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Date Posted: 20:40:00 03/10/02 Sun
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: ïðî ìîâè
In reply to: Norman 's message, "Re: ö³êàâèé ï³äõ³ä" on 05:58:50 03/06/02 Wed

Ta ni, jak na mene to holuiv vvazhajut' sho tse duzhe malogramotno znaty sami evropejski movy i ni odnoi Shidnoi :))

Ïî-ïåðøå, íå òðåáà òàê íåäîö³íþâàòè ñõ³äí³ ìîâè: ñïðîáóé-íî âèâ÷èòè ê³òàéñüêó, ìîíãîëüñüêó, òóðåöüêó, àðàáñüêó, ³ ò.ä. Öå âåëèêèé òðóä - é íàáàãàòî òÿæ÷èé, í³æ âèâ÷èòè íàéá³ëüø ïîøèðåí³ ºâðîïåéñüê³ ìîâè, ÿê-îò ôðàíöóçüêó, í³ìåöüêó ³ ò. ä., ç ¿õíüîþ òîáîþ óëþáëåíîþ ëàòèíêîþ :) Äî òîãî æ, ö³ âñ³ ìîâè äî ïåâíî¿ ì³ðè ñïîð³äíåí³, é âèâ÷èâøè îäíó, ëåãøå âèâ÷àòè äðóãó, òðåòþ é äàë³. Áàãàòî ñï³ëüíèõ ñë³â, áóäîâà êîæíî¿ ìîâè äî ïåâíî¿ ì³ðè ïîä³áíà é ò.³í. Çâè÷àéíî, ÿ íå ìàþ òóò íà óâàç³ áàñêñüêó ÷è óãîðñüêó.

³äòàê ëþäèíà, ÿêà çíຠíàïðèêëàä ï"ÿòü òàêèõ ìîâ: àðàáñüêà, òóðåöüêà, ìîíãîëüñêà, ê³òàéñüêà, ÿïîíñüêà
çàñëóãîâóº íà á³ëüøó ïîâàãó, àí³æ òàêà ùî çíàº, ñêàæèìî, êàñòèëüñüêó, ³òàë³éñüêó, ôðàíöóçüêó, í³ìåöüêó, òà
àíãë³éñüêó. Áî âåëèêèé òðóä.

Ïî-äðóãå, ÿêùî ãîâîðèòè ñàìå ïðî ìîñêàë³â òà ¿õí³õ õîëóéê³â, òî âîíè íàïåðåñ³÷ âçàãàë³ çíàííÿì
áóäü-ÿêèõ ìîâ ñåáå íå õî÷óòü îáòÿæóâàòè, ¿ì âèñòà÷ຠîäíî¿-ºäèíî¿ ðîñ³éñüêî¿, ÿêîþ, äî ðå÷³, áàãàòî õòî ç íèõ íå â쳺 ÿê ñë³ä í³ ïèñàòè, àí³ ðîçìîâëÿòè. ² öå ïðè òîìó, ùî öÿ ìîâà º äëÿ íèõ ð³äíîþ, é ôàêòè÷íî ºäèíîþ ¿ì çíàíîþ (íàéö³êàâ³øå, ùî òàê³ îñîáè áóâàþòü íàéçàòÿò³ø³ â íåáàæàíí³ â÷èòè ³íø³ ìîâè). Àëå âîäíî÷àñ, ðîñ³éñüêà äëÿ íèõ - öå ºäèíà ïðèéíÿòíà ìîâà, áî ò³ëüêè âîíà º "÷åëîâº÷åñêàÿ", à âñ³ ðåøòà - í³áè é í³, ùî âæå ãîâîðèòè ïðî óêðà¿íñüêó, á³ëîðóñüêó, òîùî, ÿê³ íå áàæàþòü â÷èòè ïðèíöèïîâî. Îòàêà â íèõ "ïîçèö³ÿ".

Ïî-òðåòº, äîö³ëüíî áóëî á ðîçãëÿíóòè ñóòü ö³º¿ ïîçèö³¿ òà ¿¿ ïðè÷èíè. Àëå öå âåëèêà òåìà, é òî ìóñèòü áóòè îêðåìèé äîïèñ, ñàìå ö³é òåì³ ïðèñâÿ÷åíèé.


Êîðîòêèé âèêëàä (ñàì³ òåçè):

1. ìîñêàëÿì òà ¿õí³ì õîëóéêàì â Óêðà¿í³ éäåòüñÿ âçàãàë³ íå ïðî ð³âíîïðàâíó äâîìîâí³ñòü, àëå ïðî ðîñ³éñüêó îäíîìîâí³ñòü.

2. ìîâè ïîä³ëÿþòüñÿ íà "ïàíñüê³" òà "ï³äïîðÿäêîâàí³". Ìîñêàëüñüêà ïîçèö³ÿ - "ïàíñüêà": ìîâëÿâ, íåõàé âñ³ â÷àòü ìîþ ìîâó, à ÿ ³íø³ ìîâè â÷èòè íå áóäó. À óêðà¿íö³ (íà 11-ìó ðîö³ íåçàëåæíîñò³) - "ï³äïîðÿäêîâàí³".

3. Çì³íèòè öåé ñòàí ìîæíà çà äîïîãîþ îáìåæóþ÷èõ çàõîä³â òà ï³äòðèì÷èõ ä³é. Äîáðèé ïðèêëàä òàêèõ îáìåæóþ÷èõ çàõîä³â ìàºìî â öüîìó ôîðóì³. Åôåêò: íàéçàòÿò³ø³ ïðèõèüíèêè äâîìîâíîñò³ (÷èòàé ðîñ³éñüêî¿ îäíîìîâíîñò³) çìóøåí³ ïèñàòè ïî-óêðà¿íñüêè, áî àëüòåðíàòèâîþ º ... ìîâ÷àíêà. :)

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