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Date Posted: 16:20:53 10/24/01 Wed
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: Re: äåÿê³ ïèòàííÿ
In reply to: Åðíñò Çàãðàâà 's message, "Re: äåÿê³ ïèòàííÿ" on 13:40:45 10/13/01 Sat

ͳ, ÿ õîò³â óòî÷íèòè, äåòàë³çóâàòè öå ïèòàííÿ, ùîáè ÷³òêî óÿâèòè ïî÷àòêîâó êîíöåïö³þ ³ ñòðàòåã³þ äàëüøèõ ä³é. Âëàñíå, â ê³ëüêà ðÿäê³â íèæ÷å âè ïèøåòå: ÒÍÊ ìàòèìå â Óêðà¿í³ ëèøå ïåâí³ ñâî¿ ï³äðîçä³ëè [....] Êîðäîíè äëÿ êîíêóðåíö³¿ òðåáà â³äêðèâàòè íå îäíî÷àñíî äëÿ âñ³õ ãàëóçåéM. Òîä³ âñå ñòຠíà ñâî¿ ì³ñöÿ. Öå çá³ãàºòüñÿ ç ìî¿ì âëàñíèì óÿâëåííÿì. Äîêè íå áóäå ïîáóäîâàíà äåðæàâíà êîðïîðàö³ÿ, êîíêóðåíö³þ ç áîêó ÒÍÊ äîâåäåòüñÿ ñåðéçíî îáìåæèòè. Òðåáà íàáðàòè ñèëó, ³ ò³ëüêè òîä³ ñòàâàòè äî ñïðàâæíüîãî áîþ...

Ñïðàâà ìîæå ñòàíå êðèòè÷íîþ, ÿêùî áàãàòî ãàëóçåé îäíî÷àñíî ï³ääàäóòüñÿ íàâàë³. Òàê ñàìå, ÿê, íà ïðèêëàä, ÑØÀ ÷è íàâðÿä âèòðèìàëè á, ÿêáè âñ³ êðà¿íè îäíî÷àñíî îãîëîñèëè á ¿ì â³éíó. Àëå òàêå òðàïëÿºòüñÿ, ñêàæ³ìî òàê, íå ÷àñòî.

À ÿêùî âñ³ äåðæàâè áóäóòü âæå îïàíîâàí³ ÷åðåç ÒÍÊ? À â íàñ íàòîì³ñòü äåðæ. êîðïîðàö³ÿ? Òî ùî áóäå? Íàø³ "â³äì³ííîñò³ íàö³îàëüíî¿ åêîíîì³êè" ¿ì ìîæóòm, ì"ÿêî êàæó÷è, íå ñïîäîáàòèñü. Âîíè ìîæóòü é äîìîâèòèñü ïðî ñï³ëüíó íàâàëó, õ³áà íå òàê? Çãàäàéòå õî÷à á ÷àñè "õîëîäíî¿ â³éíè". Äóæå òðóäíî áóäå îïèðàòèñÿ, ÿê âè âæå çàçíà÷èëè. Àëå òàêèé ñóìíèé ðîçâèòîê ïîä³é íå ìîæíà âèêëþ÷àòè; ÿê íà ìåíå, â³í íåîáîâ"ÿçêîâèé, ïðîòå ö³ëêîì éìîâ³ðíèé. ²íøà ð³÷, êîëè éäåòüñÿ, íàïðèêëàä, ïðî ãðóïó äåðæàâíèõ êîðïîðàö³é (ìàþ íà óâàç³ ê³ëüêà äåðæàâ).

