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Date Posted: 26/11/02 18:13:58 GMT+10
Author: Adrian
Subject: Re: Transformers
In reply to: Goktimus Prime 's message, "Transformers" on 26/11/02 0:13:37 GMT+10

If you are a total "Transformer purist" don't forget that only the name was original, the first two catalogs consisted of Diaclone ,microman ,beetras,macross,etc....
The third catalog consisted of only half originals,the transformers toyline itself had only begunat this time! ; )
The man responcible for the concept of transformers saw the line as a way to launch the items in the U.S, he himself commented that "If it is a robot that can change it's shape then it is a transformer and allows the children to expand their collecton with existing toys, it helps creative minds to expand their imagination"
As for gobots, remember hasbro owns tonka tonka had gobots hasbro release g2 gobots in transformers(nuff said)
MACHINE ROBO RESCUE to air in japan (well fancy that!)
As for the "bootlegs" you will have to go into the coptright laws about this issue, toys have a short copyright piriod, any item out of this piriod is then up for grabs,Any factory with the original molds can churn them out, however if I had a choice of ether the original or a cheap knock off I would rather buy the original,if the knock off is of good quality then I MIGHT buy it ether for spare parts or to CUSTOM MODIFY, after all to me that's half the fun.
The current line of bootlegs are also of transformers unavalable ether in australia or over the past ten years, (at the very least)they differ in size and colour and often only require a minor amount of tiding up easely acheved with a hobby knife and a screwdriver.
The box sets have been selling for up to $30 US and have heavily featured at the US BOTCON,(IF THEIR NOT COMPLAINING THEN NETHER AM I) ;p
As for driving up the price, Blame the economy and shiping, bootlegs of current ranges are seldom good enugh to undermine the original and only sell when original stock sells out.

Oh and "heresy,BLASPHEMY" are you by chance WORSHIPING A TOY! If by chance you have a shrine, CAN I SEE IT ^_^




>>(try putting autobot stickers on
>>a gobot sometime!)
>
>That's heresy.
>
>>on the other hand, any transforming
>>toy is a transformer!
>
>

BLASPHEMY!


>What a load of insulting bollocks!! "Any" transforming
>toy is ***NOT*** a Transformer! How can you say that?
>
>That's as stupid as saying:
>* Any hamburger is MacDonalds
>* Any language that uses the Roman alphabet is Romantic
>* Any automobile is a sportscar
>* Any cartoon is anime (by the English
>definition of that word)
>* Any Australian is a crocodile hunter
>* Any toy is an action figure (would you
>count a Rubik's Cube as an action figure? I don't even
>count MacFarlane toys as action figures)
>...I could go on...
>
>The one thing that has made Transformers so successful
>for the last eighteen years is that it is NOT like
>other transforming robot toy lines. Other transforming
>robot toy lines have NOT endured as long as
>Transformers has. Even though Macross is making a
>comeback atm, it's not as large scale as Transformers
>-- being purely aimed at collectors, whereas
>Transformers has always been marketed at the wider toy
>market, not to mention the fact that Macross toys have
>*not* been in continuous production since its
>inception.
>
>Neither has Gobots/Machine Robo -- in fact, those
>lines are DEAD now. The Tonka company has since been
>devoured by Hasbro.
>
>No, Transformers is not like other transforming toy
>lines, as its test of time clearly illustrates. There
>are a number of factors -- of which the most
>significant have been the continually improving
>quality of the toys and the immense volume of mythos
>surrounding them.
>
>And there is virtually no direct competition for
>Transformers in terms of transforming robot lines.
>Macross is only aimed at collectors, which constitute
>a noteable minority of the Transformers' consumer
>market, and virtually every other transforming robot
>line out there are bootlegs.
>
>To say that "any" transforming robot line counts as a
>Transformer is an insult to the ongoing 18 years of
>Transformer history. And to say that even bootlegs can
>count is sheer heresy, as you're comparing
>Transformers to an ILLEGAL competitor.
>
>Comparing Transformers with Macross is one thing, at
>least that is a legitimate competitor who is competing
>ethically by using their own original designs. Okay,
>Transformers began by copying other designs, but most
>of that was in house (Takara copying Takara) and
>Transformers taken from Takatoku designs were done so
>through legitimate licensing rights that Takara/Hasbro
>purchased.
>
>Buying bootlegged Transformers may be a cheaper
>alternative in the short run, but ultimately the sales
>of any pirated goods will drive up the prices of the
>legitimate product, as companies have to compensate
>for loss of sales through piracy (which is technically
>a form of theft).
>
>>(bootlegs and ceapies are good
>>for boosting armies and make for exelent cannon
>>fodder,ie; in the english comic only non entities were
>>scrapped)
>
>Hardly an ethical argument.
>
>>Besides finding stuff like this in Sydney is hard
>>enugh and not everyone can order from overseas all the
>>time so please don't be so snooty to this ol'
>>fart."mumblemumble gripegripe"
>>
>
>Stop driving the price of my toys up. ;p
>
>*more mumblemumble gripegripe*

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