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Date Posted: 20:17:50 03/28/11 Mon
Author: Lois
Subject: Re: CofC lenten scripture reading for Monday, March 28, 2011
In reply to: George 's message, "Re: CofC lenten scripture reading for Monday, March 28, 2011" on 20:02:09 03/28/11 Mon

>>>>>In confirmation of the instructions contained in
>the
>>>>>pastoral letter dated September 19, 1995, naming
>him
>>>>>as successor in the office of President, my wervant
>>>W.
>>>>>Grant McMurray is called and should be ordained
>>>>>without delay as Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and
>>as
>>>>>Preswident of the High Priesthood and the Church,
>to
>>>>>the end that prophetic guidanxce and vision may
>>>>>continue to be brought to the church throught the
>>>>>ministry of my Spirit.
>>>>>CofC Doctrine and Covenants 160:1
>>>>
>>>>George,
>>>>
>>>>Well, the part about prophetic guidance and vision
>>>>certainly didn't happen.
>>>>
>>>>Lois
>>>
>>>Well, Lois, the revelation doesn't state who
>is
>>>giving it. It just says, "My spirit." After looking
>at
>>>some of these "modern revelations" of all kinds, from
>>>the LDS to the RLDS to the CofC to the Temple Lot,
>and
>>>including the "Congregational Mormon" brigade, I'm
>>>starting to wonder if the prophet shouldn't check the
>>>ID of the entity giving the revelation. After all,
>the
>>>story of Jacob coming in before blind Isaac and
>>>stealing Esau's blessing is pretty well known.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>>>href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2002/sermons/Grant2
>0
>>0
>>>2
>>>>.asp">http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2002/sermons/Grant2
>0
>>0
>>>2
>>>>.asp No longer there.
>>>>
>>>>Called to Discipleship: Coming Home in Search of
>>>>the Path
>>>>W. Grant McMurray 2002 World Conference Address
>April
>>>>7, 2002
>>>>
>>>>"....We have a twenty-year-old statement from the
>>>>Standing High Council that serves as official
>>>>guidance, but has not been universally adhered
>>>>to throughout the church. I will be totally
>>honest
>>>>and acknowledge that I have myself participated
>in
>>>>situations where its provisions were not
>honored.
>>>>I have been present in conferences where persons I
>>>>knew to be in long-term, committed homosexual
>>>>relationships were approved for priesthood in
>>>>jurisdictions where their lifestyle was known and
>>>>their ministry was accepted. The conflict within me
>>>>was between lawgiver and pastor. To enforce the
>>policy
>>>>would have required me to intervene and prevent the
>>>>ordination of someone whose call to ministry I could
>>>>not deny. This I could not do. This I will
>not
>>>>do.�
>>>
>>>
>>>Lois, it occurs to me that W. Grant McMurray made a
>>>major error in logic with this statement. He says
>that
>>>he "will not" do something that he "couldn't." If he
>>>can't do it, what difference does it make what he
>>>wants or doesn't want to do?
>>>
>>>If I got up and said, "I can't throw a 65 yard pass,
>>>and I will not throw it," it would sound a little
>>>stupid. But get a few degrees and doctorates after
>>>one's name, and throw in a little "Pax Vobiscum," and
>>>everything one says is suddenly profound.
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>"When you come to a fork in the road, it's important
>>>that you take it."
>>>Yogi Berra
>>
>>The question is, why could he not do it? It may
>>not have been compassion.
>>
>>Lois
>
>The priesthood candidate, or those ordaining him may
>have had firsthand personal information about W. Grant
>that W. Grant did not want told. That was how Lyndon
>Johnson usually managed to get what he wanted in the
>Senate. He could railroad it through, because if
>Senators balked, he could always remind them that he
>knew where the bodies were buried.
>
>Apparently, whatever it was got found out anyway.
>Otherwise, Steve Veazey wouldn't be the prophet now.
>
>George

George,

We are on the same wave length.

Lois

http://www.cofchrist.org/OnlineResources/issues/1982homosexuality.asp

Homosexuality
1982 Statement by the Standing High Council

(excerpt)
The church recognizes that there is a difference between homosexual orientation and homosexual activity (defined as sexual acts between persons of the same sex). The former is accepted as a condition over which a person may have little or no control; the latter is considered immoral and cannot be condoned by the church.

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Re: CofC lenten scripture reading for Monday, March 28, 2011 -- George, 20:30:01 03/28/11 Mon