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Date Posted: 12:07:24 03/06/02 Wed
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Re: Âëàñíå, ÿ íå ʳííàíîëîã
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "Âëàñíå, ÿ íå ʳííàíîëîã" on 23:43:31 03/05/02 Tue

ß ñïî÷àòêó íå çðîçóì³â, ùî êîíêðåòíî ìàëîñÿ íà óâàç³, òîìó ùî ìåíå çáèëà ç ïàíòëèêó "àíòèìîâà". Òðàäèö³éíî òàê íàçèâàºòüñÿ ñàìå ìàò (ÿê ñêëàäîâà ÷àñòèíà àíòè-ñâ³òó, àíòè-ïîâåä³íêè). "Ôåíÿ" æ, ÿê ³ ³íø³ àðãî, öå ïðîñòî òàêà ñîá³ "ïðîôåñ³éíî-êîðïîðàòèâíà" ìîâà, ÿêà ìຠíà ìåò³ íå øîêóâàòè îòî÷åííÿ (àñîö³àëüíà ôóíêö³ÿ), à ïðèõîâàòè â³ä ñòîðîíí³õ çì³ñò ïîâ³äîìëåííÿ.
Ââàæàºòüñÿ, ùî ôºíÿ âåäå ñâ³é ðîäîâ³ä â³ä ìîâè îôºíºé. Àëå íå ò³ëüêè: òàì ùå âïëèíóëè ³ ³íø³ æàðãîíè - æåáðàê³â, êàë³ê ïåðåõîæèõ, ìàíäð³âíèõ ìóçèê òà ³íøèõ ìàð´³íàëüíèõ ãðóï. Ùî æ äî îôºíºé, òî ³ñíóº ê³ëüêà ã³ïîòåç ïðî ïîõîäæåííÿ ñàìîãî ñëîâà, àëå æîäíà ç íèõ íå âèãëÿäຠïåðåêîíëèâîþ. Õ³áà ùî êð³ì îäí³º¿: "îôºí³òüñÿ" îçíà÷àëî "ìîëèòèñÿ", "õðåñòèòèñÿ", "îôåñò" - õðåñò, çíà÷èòü çà ëîã³êîþ "îôºíÿ" - õðåùåíèé, ïðàâîñëàâíèé. Âëàñíå, íåõðåùåíèì óãðî-ô³íàì çàéìàòèñÿ êîìåðö³ºþ çàáîðîíÿëîñÿ, ÿê ³ ³óäåÿì.
Ö³êàâî, ùî ñàì³ ñåáå âîíè ùå íàçèâàëè "ìàñèãàìè"/"ìàçèêàìè" àáî "îáçåòèëüíèêàìè" (â³ä "îáçåòèòü" - îáäóðèòè ¿õíüîþ ìîâîþ). "Ìàçèêè" òåæ ïðèáëèçíî â³äïîâ³äຠö³é ñåìàíòèö³, "ìàçóðèê" ó çíà÷åíí³ "øàõðàé", "êðàä³é" - òåæ çâ³äñè. ß ñïî÷àòêó áóâ ïîäóìàâ, ùî öå â³ä "ìàçà" ó äåÿêèõ ô³í.ìîâàõ - "ãàðíèé, ëàäíèé, ñèëüíèé" ³ "ãîëîâà ðîäó àáî ÿêî¿ñü ñï³ëüíîòè", òîìó ùî ó ñó÷àñíîìó áëàòíîìó æàðãîí³ ñëîâî ç öèì êîðåíåì îçíà÷ຠùîñü òèïó "ïàõàíà". Àëå, äîñë³äèâøè äîêëàäí³øå, âèÿâèâ, ùî ñëîâî ïîâ"ÿçàíå ç ö³ëèì êîëîì ïîíÿòü, çãðóïîâàíèõ íàâêîëî çíà÷åííÿ " ïåâíà êðèì³íàëüíà ñï³ëüíîòà" (ïîð³âíÿéòå, íàïðèêëàä, ñó÷àñíå æàðãîííå "äåðæàòü ìàçó", ïîíÿòòÿ âçàºìîäîïîìîãè), à åòèìîëîã³ÿ òóò ïðîñòà: îôåíñüêå ìàñ — ÿ; ìàñè — ìû; ìàñèãè — ìû, ñâî¿. Ö³êàâî, ùî çâ³äñè âèâîäèìî ³ "áëàòíóþ ìóçèêó", ÿêà íàñïðàâä³ í³÷îãî ñï³ëüíîãî í³ ç ìóçèêîþ, í³ ç æîäíèì ìèñòåöòâîì, îêð³ì êðèì³íàëüíîãî, âçàãàë³ íå ìàº. Öå ïðîñòî ïåðå³íàêøåíå "ìàçèêà". Òàêå ÷àñòåíüêî òðàïëÿºòüñÿ ó ð³çíèõ øòó÷íèõ ìîâàõ: íàïðèêëàä, àë³ê - àëêîãîëèê, ÷åõ - ÷å÷åíåöü. Ö³êàâà ³ñòîð³ÿ ñëîâà "ëîõ". Ïîáóòóº ôîðìóëà "õîäèòü íà Ëåõó", òîáòî íà "ëîõà". À âçàãàë³ ñëîâî ñàìå ô³íñüêîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ: ñïî÷àòêó áóëî ô³í.lohi - ëîñîñü, òóïà ðèáà, ÿêó ìîæíà áðàòè ãîëèìè ðóêàìè, êîëè âîíà íåðåñòèòüñÿ. Ïîáóòóâàëî íà ï³âíî÷³.
