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Welcome to (www.voy.com/40560/): Also see: www.voy.com/241710/(Principality of Doggerland) We have created an image of an omniscient, invisible, all powerful, magical old man in the sky, we call "God". The truth is there is more evidence of the existence of extraterrestrials then there is for the existence of God. There have been many recent eyewittness accounts of UFOs. Anyone seen God lately? However, I do believe in God. Why? Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Do I believe my distant uncle, Jesus, was the son of God? In a manner of speaking, yes (Matthew 13:55). But, I also believe he was the genetic son of Joseph, King de jure of Judaea. **Fundamentalism** (There is nothing fun about fundamentalism) Jesus was voted a "God" by the Council of Nicea in 325AD. The present Bible was put together in 367AD and those who chose what books were to go in it were the disciples of the teachings of Paul, Saul of Tarsus, and thereby chose books that reflect Paul's ideology. The earliest Gospel is considered to be that of Mark. Mark's Gospel is considered to have been written between 66A.D. and 74A.D. either during or shortly after the jewish revolt. I have a very different idea of bible history from the norm taught every Sunday. In much of fundamentalist teaching a literal interpretation of the Bible is required, not allowing for the possibility that many Bible stories were written by persons who were at an event but put pen to paper many years after the event had occurred. Many more stories were surely written by scribes being dictated to by persons who were at an event, but many years had passed since the event or, handed down as oral history. This is not even to mention the possibility of intentional changes being made to a story to make one's self or one's family group or tribe look good or another tribe look bad or, to have one's own point of view, such as that of Saul of Tarsus, be put forward in place of the truth. Therefore, in the fundamentalist doctrine, any attempt to even discuss the possibility that any part of the Bible is inaccurate is viewed as an act of the Devil and, the inquisitive person is viewed as an instrument of the Devil. It is an attitude that crosses into the level of the insane. The Bible, as it exists today, is a product of not only an arbitrary selective process but of drastic editing, censorship and revision. In 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' a story of how one Professor Morton Smith of Columbia University discovered a letter containing a missing fragment of the Gospel of Mark in a monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, pages 318 to 321. In a letter from an early church father, Bishop Clement of Alexandria, to one Theodore. Commenting on Theodores suppression of a Gnostic sect that was interpreting certain passages of the Gospel of Mark. He writes **"You did well in silencing the unspeakable teachings of the Carpocratians. For these are the "wandering stars" referred to in the prophecy, who wander from the narrow road of the commandments into a boundless abyss of the carnal and bodily sins. For, priding themselves in knowledge, as they say, "of the deep (things) of Satan," they do not know that they are casting themselves away into "the nether world of the darkness" of falsity, and, boasting that they are free, they have become slaves of servile desires. Such (men) are to be opposed in all ways and altogether. For, even if they should say something true, one who loves the truth should not, even so, agree with them. For not all true (things) are the truth, nor should that truth which (merely) seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith." In the following Clement goes on to discuss the "misuse" of the Gospel of Mark by the Carpocratians. "(As for) Mark, then, during Peter's stay in Rome he wrote (an account of) the Lord's doings, not, however, declaring all (of them), nor yet hinting at the secret (ones), but selecting those he thought most useful for increasing the faith of those who were being instructed. But