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Date Posted: 13:17:14 10/24/02 Thu
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Ëèøå ïðî "ñîâºöüêèé":)
In reply to: Ìaêñèì 's message, "Ïðî âñå ðàçîì." on 11:11:59 10/24/02 Thu

...Êîëè êàæóòü ñîâºöüêèé, òî íåìîâáè çàïåðå÷óþòü öèì âåñü ðàäÿíñüêèé ïåð³îä ÿê ùîñü ÷óæå, äèâëÿòüñÿ íà ìîº ð³äíå ìèíóëå ïîãëÿäîì ÷óæèíöÿ, ÿêèé öüîãî ðàäÿíñüêîãî äîñâ³äó íå ìàâ.

Ïðàâèëüíî, ñàìå òàê ³ ÿ â³ä÷óâàþ ö³ ðå÷³. Êîëè ìè âæèâàºìî "ñîâºöüêèé" áåç ïåðåêëàäó, ÿê òàêèé ñîá³ âàðâàðèçì (÷è òî áàðáàðèçì?), ìè òèì ñàìèì âñòàíîâëþºìî ïåâíó äèñòàíö³þ ì³æ ñîáîþ ³ ïîíÿòòÿì, òîáòî íå äîïóñêàºìî éîãî ó ñâîþ ìîâó, óòðèìóºìî "â³ä÷óæåíèì". Ïåðåêëàä íà ð³äíó ìîâó º ñèãíàëîì ëîÿëüíîñò³ ³ ³íòå´ðàö³¿, àáî ôàêòîì óïîêîðåííÿ.  öüîìó ³ ïîëÿãຠïðîáëåìà: ââàæàºìî ìè òó âëàäó ³ ¿¿ ö³ííîñò³ ëå´³òèìíèìè ÷è í³. ß äóìàþ, îäíîçíà÷íî¿ â³äïîâ³ä³ òóò áóòè íå ìîæå, öå ³íäèâ³äóàëüíå. Ö³êàâî áóëî á óòî÷íèòè, ÷è º õî÷ îäíà ìîâà, îêð³ì á³ëîðóñüêî¿ ³ óêðà¿íñüêî¿, ÿêà öå ïîíÿòòÿ àäàïòóâàëà, òîáòî ïåðåêëàëà âëàñíèìè çàñîáàìè.

Àëå õòî ç íàñ ìîæå ñêàçàòè, ùî â³í íå ðàäÿíñüêà ëþäèíà? Äå ïîä³ëèñÿ ò³ êîìñîìîëüö³, ï³îíåðè òà æîâòåíÿòà? Öå âñå íàøå ìèíóëå, ÿêå çàëèøèëî ñâ³é ñë³ä ³ çðîáèëî íàñ òàêèìè, ÿêèìè ìè º. Ëþäüìè, ÿêèì çàãàëîì áàéäóæå ìèíóëå, ÿêèì íåïîòð³áíà òðàäèö³ÿ. „Ìè íàø ìè íîâèé ì³ð...”, „äî îñíîâàíüÿ”.

Ìåí³ çäàºòüñÿ, ùî íåáàéäóæ³ñòü äî ìèíóëîãî çîêðåìà ³ ïðîÿâëÿºòüñÿ ó ðåâ³ç³¿ ñëîâà "ðàäÿíñüêèé":) Òîìó ùî äî òîãî "íîâîãî ñâ³òó" âæå ÿêèéñü ³ñíóâàâ, àëå "ðàäÿíñüê³" âåñü ÷àñ ðîáèëè âèãëÿä, ùî ¿õ íàðîäèëà íà ñâ³ò "ð³äíà ïàðò³ÿ". Àëå íå òðåáà çàáóâàòè, ùî çà òèì "ðàäÿíñüêèì ìèíóëèì" ³ñíóº ùå é ³íøå ìèíóëå.


