the sun did rise in the
>>>>>morning again, according to its proper order; and
>>>they
>>>>>knew that it was the day that the Lord should be
>>>born,
>>>>>because of the sign which had been given. The
>>>Nephites
>>>>>believers started keeping track from that very day,
>>>>>sort of a new calendar.
>>>>>
>>>>>3 Nephi 1:
>>>>>44 And six hundred and nine years had passed away,
>>>>>since Lehi left Jerusalem; and nine years had
>>>>>passed away, from the time when the sign was given,
>>>>>which was spoken of by the prophets, that Christ
>>>>>should come into the world.
>>>>>45 Now the Nephites began to reckon their time from
>>>>>this period when the sign was given or from the
>>>coming
>>>>>of Christ;
>>>>>
>>>>>On the fourth day of the 34 year of this new
>>calendar
>>>>>the Book of Mormon people had a great storm. This
>is
>>>>>the storm that changed the face of the land. This
>>was
>>>>>the storm that was the sign of Jesus death. This
>was
>>>>>Nisan 14 the first month of the Jewish year, the
>day
>>>>>that the Passover lamb was killed. Jesus died on
>>>>>Nisan 14.
>>>>>
>>>>>3 Nephi 4:6 And it came to pass in the thirty
>and
>>>>>fourth year, in the first month, in the fourth day
>>of
>>>>>the month, there arose a great storm, such an
>>one
>>>>>as never had been known in all the land;
>>>>>
>>>>>This means that Jesus' birthday was Nisan 10. What
>>is
>>>>>significant about Nisan 10? This is the day that
>the
>>>>>lamb to be sacrificed was brought into the houses
>of
>>>>>the people or into the temple to be inspected. It
>>had
>>>>>to be a perfect lamb.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jesus was born in Bethlehem. The shepherds who came
>>>to
>>>>>see him were actually Levite shepherds raising the
>>>>>lambs that were sacrificed in the temple. They are
>>>the
>>>>>first ones who came to inspect Jesus, the new lamb
>>>>>that was born.
>>>>>
>>>>>This means that Jesus was born on Nisan 10,
>>>>>right before Passover.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lois
>>>>
>>>>Lois, only people who already believe that the Book
>>of
>>>>Mormon is a divinely inspired text and that it is
>>>>absolutely accurate to the point of exceeding the
>>>>accuracy of Josephus, the New Testament, etc. will
>be
>>>>impressed by this.
>>>>
>>>>That is the reason that people who don't believe
>that
>>>>the Book of Mormon was divinely produced get any
>>>>enlightenment from it at all. The baseline
>>requirement
>>>>for finding anything accurate in the Book of Mormon
>>is
>>>>to postulate beforehand that it is all accurate.
>>>>
>>>>If the Book of Mormon is deconstructed the way
>>>>skeptics and apostates in seminaries do the Bible,
>>>>your observation becomes of no consequence. That is
>>>>the same reason that the liberals hve persuaded the
>>>>CofC to go gay. If one does not already believe the
>>>>scriptures are correct, they will find nothing in
>the
>>>>scriptures to convince them of the accuracy and
>>>>relevance of the text.
>>>>
>>>>The specific example is, of course, that even from
>>the
>>>>atheistic evolutionary "survival of the fittest"
>>>>concept, homosexuality is something to be avoided
>and
>>>>discouraged. So, you see, even when the scriptures
>>>>tell these folks the exact same truth that their own
>>>>secular philosophy teaches, they still refuse to
>>>>believe it. It represents a complete dysfunction of
>>>>all logic, reason, and cognition.
>>>>
>>>>I attended an education course yesterday that
>>detailed
>>>>how the entire country is obese and prediabetic. The
>>>>physiological breakdown of the nation's population
>is
>>>>directly related to the spiritual breakdown -- you
>>are
>>>>what you eat, and you are what you believe.
>>>>
>>>>When, in his capacity as a patriarch for the
>>Community
>>>>of Christ, Matt told us that it was absolutely
>>>>unimportant what anyone actually believed, he was
>>like
>>>>a corporate propagandist explaining that there is
>>>>absolutely nothing wrong with mass consumption of
>>>>high-fructose corn syrup because it doesn't matter
>>>>what you eat.
>>>>
>>>>In short, Lois, with your kind and well-meaning
>post,
>>>>you will fail to connect with most of the readers
>>>>here, for the same reason that a vendor who puts
>>fresh
>>>>fruit and bottled water in the vending machines
>>>>instead of soda pop and milk chocolate will go
>>>>bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>>George
>>>
>>>George,
>>>
>>>I know that anyone who doesn't believe that the Book
>>>of Mormon is true will not be impressed. Those
>opposed
>>>to the Book of Mormon don't listen to anything in its
>>>favor, their minds are made up. But what we really
>>>have is those people who don't believe in anything,
>>>especially the Bible.
>>>
>>>What the Bible account of the feasts, and the Book of
>>>Mormon corraborating that account, has done for me is
