VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, [3], 4, 5, 6 ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 11:11:59 10/24/02 Thu
Author: Ìaêñèì
Subject: Ïðî âñå ðàçîì.
In reply to: Òðåéòÿê 's message, "ïîêè ùî ò³ëüêè ïðî ìîâó" on 16:15:38 10/23/02 Wed


Õîò³ëîñÿ á, ùîá ìè âçàãàë³ âèíåñëè çà ðàìêè ðîçìîâè ïðîòèñòàâëåííÿ íàñ Ìîñêâ³ ³ ìîñêîâñòâó. ß óêðà¿íåöü íå òîìó, ùî íå ìîñêâèí, à òîìó, ùî óêðà¿íåöü (íåïîëÿê, íåìàäÿð, íåìîñêâèí, ³ äàë³ çà âåëè÷åçíèì ñïèñêîì + ùå äåùî, ùî ðàö³îíàëüíîìó îïèñó íå ï³ääàºòüñÿ)... òàê âæå ñêëàëîñÿ. ßêùî ´ðóíòóâàòèñÿ íà öüîìó, òî ñòຠáåçãëóçäèì ïîñèëàííÿ íà Òîëî÷êà é çãàäêà ïðî òå, ùî öåðêîâíîñëîâ’ÿíñüêà áëèæ÷à äî ìîñêîâñüêî¿. Ìåí³ öå àáñîëþòíî ïàðàëåëüíî. Àäæå, ÿêùî çàâòðà, ðàïòîì, âñ³ ðîñ³ÿíö³ çàãîâîðÿòü óêðà¿íñüêîþ ç àêöåíòîì ïîäîëÿíèíà, ÿ íå ââàæàòèìó çà íàö³îíàëüíèé îáîâ’ÿçîê ãíó÷êî çì³íþâàòè ñâîþ ð³äíó ìîâó. (Ïðî Òîëî÷êà, òî âçàãàë³ îêðåìà êë³í³êà, íàâåäó ò³ëüêè ïàðó öèòàò ç Ìåëåò³ÿ Ñìîòðèöüêîãî:. „Ω ñîãëàñíûõú: ñîãëàñíàÿ ïèñüìåíà ñóòü: Á, Â, Ã, ¥, Ä ....”; ³ ïðî òå, ÿêó ìîâó ââàæàâ ðóñüêîþ ñàì Ìåëåò³é: „Ñëàâåíñêè ïðåâîäèìú: Óäåðæè ÿçûê ñâîé îò çëà è óñòà ñâî€ åæå íå ãëàòè ëñòè, Ðóñêè èñòîëêîâóåìú: Ãàìóé ÿçûêú ñâîé îò çëîãî, è óñòà òâîè íåõàé íå ìîâÿòú çðàäè.”) Äî ðå÷³, “â³òà” – íå ïîìèëêà-ïåðåðó÷åííÿ, à íîðìàëüíèé åòàï â ðîçâèòêó çâó÷àííÿ ö³º¿ áóêâè ó ãðåê³â.

Ñõîæà ñó÷àñíà íîðìàòèâíà ðîñ³éñüêà ìîâà íà äåùî ñïîòâîðåíó öåðêîâíîñëîâ’ÿíñüêó? ×óäîâî. Öå ìåíå çîâñ³ì íå îáõîäèòü. Ìåí³ ö³êàâ³øå, ùîá ñó÷àñíà óêðà¿íñüêà íå çàáîðîíÿëà äëÿ ñåáå ò³ â³êíà ìîæëèâîñòåé, ÿê³ çàëèøàþòüñÿ äîñòóïíèìè ³ ï³ñëÿ Êîòëÿðåâñüêîãî. ß çàêëèêàþ íå ìñòèòèñÿ êîíäóêòîðîâ³ („â³çüìó êâèòîê òà ï³éäó ï³øêè”). Ìîÿ „ïðîïà´àíäà” öåðêîâíîñëîâ’ÿíñüêî¿ ïîëÿãຠëèøå â öüîìó. Ìåíå íå ñï³éìàòè íà õèòðèé ãà÷îê „çáåðåæåííÿ òðàäèö³¿” ÷åðåç ïåðåõ³ä äî òðàäèö³¿ ³íøîãî íàðîäó. :) Ìè ìàºìî ñâîþ ³ ïîâèíí³ â³äøòîâõóâàòèñÿ â³ä öüîãî ôàêòó. ² æîäíà ÷óæèíåöüêà òðàäèö³ÿ íå äîïîìîæå íàì çáåðåãòè ñâîþ âëàñíó.

„Ïîëüñüêèé ïîêðó÷”? Ïîñì³õí³òüñÿ, öå ïðèõîâàíà êàìåðà. Äàâíî âæå (äåê³ëüêà äí³â :) íå ÷óâ öüîãî. Öüîìó çàðàäèòè íåìîæëèâî. Òîìó ³ ïîòð³áí³ ìîâ³ â³éñüêî é ôëîò, ùîá íàçèâàòèñÿ ìîâîþ. Ñüîãîäí³ îí ïðî÷èòàâ ÿê Ð.Ð.Òîëê³í âèñëîâëþâàâñÿ ïðî ³ðëàíäñüêó òà øîòëàíäñüêó ìîâè. Âãàäàéòå ç äâîõ ðàç³â, ÿêà ç öèõ ìîâ éîìó, ùèðîìó àíãë³éöåâ³, ÿêèé ïåðåéìàâñÿ çðîñòàííÿì ³ðëàäñüêîãî ñåïàðàòèçìó, áà÷èòüñÿ áðèäêèì ïîêðó÷åì, à ÿêà ìèëîçâó÷íîþ?