when Peter died as a martyr, Mark came over to Alexandria, bring both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his former book the things suitable to whatever makes for progress towards knowledge (gnosis). (Thus) he composed a more spiritual Gospel for the use of those who were being perfected. Nevertheless, he yet did not divulge the things not to be uttered, nor did he write down the hierophantic teaching of the Lord, but to the stories already written he added others and, moreover, brought in certain sayings of which he knew the interpretation would, as a mystagogue, lead the hearers into the innermost sanctuary of that truth hidden by seven (veils). Thus, in sum, he prearranged matters, neither grudgingly nor incautiously, in my opinion, and, dying, he left his composition to the church in Alexandria, where it even yet is most carefully guarded, being read only to those who are being initiated into the great mysteries. But since foul demons are always devising destruction for the race of men, Carpocrates, instructed by them and using deceitful arts, so enslaved a certain presbyter of the church in Alexandria that he got from him a copy of the secret Gospel, which he both interpreted according to his blasphemous and carnal doctrine and, moreover, polluted, mixing with the spotless and holy words utterly shameless lies." Clement acknowledges the authenticity of the secret Gospel of Mark. "To them (the Carpocratians), therefore, as I said above, one must never give way, nor, when they put forward their falsification, should one concede that the secret Gospel is by Mark, but should even deny it on oath. For "not all true (things) are to be said to all men."** It should be remembered that Bishop Clement did not intend for this letter to be read by anyone but Theodore. Thanks to the monks in the monastery we now have this important document to show us how the New Testament was rewritten, added to and subtracted from to be the book it is today. If the Bible has been rearranged, it can not be said to be inerrant. Therefore which sections of the New Testament can we trust as being "untampered with, unsullied, untarnished?" It seems to me with this knowledge, much of the N.T. must be suspect. For more insight I recommend reading 'Bloodline of The Holy Grail', by Laurence Gardner. A little about me, in case you're interested. I am a heterosexual, caucasian, married man and a former active duty U.S. Marine. The truth is I'm about as ordinary and boring as the day is long. My connection to this religious debate has to do with my Great Grandmother, Mary Ada Puryear Dugger, the mother of my grandmother, Rosa G. Dugger Barnes. Mary Ada was one of four daughters of Solomon S. Puryear, of Macon Co. N.C.,(Solomon S. born 1847). The name has also been spelled as Puryer, Peryer, Purrier, Perrier, Perere, Parar and many others; "Neferkheperure". Also, Saxeby-Perers (Shakspeare). Before 1066AD Perers came from Periers, now Ferrieres-Haut-Clocher, near Evreux, Normandy. They are descendants of Budic I, Count of Cornouailles, Brittany France, ca. 900 AD.(Reference,'The Norman People' by Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc. 1001 N. Calvert St., Baltimore, Md. 21202, pages 360-361.) It seems that Budic I, was the Great Great Grandson of Argant the Prince of Brittany, France (Reference,'The Plantagenet Ancestry' by Lt.-Col. W.H. Turton, same publisher, page 188.) It also seems that Prince Argant is the descendant, Great x 25 grandson, of James, the younger brother of Jesus Christ. (Referance, 'Bloodline of The Holy Grail' by Laurence Gardner, pages 184-186, Chart, Descent of the Rulers of Wales and Brittany.) This is how I am connected to it. If anyone wishes to contact me they can do so at, P.O. Box 98 Hollywood, Ala. 35752. I can be identified by two red birthmarks on the back of my right hand and three more under the same wrist, and two more very small ones on the wrist for a total of seven. All of which looks like a mape to something. It is only my wish to find truth. I am Michael D. Barnes, a.k.a. teltalheart.Consider it Copyrighted