Ìîæëèâî, öå ð³çíèöÿ ïîêîë³íü. Òîìó, õòî ìàâ ðàäÿíñüêèé äîñâ³ä ³ âñå æèòòÿ ïèñàâ "ðàäÿíñüêèé", ìîáóòü, òðóäíî òåïåð áóëî á âñå òå ïåðåêðåñëèòè ³ ïî÷àòè ïèñàòè "ñîâºöüêèé" í³ ñ³ëî í³ âïàëî. Òà é äèâíî òå âèãëÿäàëî á, äåùî ôàëüøèâî ³ íàãàäóâàëî á ïðî ïîë³òè÷íó êîí"þíêòóðó. Àëå òðàäèö³¿ ð³çí³ áóâàþòü, "ðàäÿíñüêèé" íàëåæèòü òðàäèö³¿, êîëè ö³ë³ ïîêîë³ííÿ áóëè âèìóøåíî ëîÿëüíèìè äî ñîâºöüêî¿ âëàäè ³ ç ¿õíüî¿ ïàì"ÿò³ áóëî âèêðåñëåíî íàâ³òü çãàäêó ïðî Öåíòðàëüíó Ðàäó, òîáòî ÷åðåç ïðèñòîñóâàííÿ òîãî "ðàäÿíñüêîãî" äî âëàäè ñîâåöüêî¿ âèõîäèëî òàê, ùî í³áè Öåíòðàëüíî¿ Ðàäè ³ íå ³ñíóâàëî, íàâ³òü ñëîâî íà ¿¿ ïîçíà÷åííÿ íàáóëî çîâñ³ì ³íøîãî, ïðîòèëåæíîãî çì³ñòó. Öå äóæå õèòðèé ³ öèí³÷íèé ìîâíèé òðþê, ÿê íà ì³é ïîãëÿä (ïðèáëèçíî ÿê Ðóñü ³ Ðîñ³ÿ). Òå áóëî çðîáëåíî ñèëîì³öü, ³ ÿêùî ìî¿ ñë³ï³ ³ îáäóðåí³ ä³äè ÷åðåç áðàê îñâ³òè ³ ïðîñòî ïî³íôîðìîâàíîñò³ çìóøåí³ áóëè äîòðèìóâàòèñÿ ò³º¿ íàêèíóòî¿ çâåðõó "íîðìè", òî öå íå º äëÿ ìåíå ïåðåêîíëèâèì ðåçîíîì, ÷îìó ³ ÿ òåæ ìóøó òÿãòè òó ñóìíó ñïàäùèíó ó ñâîº ìàéáóòíº. Íà ì³é ïîãëÿä, òðàäèö³ÿ áàòüê³â ó öüîìó âèïàäêó íå ìîæå áóòè æîäíèì àð´óìåíòîì. Âçàãàë³ íå ëþáëþ àïåëÿö³é äî äîñâ³äó ïðåäê³â ³ ¿õ ñâÿùåííèõ êîð³â. Òàê, ÿê âîíè æèëè, ÿ íå ïîáàæàþ ñâî¿ì âîðîãàì. À ÿêùî ïðåäêè íå çíàëè æîäíî¿ ìîâè çà âèíÿòêîì ñóðæèêà, ³ ñàìå éîãî ³ ââàæàëè ð³äíîþ ìîâîþ? ÿêùî ìàëè ïî òðè êëàñè îñâ³òè? ÿêùî õîäèëè íà ÷îòèðüîõ ëàïàõ, æèëè íà äåðåâàõ ³ ¿ëè ñèðå ì"ÿñî?.. Òî òàê, äëÿ êðàñè ñëîãó, çâè÷àéíî, àëå òóò ìåí³ éäåòüñÿ ñàìå ïðî ïèòàííÿ ñâ³òîãëÿäíî¿ åâîëþö³¿, äî ÿêî¿ ìèíóë³ ïîêîë³ííÿ âæå íå âñòèãíóòü. Æîâòåíÿò (÷è òî "îêòÿáðÿò"?) ³ ï³îíåð³â ÿ íå ââàæàþ ñîâºöüêèì äîñâ³äîì, îñê³ëüêè ó öüîìó í³æíîìó â³ö³ ëþäèíà ùå íå ìຠñôîðìîâàíîãî ñâ³òîãëÿäó ³ íå ìîæå áóòè ëîÿëüíîþ ÷è íåëîÿëüíîþ äî âëàäè, îñê³ëüêè òà ëîÿëüí³ñòü º ïèòàííÿì ñâ³äîìîãî âèáîðó, ÿêèé äèòèíà çðîáèòè íå ìîæå.

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