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Date Posted: 20:31:40 08/14/00 Mon
Author: oyster
Subject: Re: Fellowship of the Ring question...
In reply to: steve 's message, "Re: Fellowship of the Ring question..." on 19:24:36 08/14/00 Mon

> There is allot of speculation over this, I know I have
> some tolkien suplimentary litrature that concerns him
> some where, but of the top of my head, he was around
> in middle earth even before the elves came to that
> part of the world.
> Now, whether or not he was in the form of a human at
> that point I do not recall, because he is a spirtual
> creature that was heavily connected with nature,
> almost as a conscious will projection of the natural
> worlds lighter side you might say. The literal and
> symbolic reasoning for the character is to present
> sort of the unchanging will and ambeince of the world
> that is not affected by the evolving and changing ages
> and devices of it's more conscious minded elements...a
> personification of the will of nature which he had
> power over(intrestingly enough this included other
> more man made things also, since man is a fruit of the
> natural world and thus it's devices stem from it, yet
> these devices seem to have little effect of Tom)...as
> per shown that as the passing of the age and the
> changing of thinsg was coming, he walled himself away
> in his own domain and planned to stay there as Gandalf
> descibed in one of his two mentions(intresting to note
> that in this mention he also said that while Tom would
> be the last to fall against sauron, he would not even
> be able to resist if his full weight where turned on
> him alone, depicting that the world is resilient
> indeed, but not indestrutable or undefilable).
> Intresting also was that when frodo let Tom hold the
> ring, he put it on, and it did not effect him, nor did
> he resist giving it back freely)showing his
> disconection from the races of man and it's sense of
> the pursuit of power most unquestionably, his
> isolation also proved that he planned little
> resistance for the plans of men, elves, dwarves, and
> hobbit's, and restating that he was perfectly
> exceptable of the cycle of things. The last mention
> of him was in The Return of the king...when the
> Hobbits went to deal with the scouring of the shire,
> Gandalf, now disconnected from the world again because
> his role of a human projection had passed(his fleshly
> incarnation was only meant for the thrid age and the
> dealings against Sauron, so his roll had ended)told
> Frodo he would was going to see Tom because Tom was a
> "Rolling Stone, and I am a gather of moss"...I will
> dig through and find more direct info next time I
> fiddle with those books...which will be soon enough I
> suppose...

I thought something around that, because he said something about being around extremely early on, he is referred to as the Master or something like that, and the Ring apparently did nothing to him when he started to slip it on...

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Replies:

Re: Fellowship of the Ring question... -- steve, 20:39:21 08/14/00 Mon
- Re: Fellowship of the Ring question... -- oyster, 20:45:09 08/14/00 Mon
  - Re: Fellowship of the Ring question... -- steve, 20:58:29 08/14/00 Mon
    - Re: Fellowship of the Ring question... -- oyster, 21:04:01 08/14/00 Mon
      - Stupid me.... -- oyster, 21:11:40 08/14/00 Mon
        Re: Stupid me.... -- steve, 23:24:11 08/14/00 Mon
      - Re: Fellowship of the Ring question... -- steve, 21:26:23 08/14/00 Mon