Subject: Post 314 A: Barnes Family Genealogy; Dec.22/12


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Post 314 A: Barnes Family Genealogy; Dec.22/12

GEOFFREY PLANTAGENET, Count of Anjou, b.1113; natural son by an unknown mistress___.
HAMELIN, 5th Earl of Surrey, b.1129; m. ISABEL DE WARENNE
MAUD DE WARENNE; m. HENRY of EU, Count of EU.
ALICE OF EU; m. RAOUL D'EXOUDUN, Count of EU.
MAUD OF EU; m. HUMPHREY DE BOHUN, Knt.,Earl of Hereford & Essex.
ALICE DE BOHUN; m. ROGER DE TONY, of Flamstead, Herefordshire.
RALPH DE TONY, Knt., of Flamtead, Herefordshire; m. MARY__.
ALICE DE TONY; m. GUY DE BEAUCHAMP, Knt., 10th Earl of Warwick.
MAUD DE BEAUCHAMP; m. GEOFFREY DE SAY, Knt., 2nd Lord Say.
JOAN DE SAY; m. WILLIAM DE FIENNES, Knt., of Herstmonceux, Sussex.
WILLIAM DE FIENNES, Knt., of Herstmonceux, Sussex; m. ELIZABETH BATISFORD.
JAMES DE FIENNES, Knt., of Hever, Kent; m. ____.
ELIZABETH FIENNES; m. WILLIAM CROMER, Esq., of Tunstall (in Sittingbourne), Kent.
JAMES CROMER, Knt. of Tunstall, Kent; m. KATHERINE CANTELOW.
ANNE CROMER; m. WILLIAM WHETENHALL, Esq., of Hextall's Court (in East Peckham), Kent.
ROSE WHETENHALL; m. THOMAS WILSFORD, of Hartridge, Kent.
CECILY WILSFORD, b.1536; m. REV. EDWIN SANDYS, Archbishop of York.
ANNE SANDYS; m. WILLIAM BARNE, b.1568 Knt., Lord Mayor of London.
GEORGE BARNE/S, b.1603/4 of Woolwich, Kent; m. JANETA KEY.
JAMES BARNES, Gent., b. abt.1635; m.___.
Dr. JAMES BARNES, of William Street, Co. Down, Dublin, Ireland, b.1670; m. MARY___.
BRINSLEY BARNES, b.1713, William Street, Dublin, Ireland;( moved to Chester, Penn.,) m. ELIZABETH LINDLEY.
SOLOMON BARNES, Sr., b.1752, Orange Co., N.C.; m. ELIZABETH ISBELL.
SOLOMON BARNES, Jr., b.1779, Wilkes Co., N.C.; m. ELIZABETH PHILLIPS.
JOHN BARNES, b. 1804, Wilkes Co., N.C.; m. SALLY CROWSON in 1822.
ANTHONY G. BARNES, C.S.A., b. 1843, DeKalb Co., Ala.; m. MARY ANN METCALF.
JOHN WESLEY BARNES, b. 1870, Jackson Co., Ala.; m. KATHRYN (KIZZI) WILSON, b.1877, dau. of JERRY WILSON
WILEY SANFORD BARNES, b.1902, Jackson Co., Ala.; m. ROSA GRACE DUGGER, b.1904, dau., LINNVILLE & MARY PURYEAR DUGGER
Children:(1)RUBY CATHRINE b.1929(2)BERTHA b.1933(3)ROBERT(4)LOUISE b.1938.
RUBY'S; MICHAEL b.1958 & DENNIS b."68: BERTHA'S; ROBERT b."54, SHEILA b."56, CAROL b."58, CINDY

(1)GEORGE BARNES, b.1474 of London, Middlesex, Eng., m.__.
(2)Sir GEORGE BARNES, Sr., b.1500 Woolwich, Kent.; m. ALICE BROOKE.
(3)Sir GEORGE BARNES, Jr., b.1525 Woolwich, Kent.; m. ANNE GERRARD.
(4)Sir William BARNES, b.1568 Woolwich, Kent.; m. ANNE SANDYS.
(5)GEORGE BARNES, b.1603/4 Woolwich, Kent.; m. JANETA KEY.
(6)JAMES BARNES, Gent., b. abt.1635; m. ____.
(7)Dr. JAMES BARNES, b.1670 of William Street, County Down, Dublin, Ireland; m. MARY___.
(8)BRINSLEY BARNES, b.1713 in County Down, Ire.; m. ELIZABETH LINDLEY, (moved to Chester, Penn.)
End Post 314 A: www.voy.com/40560/ teltalheart=Michael Barnes

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Subject: Post 365 A: A SOMERLED - ALEXANDER / MacALISTER line


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Post 365A: A Somerled - Alexander / MacAlister line.

