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Date Posted: 25/05/02 17:16:02 GMT+10
Author: Goktimus Prime
Subject: Re: The beginings of the Empire in episode 2
In reply to: Catbus 's message, "The beginings of the Empire in episode 2" on 19/05/02 8:13:32 GMT+10

>Sidenote: Wasn't
>"Attack of the Clones" an odd title, considering that
>the Clones are good guys?
>

It sounds lame. Like a 1950s horror flick title. "Attack of the Giant Lettuce" etc.
As for the appropriateness, I thought it was okay -- the clones DID attack. They attacked the bad guys. That was a nice twist though, as it's clear that a lot of people were expecting the clones to be fighting against the Jedi, not for them.

Still, it's never been mentioned before that the clones were necessarily good (or evil) during the Clone Wars. All we really know was that the Clone Wars involved clones because they needed to amass an army really quickly.

>I didn't like the gurgling noises that Shmi made when
>she died. It made me giggle, which doesn't help the
>emotion of the scene.
>

Sadist. ;p

>
>Gok, does the packaging in Australia say lightsabre?
>Ours says lightsaber.

The packaging does say Lightsaber. It also says "Extends to over 3 feet long," which not only aggravates me to no end, but is a bit unusual, because Australian toy companies usually cover imperial measurements with stickers that give you the metric equivalent. Still, what usually happens is that they don't bother with the first couple of shipments, then later on they do. I remember when the Episode I figures came out here, the Jedi accessory packs first said something like, "for use with any 3 3/4" figure" but then later figures all had a sticker over it ammending 3 3/4" to 10cm. But considering how rare the electronic lightsabres are, I'm not sure if Hasbro Australia will bother doing that for them. In the meantime, I'm 'censoring' my box my smearing the measures with a black permanent marker. (evil.glint)

Anyway, if you read the ending credits of any Star Wars movie, I'm sure you'll find that lightsabre is spelt as "sabre".

>Well "Attack of the Clones" was a lame tittle anyway
>you look at it.

Was? It still *IS* and shall forever be a lame title! Cool movie as it is, it shall most likely go down in the annals of history as having the lamest title for any SW flick.
(here's hoping the Ep3 title won't be any worse.. it... it just couldn't be...)

>And as for the status of the clones
>themselves I don't know if they could really be termed
>"good guys". Pretty much everyone in the movie was
>being played by Sidious, giving the whole movie kind
>of an unusual (for Starwars) grey feel much like
>Empire had. Sure the clones saved the day for the
>beleaguerd Jedi, and won the battle. But with so many
>Jedi lost and a galctic war breaking out one gets the
>sense it was a pyrrhic victory.
>

The concept of "good" or "bad" guy is subjective in many cases. In the case of the clones, it really depends what they were being used for -- since the battle at Genosia was a just cause, then they were the good guys then. Whether or not they'll remain good guys remains to be seen (most likely not if they are to evolve into Imperial Stormtroopers).

After all, although the Americans were considered good guys in WWII, they were often considered to be the bad guys during the Vietnam War (hence massive objections against the war from the American public) -- yes, the real definition of "good" and "evil" is often a blurry one, but you get the idea.

>Hmmmm what I found quite amusing about episode 2 was
>that, in a manner of speaking Jar jar Binks gave birth
>to the Empire. He was the one who called for the vote
>to give the Chancellor emergency powers, powers I
>doubt the chancellor will relinquish anytime soon, and
>will no doubt lead to the Empire as we know it in
>episode IV. And given his lack of popularity with the
>fans I think it's fitting he has become a scapegoat
>for the creation of the Empire.
>

In a way, Jar Jar Binks could also be seen as the hero... if he hadn't had given the Supreme Chancellor emergency executive authority, then the Jedi would have been overwhelmed and annihilated prematurely. Anakin Skywalker would've most likely been killed and so Luke Skywalker would never have been conceived, thus there would never have been a Return of the Jedi... so really, if it weren't for Jar Jar, the Jedi would have remained extinct forevermore.

Sucks don't it? (:
Yes, I also prefer just sitting back and blaming it all on Jar Jar.

>As for episode III, I'd expect the Clone Wars to be
>about over by then with the Republic pretty much
>become the Empire, and Palpatine using the threat of
>the seperatists as an excuse to squash his foes( much
>like Hitler did with the Communists). Still who knows
>what Lucas has in mind for episode III, maybe Jar jar
>will be assasinated? we can only hope.

Well, we never saw him in Eps4-6... so one can only hope.

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