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Date Posted: 01:32:16 12/18/99 Sat
Author: avalanche
Subject: Re: Adobe GoLive and Netscape 4,7
In reply to: fate_777 's message, "Re: Adobe GoLive and Netscape 4,7" on 22:53:38 12/17/99 Fri

> > > > > even though your country might think the FBI
> > takes
> > > it
> > > > > seriously they dont,
> > > >
> > > > the fbi DOES take it serious when a big
> software
> > > > corporation takes it serious, trust me, there
> have
> > > been
> > > > countless of busts by the fbi which could only
> > have
> > > > happened IF the fedz took it serious, i don't
> say
> > > > they
> > > > take it serious outside the corporate aspect,
> > > basicly
> > > > meaning that as long as a corporation doesn't
> > > > indicate
> > > > that they're being ripped billions of dollars
> by
> > > some
> > > > kids, they're not going to look for them. but
> > other
> > > > than
> > > > that, they DO take it serious.
> > >
> > >
> > > the criminal justice community is in reality a
> pretty
> > > small world so I can say that NO they dont take it
> > > very seriously, they only act on something like
> that
> > > if they are pressured to do something by political
> > > power, or its an open and shut slam dunk case ,if
> its
> > > not they dont squander their limited resources on
> it
> > > when they have much more pressing crimes to act on
> >
> > that's what i explained to you, but they DO take
> it
> > serious, you have no idea how serious they take it,
> > but that doesn't mean they're going around busting
> > everybody. discussion closed man, you don't know one
> > fuck about this subject, which is obvious.
>
>
> I know a hell of a lot more than the criminal justice
> system in the US than you ever will. despite the fact
> you still beleive they take it very seriously you are
> still wrong, a majority of the people coming out of
> Quantico FBI Academy are being trained as
> anti-terrorism or biological weapons specialists, they
> very rarely confront white collar crime, and usually
> only when its a slam dunk case, its hard enough to get
> them to respond on something they have obvious
> jurisdiction on like interstate kidnapping, so they
> really are not in any rush to investigate someone
> selling pirated software

are you an fbi agent? no, then you don't really know
do you? they do take it serious, just not in the way
you think, and i don't want to hear your stupid opinions
on this anymore.

> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > sure it costs the industry a lot
> > > > > of money but so does copying audio cassette
> tapes
> > > and
> > > > > books but they dont go out looking for those
> > people
> > > > > either,
> > > >
> > > > oh, a big difference wouldn't you say?
> > > software/music
> > > > piracy costs the industry billions of dollars a
> > > year,
> > > > a lot more than copying some book or putting
> some
> > > > music
> > > > on a tape.
> > >
> > > not if you resale the book or tape
> > >
> > oh, that's still a big difference, you can sell a
> > book
> > or tape in such quantities as you could with
> > software.
>
>
> Im going to assume you meant cant sell the same as
> software which makes you just as wrong, check out the
> ads for audio CD's for 3 or bucks, now you know for
> that price its not the original recording
>
so? you really think that makes a dent in the music
industry? not really.

> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > theres not a person alive who hasnt illegally
> > > > > copied an audio tape or obtained software
> > illegally
> > > > or
> > > > > illegally videotaped something off of TV and
> that
> > > > > includes most of the federal agents, the FBI
> wont
> > > > take
> > > > > it very seriously 1-because they are primarly
> > > turning
> > > > > into an anti-terrorism group and 2-because the
> do
> > > it
> > > > > themselves
> > > >
> > > > i wasn't talking of just copying this stuff,
> i'm
> > > > talking
> > > > about the groups that crack the protection, and
> > > > distribute
> > > > the software to the masses, those ARE being
> taken
> > > > serious.
> > > > and i should know, i have friends in this
> scene.
> > >
> > >
> > > even selling it does not spark much interst within
> > the
> > > FBI, their primary intersts are interstate
> > > kidnappings, Federal hate crimes, and terrorism
> >
> > but it will spark a hunt if the corporations demand
> > it
> > and that's whats fucking wrong with your country, i
> > do
> > not require more debate from you on this, because
> > you
> > are rather ignorant on this subject it seems.
>
>
> yeah the FBI would file that under solve before the
> next ice-age if corporations want to stop it they have
> cival courts and lawyers, burden of proof for a cival
> case is a lot less than a criminal case they would
> have an easier case if they used cival courts rather
> than waiting on the FBI to MAYBE do something in a few
> years

corporations seem to realize that, now they just hire
fighting squads and hackers to do their own dirty work.
i love what the world is becoming.

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