1. Harald I, "Fairhair" King of Norway, 850-936
2. Sigurad Rise Haraldsson, king over Hadafylke, 912-945
3. Halfdan Svarte Siguradsson, king in Opplandene, 928-1018
4. Sigurd Halvdansson Syr, king of Ringerrike, 965-1022
5. Harald III Sigurdsson, King of Norway, 1015-1066
6. Ragnhildr Haraldsdottir = Godfred II Crovan, King of Man & The Isles, 1040-1095
7. Olaf I "Morsel" King of Man & The Isles, 1080-1153
8. Ragnhildr Olafs dottir = Somerled/ Somahirle mac Gillbride, Ri Innse Gal, King of the Hebrides, Lord of the Isles, died 1164
9. Ragnall (Reginald) mac Somerled, Lord of the Isles, b.ca.1149 = Fonia of Moray
10. Domhnall (Donald) mac Raghaill, Lord of the Isles, b.ca1180 = Ingen Cailean Mor
11. Angus Mor/ Aongus Mor MacDonald, b.ca.1210; two sons: Alexander/ Alistair & Angus Og = Nicole Collin (Campbell)
12. Alister Mor/ Alisdair/ Alexander, b.ca.1240 = unknown
13. Donald MacAlister, Lord of the Isles, b.ca.1277 unknown
14. [John?] Alisdair/ Alistair MacDonlad, b.ca.1320 = unknown
15. Ranald MacDonald {possible founder of Clan Ranald}, b.ca. 1350 = unknown
16. Alexander/ Alisdair MacAlistair, b.ca.1380 = Elizabeth Seton
17. Charles Tarlach MacAlister, b.ca.1420-1493 = unknown
18. John Dubh MacAlister, b.ca. 1440 = unknown
19. Angus Vic Ian Dubh {Black John}, 1st Laird of Tarbert Castle, b.ca. 1464 = unknown
20. Donald MacAlister/ MacAlexander, Line of Loup, b.ca.1485 = unknown
21. Charles MacAlister/ MacAlexander, 2nd Laird of Tarbert, b.ca. 1503 = unknown
22. Hector MacAlister/ Alexander, 3rd Laird of Tarbert, Kintyre, b.ca. 1526 = unknown
23. Archibald MacAlister/ Alexander, 4th Laird of Tarbert, b.ca. 1545 = unknown
24. John Alexander, of Eredy, b.ca. 1587 = Jean Alexander
25. Archibald Alexander, of Ballybiglimore, b. 1620 = Elizabeth MacKay
26. William Alexander, of Manor Cunningham, 1686-1749 = Jean McNutt
27. Captain Archibald Alexander, b.1708 = Margaret Parks
28. Elizabeth Alexander, b.1735 Antrim, Ireland = John McClung
29. Margaret Mary McClung, b. 1755 Virginia = Robert Hood Tate
30. Aaron Tate, b. 1788 Virginia = Elizabeth Connelly
31. Maburn "Dock" Tate, 1811-1889 Fort Payne, Alabama = Delana "Delany" Killion
32. Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, b. 1855 = Solomon Puryear
33. Mary Ada Puryear, 01/19/1876 - 1945, Jackson County, Alabama, = Linnville Andrews Dugger
34. Rosa Grace Dugger, b.1904, Jackson Co., AL., = Wiley Sanford Barnes: Issue: Ruby Catherine, 1929; Bertha Allene, 1933; Robert, 1934; Thelma Louise, 1938.
35. Ruby Catherine Barnes, b. 1929 = Dave Franklin Jackson
36. Michael Dave Barnes, born 1958 = Barbara Ann MacBee

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Subject: Post 360 A: Trump's gift to Putin, the Nuclear Codes


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Post 360 A: Trump's gift to Putin, the Nuclear Codes


In political matters I have long been an Independent. I had been and still am an enthusiast supporter of Bernie Sanders.
I was quite upset upon the revelation by Trump's K.G.B. Putin sponsored spies, that Hillary Clinton and Debra Wisserman Sholtz, via Clinton's e-mails, that they had conspired to sabotage Bernie's campaign. I was upset so much so that I thought about voting for Trump. The two things which changed my mind were when Trump said ministers should have more freedom to voice their opinion from the pulpit.

I strongly disagree. As far as I am concerned the price of admission in the political process is the paying of taxes. Churches don't pay taxes. When churches pay taxes, they can have a voice. If a minister, priest, mullah or rabbi wishes come down off the pulpit and state his or her opinion as Joe common nobody, without using their ecclesiastical title. Then they have the right to do so. The second thing was Trump's endorsement of Trickle Down Economics. After all, what could be wrong with taking money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the wealthy and well to do? What could be wrong, EVERYTHING! It's a failed policy that has never worked. Is not going to work. Never will work. All it has done is run the nation into extreme debt and vastly increase poverty and despair. The wealthy the money is given to are not job creators. Unless you wish to consider creating jobs in India, China and South Korea as jobs created? Which does not help, but certainly does hurt U.S. manufacturing jobs here at home.

In my humble opinion Hillary Clinton sacrificed the Democratic Parties chances of victory on the alter of her own greed and lust for power. Even after the dastardly sabotage of Bernie Sanders there existed tremendous support for him and his campaign. The winning move would have been to offer Bernie Sanders the Vic-Presidency. Yet she had so much vehement dislike for her rival that she sacrificed the Democratic Parties chance for the White House.