Ìåíå äóæå íåïîêîÿòü òàê³ ì³ðêóâàííÿ, ÿê â âèñëîâëåí³é Âàìè òåç³, êîëè çàðàäè íåîáõ³äíîñò³ çáåðåæåííÿ íàö³¿ éäåòüñÿ ïðî çàïåðå÷åííÿ (çì³íó) òîãî, ùî öþ íàö³þ ³ ñòâîðþº. Êîëè ìè ãîâîðèìî ïðî íàøó íàö³þ, ðàö³îíàëüí³ êàòåãî𳿠äîö³ëüíîñò³ ìàþòü ðàõóâàòèñÿ ç òèì, ùî º ðå÷³, äëÿ ÿêèõ âîíè íå ìàþòü ñåíñó. Áóòè ãíó÷êèì ³ ïðèñòîñîâóâàòèñÿ -- ïðÿìèé øëÿõ âòðàòè âñüîãî òîãî, ùî íàñïðàâä³ âàðòå çàõèñòó. Öå ÿê íà çîí³, äîñèòü îäèí ðàç ïîâåñòèñÿ íåäîñòîéíî, íå çà ïîíÿòòÿìè, ³ òè âæå „îïóùºíèé”. Ìîÿ íàö³ÿ âàðòà òîãî, ùîá íå ï³ääàâàòèñÿ. Ãíó÷ê³ñòü íå ìîæå áóòè áåçêîíå÷íîþ ³ íå ïîâèííà òîðêàòèñÿ îñíîâ ³ñíóâàííÿ íàðîäó. Ñïîä³âàþñÿ, íå çàïåðå÷óâàòèìåòå, ùî ìîâà – ùå òà îñíîâà.

Ïðèêëàä ç õîðâàòàìè òà ñåðáàìè íåâäàëèé òà çà âåëèêèì ðàõóíêîì ñïðàöüîâóº ïðîòè Âàø³õ àð´óìåíò³â. Æîäíî¿ ðàö³îíàëüíîñò³, âèá³ð àëôàâ³òó ðîáèâñÿ çà ðåë³ã³éíîþ îçíàêîþ. Íàì â öüîìó ïëàí³ ïîùàñòèëî. Ãðåêî-êàòîëèêè Çàõ³äíî¿ Óêðà¿íè çáåðåãëè òðàäèö³þ êèðèë³÷íîãî ïèñüìà. Ìîãëè á ìàòè âæå íà ïî÷àòêó XX ñò. äâà îêðåì³ íàðîäè ç îäí³ºþ ìîâîþ, íåáåçïåêà áóëà, ùå çà ÷àñ³â Ãðóøåâñüêîãî.
Ç Ðîãàòèíöåì íå äóæå çðîçóì³â. Ïàì’ÿòàþ, Âèøåíñüêèé âèñòóïàâ ïðîòè Ðîãàòèíöÿ ëèøå ÿê ïðîòè ì³ùàíèíà-áàãàò³ÿ. Àñêåò ïðîòè áàãàòñòâà, òî çàãàëüíîõðèñòèÿíñüêèé ïðèêîë ³ â³äïîâ³äü íà öåé çàêèä äàâ ïåðøèì ͳöøå. À Ðîãàòèíåöü ââàæàâ, ùî êîæåí ñâ³äîìèé ãðîìàäÿíèí ïîâèíåí äáàòè íå ò³ëüêè ïðî ñåáå, à é ïðî ³íøèõ, òðåáà íå ëèøå ïðî îñîáèñòå ñïàñ³ííÿ äóìàòè, à ïðî ñïàñ³ííÿ íàðîäó, òîìó òðåáà éòè â íàðîä ç ïðîïîâ³äÿìè. Ñàìó "Ïåðåñòîðîãó", àâòîðîì ÿêî¿ ââàæàþòü ÷è-òî Ðîãàòèíöÿ, ÷è-òî Áîðåöüêîãî äèâ.
«Ïåðåñòîðîãà»

„Ñîâºöüêèé”. Ðàäèé, ùî ïîò³øèâ. Ñïðàâä³, ñîíå÷êî ó äèòñàäî÷êó ñâ³òèëî ÿñí³øå çà òåïåð³øíº, à êîâáàñà ñìà÷í³øà. Àëå õòî ç íàñ ìîæå ñêàçàòè, ùî â³í íå ðàäÿíñüêà ëþäèíà? Äå ïîä³ëèñÿ ò³ êîìñîìîëüö³, ï³îíåðè òà æîâòåíÿòà? Öå âñå íàøå ìèíóëå, ÿêå çàëèøèëî ñâ³é ñë³ä ³ çðîáèëî íàñ òàêèìè, ÿêèìè ìè º. Ëþäüìè, ÿêèì çàãàëîì áàéäóæå ìèíóëå, ÿêèì íåïîòð³áíà òðàäèö³ÿ. „Ìè íàø ìè íîâèé ì³ð...”, „äî îñíîâàíüÿ”. Îé-éîé, áîþñü, ùî ñàìå öå ðàäÿíñòâî ³ äîçâîëÿº íàì âçàãàë³ ðîçì³ðêîâóâàòè ïðî ãíó÷ê³ñòü çàðàäè ñâ³òëîãî ìàéáóòíüîãî (íåõàé íå ëþäñòâà, à íàö³¿).

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[ Contact Forum Admin ]

Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.