Àëå ìîæëèâî ³ òóò äåðæàâà ìóñèòü ïðîÿâèòè ³í³ö³àòèâó îðãàí³çóþ÷è ïîä³áí³ ôîíäè ³ òîâàðèñòâà ñàìà, à ï³ñëÿ â³äïóñêàþ÷è ¿õ ó ñàìîñò³éíå ïëàâàííÿ

Îòæå, äåðæàâ³ º ÷èì çàéìàòèñÿ. Îêð³ì çàáåçïå÷åííÿ ì³í³ìóì³â òðåáà ùå çàéìàòèñü ñòâîðåííÿì ôîíä³â. ßê ï³äåìî äàë³, òî ìàáóòü ùå íîâ³ çàâäàííÿ ïîñòàíóòü. ßê òóò îá³éòèñÿ áåç äîáðîãî óðÿäîâöÿ? Áî íà ïî÷àòêîâîìó åòàï³ âñå çàëåæèòü â³ä íüîãî. Ïîãîäüòåñÿ, äëÿ òîãî éîìó (éîãî ãðóï³) òðåáà ìàòè ïðèíàéìí³ ê³ëüêà ðîê³â ñïîê³éíî¿ ïðàö³. É áàæàíî áåç óñÿêèõ òàì ïàðëàìåíòñüêèõ ³íòðèã, çàáàâ ³ç ñêèäàííÿì/íå ñêèäàííÿì òîùî. Òóò òðåáà ìàòè àáî ì³öíó îäíîð³äíó ïàðëàìåíòñüêó á³ëüø³ñòü (òðóäíî), àáî æ ÿêîñü îáìåæóâàòè äåìîêðàò³þ íà ÷àñå ðåôîðì, çàïðîâàäæóþ÷è òèì ñàìèì äèêòàòóðó â ò³é ÷è ³íø³é ôîðì³...

Âò³ì, öå ÿ çâåðíóâñÿ äî àñïåêòó ïîë³òè÷íîãî, àëå äëÿ ïðîâàäæåííÿ ÿê³ñíî íîâî¿ åêîíîì³÷íî¿ ïîë³òèêè êîí÷å íåîáõ³äíå ïîë³òè÷íå ï³äãðóíòÿ. Îñîáëèâî íà ïî÷àòêîâîìó åòàï³.

Âðåøò³ ðåøò “ãîäóþ÷ó ðóêó” äåðæàâè òðåáà çàì³íèòè íà “ðóêó äîáðîãî àíãåëà” – íà ðóêó, ùî çàâæäè ïðèéäå íà äîïîìîãó, àëå âæå â ñïðàâä³ ñêðóòí³é ñèòóàö³¿, à íå çà êîæíîãî íå âàðòîãî óâàãè âèïàäêó.

Çã³äíèé. Âëàñíå, öå ³ áóäå åôåêòèâíèé êîíòðîëü.

Ëþäè ÿê ä³òè, çâèêàþòü áðàòè óâåñü ÷àñ, òà ùå é îáóðþþòüñÿ êîëè ðóêà âæå íå âçìîç³ äàâàòè á³ëüøå. Õ³áà ä³òè áóâàþòü ïî ñïðàâæíüîìó âäÿ÷í³ ñâî¿ì áàòüêàì çà äîïîìîãó? Öå ñïðèéìàºòüñÿ ÿê ñàìî ñîáîþ.

Íó ëþäå âçàãàë³ íåâäÿ÷í³ òâàðèíè :) ßêùî áðàòè øèðøå, òî ëþäñüêó ïðèðîäó ïîñò³éíî äîâîäèòüñÿ ñòðèìóâàòè. Îòóò, äî ðå÷³, ë³áåðàëè ÿêðàç íå ïðàâ³, ùî ëþäèí³ ³ ¿¿ ïðèðîä³ òðåáà äàâàòè ïîâíó âîëþ.

Òàê ³ âèïàäຠ– ÷èì á³ëüøå äåðæàâà äàº, òèì á³ëüøå äî íå¿ ïðåòåíç³é. ˳áåðàëè ìàþòü ðàö³þ êîëè êðèòèêóþòü ñîö³àë-äåìîêðàò³â çà ðîçêëàäàþ÷èé âïëèâ äåðæàâíîãî ïàòåðíàë³çìó.

Íèí³øíÿ ñîö³àë-äåìîêðàò³ÿ ÷àñòî-ãóñòî âæå òàêà ïîñêóáàíà, ùî ïîäåêóäè ¿é é äî ðàäèêàëüíîãî ë³áåðàë³çìó âæå íåäàëåêî. :) Äåæàâíà îï³êà - ð³÷ ïîòð³áíà, ïðîñòî íå òðåáà íåþ çëîâæèâàòè.

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