Donald Trump:
Donald Trump is a demagogue in the most extreme sense of the word. He's a popular leader of a mob, or rabble. Demagogues advocate action, usually immediate violent intimidation without any deliberation (clear-headed thought or discussion). They make a point of appealing to the uneducated, uninformed lower classes. Demagogues appeal directly to the emotions, especially to that of the poor and lower-middle classes. In pursuit of power a demagogue will tell lies, stir up hysteria, and exploit crises to intensify popular support for a call to immediate action. Demagogues will accuse opponents of weakness and or disloyalty to the nation.

Methods of Demagogues:
1. Scapegoating - blaming their group's troubles on a group of a different ethnicity, religion, or social class.
2. Fearmongering - evoking fear in their audiences to stir them to action and prevent deliberation.
3. Lying - while any politician needs to point out the dangers in their opponents policies. Demagogues are opportunistic. They monitor the people saying whatever will generate the most heat and anger. When one lie doesn't work, they quickly switch to another lie.
4. Emotional speech and personal charisma - the demagogue uses speech that appeals to the emotions of the common class to stir action and prevent any clear thought or deliberation.
5. Accusing opponents of weakness and disloyalty: self evident.
6. Promising the impossible: Demagogues make promises only for their emotional effect on audiences, without regard for how they might be accomplished or without intending to honor them once in office. Such as the deportation of 11 million people.
7. Violence and physical intimidation - demagogues encourage their supporters to violently intimidate opponents, both to solidify loyalty among their supporters and to discourage or physically prevent people from speaking out or voting against them.
8. Personal insults and ridicule - demagogues use ridicule or insults against opponents as a simple way to shut down reasoned deliberation of competing ideas, especially with ignorant audiences.
9. Vulgarity and outrageous behavior - legislative bodies are sober standards of decorum that are intended to quiet passions and favor reasoned deliberation. Demagogues violate standards of decorum outrageously to show they are thumbing their noses at established order and genteel ways of the upper class.
10. Gross oversimplification - treating complex problems as if it results from one simple cause and can be solved by one simple cure.
11. Attacking the news media - News media, in the past having been the harbingers of truth, can undermine a demagogue's spell over his followers. Thus many demagogues call for violent action against the press. Often claiming the press was secretly in the service of moneyed interests or foreign powers. Or that the press were in service to the "other" party.

As anyone not under the spell of Cognitive Dissonance can see, Donald Trump is the poster boy for a demagogue. I had heard it said that not only has Trump stiffed (not paid) contractors who have worked for him. But he has also done the same to almost every major bank in the USA. To the point that they will no longer loan to him. This, if true, I suspect is the reason trump is in bed with Putin. Because Putin is the only source of him achieving a loan. Suppose for a moment Putin had offer Trump a deal to wipe out all his debts. What could it be? What could Trump provide that Putin couldn't get anywhere else? Putin has many billions of dollars he's stolen from the Russian people, so money can't be the cause.

The only thing Trump can provide, if elected President, that Putin could not get anywhere else is the United States Nuclear Codes! That's right, the codes to our nuclear missiles. If Trump turns those over to Putin in exchange for eradication of his debts, it's GAME OVER for us as a nation. That would be Check Mate.

The only hope we have as a nation is the Electoral College. They meet to vote on December 19th. They were created by our Founding Fathers specifically to prevent a Demagogue from ever gaining control over the United States. If the Electoral College fails to do its job, then there is no reason for it to exist any longer. But that may be a mote point. If we no longer have control over our nuclear codes, we no longer have sovereign control over our nation. It, our, your fate would then be in the hands of a Russian K.G.B. despot.

Well played American. You may have lost the independence for all of us because of your ignorance, selfishness, and bigotry. Well played my friend, well played.

End Post 360 A: Trump's gift to Putin, the Nuclear Codes
teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland, Marquis de la Perrieur, Count of Tarteso, Scottish Baron Lochaber, Knight Templar of the York Rite, Knight of Malta, Knight of the Red Cross, Jonkheer Van Harlingen.

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Subject: Post 356 A: Thanks Penny, and Happy Holidays


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Post 356 A: Thanks Penny, and Happy Holidays

Thank you, Penny, for your post on Dec. 22.