Òî ñûí Êàðåëû ìîë÷àëèâûé
Áåñïå÷íûõ ëîõîâ ñîííûé ðîé
Òðåâîæèò ìåòêîé îñòðîãîé.
Ïîò³ì â³ä ï³âí³÷íèõ óãðî-ô³í³â ïåðåñóíóëîñÿ ³ íà ñõ³ä ³ òóò îôºí³ ïî÷àëè òàê íàçèâàòè ñåëÿí. Íó à ñüîãîäí³ âæå ëîõàìè º âñ³, îêð³ì íå-ëîõ³â:) Îñü òàêà ö³êàâà ³ñòîð³ÿ.
Âçàãàë³ òàì, çâè÷àéíî, òà ìîâà íå ò³ëüêè ç óãðî-ô³íñüêî¿ ëåêñèêè ñêëàäàëàñÿ (ìîâîçíàâö³ ñîðîì"ÿçëèâî íàçèàþòü ¿¿ "ä³àëåêòíîþ"), àëå é ç ãðåöüî¿, ³ä³ø, òþðêñüêî¿ ³ íàâ³òü öèãàíñüêî¿. Âò³ì, ùå íà ïî÷àòêó ìèíóëîãî ñòîë³òòÿ ò³ "ä³àëåêòèçìè" òàêèìè íå âèçíàâàëèñÿ, òî âæå, î÷åâèäíî, ï³çí³øå âèãàäàëè: Óñïåíñêèé À. Ñðàâíåíèå îôåíñêèõ ñëîâ ñ íàïå÷àòàííûìè â Òðóäàõ Îáùåñòâà ñëîâàìè íåèçâåñòíîãî ÿçûêà, óïîòðåáèòåëüíûìè ó æèòåëåé ðàçíûõ ðîññèéñêèõ ïðîâèíöèé. Ì., 1828. (Ïàðàëëåëüíûé òîëêîâûé ñëîâàðü îêîëî 200 ñëîâ, óïîòðåáëÿþùèõñÿ â Êîñòðîìñêîé è äðóãèõ ãóáåðíèÿõ, è ñëîâ îôåíñêîãî èñêóññòâåííîãî ÿçûêà, óïîòðåáëÿþùèõñÿ âî Âëàäèìèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè.) Âëàñíå, ³ ñàìà îôåíñüêà ìîâà ÿê òàêà ïîõîäèòü ç Âîëîäèìèðñüêî¿, Êîìñòðîìñüêî¿ ³ ßðîñëàâñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³é. Ãðåê³â òàì òî÷íî íå ñòîÿëî, çàòå ìåøêàëî áàãàöüêî óãðî-ô³í³â. Ùî ùå òóò ñêàçàòè? Áàëàíäà, íàïðèêëàä, íà Ðÿçàíùèí³, Òàìáîâùèí³ ³ Ñèìá³ðùèí³ - öå ùîñü íà çðàçîê çàêâàøåíî¿ îêðîøêè ó âèãëÿä³ õîëîäöÿ (ñòðàâà óãðî-ô³íñüêî¿ êóõí³, çâè÷àéíî æ), "áàðèãà" ñïî÷àòêó îçíà÷àëî "êóðåöü", "øàðèòè" - "òÿìèòè", çâ³äêè ³ "äàâàòè ïî øàðàì" (áèòè â ìîçîê, ïðî àëêîãîëü).
Ùîäî "áîòàòè", òî íà ñüîãîäí³ ÿ ô³íñüêîãî îðèã³íàëà ùå íå çíàéøîâ. Ìîæå, Ðîñò çíàº. ß õî÷à ³ ãîòîâèé ï³òè äóæå äàëåêî ó ñâî¿é ëþáîâ³ äî óãðî-ô³í³â, àëå íå äî òàêî¿ ì³ðè, ùîá àæ âèâ÷èòè âñ³ ¿õí³ ìîâè. Õî÷à Ðîñò ðàäèòü îñèëèòè õî÷à á ìîêøàíñüêó, ÿêà â íèõ ïðàâèòü çà ñàíñêðèò. Âëàñíå, ñàìå òîìó ÿ öþ òåìó ³ çàêèíóâ. Òðåáà âîëîä³òè ìîâàìè. Ñàì³ ìîñêâèíè, çâ³ñíî, âèâîäÿòü "áîòàòè" â³ä "áîëòàòü", àëå ¿ì â³ðèòè íå ìîæíà, òðåáà âñå ïåðåâ³ðÿòè ³ ä³ëèòè íà 10.
Íó ³ íàðåøò³ îäíà ïðèºìíà çâ³ñòêà. Ââàæàºòüñÿ, ùî îôºíñüêà ìîâà ùåçëà îñòàòî÷íî ùå íà ïî÷àòêó 20 ñò. Àí íºò, ìàòü ¿å çà íà´ó!.. Æèâå íà Îðëîâùèí³ ó îêðåìî óçÿòîìó çàïîâ³äíèêó ³ ïîíèí³: http://www.litrossia.ru/rubrika.html?y=2001&n=38&r=vlast&s=prov
Ö³êàâî, ùî çà ñâ³ä÷åííÿìè î÷åâèäö³â, ìîâà öÿ çäàëÿ òàêè íàãàäóº ô³íñüê³.

Ç ïðèâîäó ìàòó. ²ñíóº òðè îñíîâíèõ âåðñ³¿ ïîõîäæåííÿ: ñëîâ"ÿíñüêà, óãðî-ô³íñüêà ³ òàòàðñüêà. ßêó ç íèõ, Ìàêñèìå, âè ââàæàºòå ïðèéíÿòíîþ? ×è, ìîæå, ùîñü ³íøå?

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