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Date Posted: 00:03:28 09/11/00 Mon
Author: Brain
Subject: Re: let me spell this out...and if I sound condensending, don't be troubled with it...I am ten times harder on myself then I am on anyone else...
In reply to: steve 's message, "let me spell this out...and if I sound condensending, don't be troubled with it...I am ten times harder on myself then I am on anyone else..." on 14:33:41 09/09/00 Sat

> As I said...you fail to comprehend...when I say my
> movement, I mean just that, not the movement of my
> will over others...the movement of my will to empower
> myself...
> Heaven and hell(paradise and perdition)are to fold,
> they are material, and they are spirtitual...we as
> individuals have little control over the material, for
> the force of the artificial control mongers which we
> both distain has control over the material...every
> revolution that has sought to bring about some form of
> utopia has become what it devoured...in this sense,
> the catch phrase, 'you are what you eat' is
> true...this is because the spiritual self, the mind
> and coscious escense, rains over the material
> world...for what we see, now, and seek to create all
> depends on perception. Perception is formed from the
> center of our being and our eexperince. The reason we
> have failed is while the material world encounters
> great change, we find little spritual, or self if you
> are an athiest, progression...the material world
> changes, what we no changes, yet people fail to
> change...they fail to change for good reason. The
> process of control was put in fasion as the social
> glue to hold togther society...it was wrought from an
> under devoloped. ignorant, and unenlightened human
> nature that is closer to a process of applying reason
> to instinct then letting pure reason evolve and rule
> on it's own. This process of finite control is self
> sustaining, through indocternation it lives on,
> generation after genration, and is ingrained with in
> us, it produces mass thought, mass logic, and massive
> limitations, instead of infinite self control, which
> produces individual logic, individual thought, and so
> on. Until we find this on a massive level, which
> individuals must find with in themsevles, we will have
> no realistic sustained change...control will always be
> necassary as long as we remain unenlightened of true
> self. You cannot open peoples eyes to this through
> combat, force them to see it and agree with it, or
> through breaking them down intellectually...you must
> find it within yourself, and display it to them
> through your thoughts, actions, words, and works(these
> are the old ways, the failed and failing ways, the
> limited ways)...then they must choose to look upon it
> and see for themselves, and seek to become it...
>
> ...my movement is not a movement of assualt or
> beguilment, it is a movement of self and personal
> freedom. Since I can garnish no control over the
> material directly in the current atmosphere(for any
> such atempts would betray progression to the old
> ways)I seek the only thing I can free, and the thing
> that must be freed first...my mind, my essence, and my
> soul...in this, I am free of the most important and
> lasting hell, in this I roam in paradise, in this, the
> realm of my heart, mind and soul...through this, and
> actions centered on this, I am laying the foundation
> through the seed of example, the only foundation where
> from which anything that is truly different beyond
> face and appearence can grow...
>
> ...I do not expect people to develope similar ideas
> and perspective as me...all I expect is for them to
> seek self freedom and true identity, so they can build
> something that is truly a creation of the individual,
> and not mass produced...
>
> ...to paraphrase the man you say provides your dream
> of heaven: "so you say that it's the institution,
> well ya know, ya better free your mind instead..."
>
> -john lennon
>
> ...I say this, you want to echo lennon's heaven...it
> will never work, you need to echo your own heaven...


I agree with everything you wrote except the "you fail to comprehend" introduction. You have great ideas and are brilliant with words, that’s not the problem. The problem is that what you write and what you do at the message board are totally different concepts. When Avalanche, Oyster and I argue you attack me.
Brain


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