I should always be remembered that the J2b1b DNA occurred some 15,000 (+ or - 5,000 yrs.) years ago, long before any idea of a "Jewish" or "Hebrew" race ever entered anyone's mind. One does not need to be Jewish to be of J2b1b DNA, obviously. About 4% of Scotland is J1b1 DNA. J2b1 is virtually absent in Europe and is found only in diverse forms in the Near East. It's found mostly in Azerbaijan and the former soviet Georgia. It's also found in higher numbers in Albania and Kosovo. This was the DNA of those who created the modern world, by inventing farming and domesticating goats, cattle and horses. The DNA most likely to have developed along the coast of the Black Sea region, between it and the Caspian Sea. As far as Europeans are concerned, the people carrying the DNA at some point moved to Turkey. They may have survived the great flood of the Black Sea about 7,200 B.C. and traveled across the Marmara to establish a colony on the north side. Due to this I believe Utna-Pishtim (Noah) was probably of this DNA since it is found most strongly around the area he is said to have occupied. I believe it is the first and original bloodline of Kings and Nobles.

The DNA traveled to Europe and may have developed the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures starting around the area on Vienna. The J2 DNA is found to a great degree in the Phoenician population as well. The DNA as a result is found mostly around costal regions of Italy, Spain and Greece. Giving rise to the idea that the bearers of this DNA may have made their living by fishing. This is where the Jews come in. They were known to be J2 DNA and possibly of Phoenician stock. They were descendants of the Denyen Sea Peoples who joined with the Hebrews. They were excluded from the list of sealed tribes in the Book of Revelations for pagan practices, but were given a northern portion of the future Israel according to the Book of Ezekiel. Their primary trade characteristic was seafaring, this was unusual for the Israelite tribes. In a battle with Phoenicians, in the Song of Deborah the tribe is said to have stayed on their ships with their belongings. I imagine this is because they were related to the Phoenicians as well. To participate in such a battle would have been to chose sides in a matter in which they were related to both sides in the struggle. The Tribe of Dan is usually represented by a serpent.

J and I are the two largest DNAs by volume in Jewish peoples. To an only slightly lesser degree is DNAs G and E. The next small DNA by volume is Q and R1b. The next six DNA are the smallest by volume in the Jewish community: L, O, N, H, T, and R1a.

I hope this helps, Penny. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and everyone out there in internet land. From me, Sir Michael, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland. End Post 356 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Thank you for your response! Very interesting on the history you provided; and I knew that not everyone today who consider themselves "Jewish" actually descend from the Tribe of Judah... they may be from one of the Twelve Tribes, and/or are Hebrew or Semitic in some way.

I think I have narrowed down which family line the 2% "European Jew" came from on my autosomal DNA test. Out of the almost 600 distant cousin Ancestry.com has listed for me as being related, at least 1/4 of them show up with traces of this ethnic group, nearly all of them being connected to me via my mother's family. Both her parents (my maternal grandparents) were distantly related to each other through a Barnes line (Ireland) - grandpa was actually a third cousin to grandma's dad. Mother and I descend from two sons of Brinsley Barnes and his wife, Elizabeth Lindley. This would account for why my results showed up "2%" instead of just a trace. I do not know if this comes from a combination of both Brinsley and Elizabeth, or, if just from one of them. But considering the fact that they belonged to the Quaker community, it is entirely possible they (or one of them) decided to leave their Jewish past and assimilate directly into the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic culture.