>>>to impress on me that God truly is in control. Truly,
>>>truly.
>>>
>>>Did you know that April 6 is not the anniversary of
>>>the church? Nisan 14 is the anniversary of the
>church.
>>>Nisan 14 falls on different days of our calendar year
>>>by year. But in 1830 and in 1860 Nisan 14, the day
>>>Jesus died, fell on April 6. I doubt that Joseph
>Smith
>>>Jr. and Joseph Smith III understood the
>significance.
>>>
>>>This tells me that certain men and women have messed
>>>with Jesus Christ's church. They are fooling
>>>themselves that they are calling the shots. It is
>time
>>>for repentance. God has promised restoration to the
>>>righteous and destruction to the wicked. Those
>>>promises are not myths. Many people are going to
>>>discover that to their great sorrow.
>>>
>>>Lois
>>>
>>>PAPER #3, First Presidency Meetings (Community of
>>>Christ), January 9, 1979, 1:45 p.m.
>>>THE IDENTITY OF THE CHURCHPage 2
>>>The message of the gospel is concerned with the
>>>deepest human needs. It offers no solutions for
>the
>>>problem of collective evil, the question of death,
>nor
>>>even a solution for sin. The gospel is the
>>>assurance that all is changed in Christ.
>>
>>
>>That's what is so digusting about what goes on these
>>days. One is told it is unconstitutional to mention
>>God in the classroom, but right now a homosexual
>>member of the U.S. House of Representatives is
>>sponsoring a bill to force schools to teach the how-to
>>of sodomy to very young children. Representative Jard
>>Polis, an avowed homosexual is the sponsor. (That's
>>what you get when you decide that homosexuals, despite
>>the spiritually debilitating condition of their
>>personal lives, should become teachers, leaders, and
>>priesthood members.) Kevin Jennings, one of the
>>president's "czars," the "safe schools czar" has
>>decided that homosexual indoctrination is necessary so
>>that it will be "safe" for homosexual students to go
>>to school.
>>
>>You know, the few people in my high school who were
>>homosexual didn't get murdered. In fact, nobody did.
>>
>>But the secular politicians knew that they could not
>>succeed as long as religious people resisted, they
>>infiltrated the churches. All these radicals have gone
>>to law school to screw up the legal system, to
>>seminaries to screw up religion, and into finance to
>>screw up our economy.
>>
>>I know that you are right, Lois, when you say that
>>people who don't believe the Book of Mormon don't
>>accept anything it says, but the sad truth is the top
>>leadership quorums of the Community of Christ
>>don't. You don't have to believe in the Book
>>of Mormon to be a member of the Restored Church
>>anymore, and you don't have to believe in Jesus to be
>>a member of the Community of Christ, either.
>>
>>That's like a person in favor of global disarmament
>>belonging to the NRA. Why would they join such an
>>organization unless their objective was to subvert it?
>>
>>From the liberal irrationaity I have been exposed to
>>on this forum, I can hear it now --
>>"It doesn't matter if Jesus was born of a virgin or
>>not."
>>
>>"It doesn't matter if Jesus was born on Nissan 10 or
>>not."
>>
>>"It doesn't matter if Jesus was born at all.... the
>>important thing is that the people who lied about it
>>sincerely wanted to persuade people to trust in God
>>and have a happy life."
>>
>>There are some who say, "It doesn't matter what you
>>believe as long as you are sincere."
>>
>>There have been those in history who sincerely
>>believed it was their duty to kill everybody who
>>disagreed with them you know. They started out
>>low-key, of course, with mere disenfranchisent and
>>expulsion, mirroring the modern post-156 pogrom.
>>
>>I know I have wandered from the original post, but as
>>I said, nobody under retirement age who still is
>>active in the Community of Christ believes enough of
>>what the Restoration was originally about to care
>>about your post.
>>
>>George
>
>George,
>
>That's O.K. Everyone simply needs to remember,
>destruction from on high does not come without warning.
>
>Lois

I know what you mean, Lois.

But Hell was not designed to scare people into heaven. The purpose of Hell is so that there will be justice. If there is no Hell, then Stalin received no punishment for murdering 60 million people and died unrepentant of his atheism. There is no just God who would allow that.

We hear all the time about "the worth of souls." If there is no Hell, then God would value Stalin's soul above the 60 million that he killed. That kind of God is not loving, nor just.

Of course, since I mentioned Stalin as being evil, you know that I'm not a liberal. Liberals don't realize that Communists are just as evil as Nazis and Fascists. Liberals think that Communists are just misunderstood "wealth redistributors." They distribute more blood than wealth.

George

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