Penny

>Post 356 A: Thanks Penny, and Happy Holidays
>
>Thank you, Penny, for your post on Dec. 22.
>
>I should always be remembered that the J2b1b DNA
>occurred some 15,000 (+ or - 5,000 yrs.) years ago,
>long before any idea of a "Jewish" or "Hebrew" race
>ever entered anyone's mind. One does not need to be
>Jewish to be of J2b1b DNA, obviously. About 4% of
>Scotland is J1b1 DNA. J2b1 is virtually absent in
>Europe and is found only in diverse forms in the Near
>East. It's found mostly in Azerbaijan and the former
>soviet Georgia. It's also found in higher numbers in
>Albania and Kosovo. This was the DNA of those who
>created the modern world, by inventing farming and
>domesticating goats, cattle and horses. The DNA most
>likely to have developed along the coast of the Black
>Sea region, between it and the Caspian Sea. As far as
>Europeans are concerned, the people carrying the DNA
>at some point moved to Turkey. They may have survived
>the great flood of the Black Sea about 7,200 B.C. and
>traveled across the Marmara to establish a colony on
>the north side. Due to this I believe Utna-Pishtim
>(Noah) was probably of this DNA since it is found most
>strongly around the area he is said to have occupied.
>I believe it is the first and original bloodline of
>Kings and Nobles.
>
> The DNA traveled to Europe and may have developed the
>Hallstatt and La Tene cultures starting around the
>area on Vienna. The J2 DNA is found to a great degree
>in the Phoenician population as well. The DNA as a
>result is found mostly around costal regions of Italy,
>Spain and Greece. Giving rise to the idea that the
>bearers of this DNA may have made their living by
>fishing. This is where the Jews come in. They were
>known to be J2 DNA and possibly of Phoenician stock.
>They were descendants of the Denyen Sea Peoples who
>joined with the Hebrews. They were excluded from the
>list of sealed tribes in the Book of Revelations for
>pagan practices, but were given a northern portion of
>the future Israel according to the Book of Ezekiel.
>Their primary trade characteristic was seafaring, this
>was unusual for the Israelite tribes. In a battle with
>Phoenicians, in the Song of Deborah the tribe is said
>to have stayed on their ships with their belongings. I
>imagine this is because they were related to the
>Phoenicians as well. To participate in such a battle
>would have been to chose sides in a matter in which
>they were related to both sides in the struggle. The
>Tribe of Dan is usually represented by a serpent.
>
>J and I are the two largest DNAs by volume in Jewish
>peoples. To an only slightly lesser degree is DNAs G
>and E. The next small DNA by volume is Q and R1b. The
>next six DNA are the smallest by volume in the Jewish
>community: L, O, N, H, T, and R1a.
>
>I hope this helps, Penny. Merry Christmas and Happy
>Holidays to you and everyone out there in internet
>land. From me, Sir Michael, Grand Prince and Grand
>Archduke of Doggerland. End Post 356 A: teltalheart is
>Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke
>of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 258: mtDNA J2b1b, cont., The Jewish Question


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Post 258: mtDNA J2b1b, cont., The Jewish Question

As everyone who knows anything about me knows my Y-DNA is R1b1b2 and my mtDNA is J2b1b.
The question is, who is a Jew? Since the second century A.D. it was deemed that anyone born of a Jewish mother was considered a jew.

It seems strange that the Y-chromosome from the male line should be used to identify the supposed "Y-chromosomal Aaron" line or line of the descendents of Aaron and or the genetic line of the Zadok High Priests of Israel/Judah (Numbers 25:11-12); particularly when the remains (body) of Aaron or Phinehas, his grandson, is not around for us to DNA test.
However, there are some who believe the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten is the biblical Moses. Aaron was said to be the brother or half brother of Moses. The Egytian Antiquites Authority have done DNA tests of the mummy is KV55 (Akhenaten), but will only tell the world who is related to whom in the Royal Egyptian pantheon. They will not give the world the exact DNA results in fear it may strengthen someone's claim other than themselves, especially that of Israel.

The supposed Y-chromosomal Aaron line also known as the Kohanim (singular "Kohen, "Cohen") line is said to be by a pattern of values for 6 Y-STR markers, which have been named the Cohen Modal Haplotype by researchers, (CMH) they fell into Haplogroup J. But, it was found that many men in many communities that were not Jewish were also J Haplogroup. The J Haplogroup has been around since its emergence about 30,000 to 40,000 years ago.

More recent research shows the Y-Haplogroup among the supposed (CMH) is J1c3 (J-P58). Another group claiming descent is J2a (J-M410) which occurs at a rate of 15% among the supposed Kohanim Jews.

Others included are the J1e and J2a possible supposed Cohen group from the Sephardi (Spanish/French) background. Their most recent common ancestor (MRCA) lived between year 1 B.C. and 3,500 B.C.. The group known as the Ashkenazis are estimated to have an MRCA from 400 A.D. to 3,000 B.C..

Prof. Karl Skorecki tested the Y chromosomes of Jewish priests in 1997. Prof. Skorecki published The Cohen hypothesis in the journal Nature. It was found that the Kohanim "share a different probability distribution compared to the rest of the Jewish population for the two Y-chromosome markers they tested (YAP and DYS19)." It was found that both Ashkenazi (German Jews) and Sephardic Cohens share a common ancestor before the Roman diaspora (scattering) of the Jewish race.

It also seems the J2 subgroup contains lineages that have similar genetic markers to the Cohen Modal Haplotype. Though they exist in a low frequency among the Jewish Kohanim they do not descend from the supposed Y-Aaron ancestor.

There are several groups which have a Cohen religious tradition: Haplogroup J2, J2a4h (L24), R1b.

Indeed the J Haplogroup developed in the Near East. The odd thing about this is the scientific evidence that supports the idea that it (J) is most common and seems to have developed at the base of the Caucasus Mountains in the Caucasus Region. The J haplotype is found at its highest concentration in the areas of Azerbiajan (east of Eden/east of Ararat) and former soviet Georgia.

Khazaria is a region that touches Azerbiajan to its north edge and extends northward to city of Sarkel (Volgodonsk), northeast to Volgograd and westward to the Black Sea.
It also extends along the northern slop of the Caucasus Mountian Range.

There is a theory that the Ashkenazi Jews might be descended from peoples of the Khazaria region. This theory dates back to late 19th century Europe. Ernest Renan, a racial-theorist, first publicly proposed this theory on January 27, 1883 in a lecture titled "Judaism as a Race and as Religion." Racial-theorist Lothrop Stoddard popularized the idea in an article in 1926 in the Forum titled "The Pedigree of Judah." Professor John O. Beaty, Southern Methodist University, published "The Iron Curtain over America" in 1951 in which he states Khazar Jews were responsible for all the world's ills icluding World Wars I an II. He described it as an attempt to subvert Western Christianity and establish Communism throughout the world. It seems many Fundamentalist Christian groups have made the Khazar theory a firm article of faith.

Shlomo Sand, Israel historian of cinema and French intellectual historian, delved into the Khazar theme in his book "The Invention of the Jewish People," published in 2008.

Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (Eu19) were found at a rate of 54% to 60% in Eastern European populations and at a rate of 12.7% among Ashkenazi Jews according to a 2001 study by Nebel et al. It was determined that Eastern Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews might carry some partial Khazar ancestry.

Ashkenazi Levites make up approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews. In the Ashkenazi Levites it was found that they have a rate of Haplogroup R1a1 over 50%. In general 11.5% of all male Ashkenazi were found to have Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17).

Interestingly I personally thought that since it's the mother who decides if a child is a Jew or non-jew it would have been her line of DNA that would have been tested. But what do I know? It just seems to me that the facts are skewed in whatever direction anyone, Jew or Gentile, wish to turn them. Certainly the jews cannot be blamed for all the world's ills. For that one needs to look a the greed of man. One definitely needs to look at the greediest of the greedy, ergo the richest of the rich to find the true cause of all the world's ills.

Or, just maybe somewhere in the process look at the enablers of the processes of the greediest of the greedy. That would be Ronald Reagen, George H.W. Bush, William (Bill) Clinton, George W. Bush; and a half-black, not so black, half white professional politician (Obama) that began doing everything but dancing the old soft-shoe for the Republicians when they got the majority in congress.

What is also of interest is the scientific fact that Y-DNA R1a began right around the area of what is now the city of Kirov in persent day Russia. Now there's one for you!

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Post 359 A: Count of Tarteso


Hello to any and all readers. It has been some time since I've been on air at this, my most official site.
The Principality of Doggerland has been a success in many ways in this past year alone.

I have met a few members of the Nobility through it. Both major and minor. One of these has been Don Vincente I, Prince of the Principality Byzantine of Tarteso. Prince Don Vincente recognized "The Noble House of The Grand Principality and Grand Archduchy of Doggerland." I, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland, in turn recognized The "Principado Bizantino De Tarteso/Principality Of Tarteso." I awarded His Highness Prince Don Vincente I, a Title of Count in the Principality of Doggerland. He in turn awarded myself the Title, 'Count in the Principality of Tarteso.'

His title of Count would not and does not supersede that of my cousins and half-brothers. Their Titles range from Royal Duke/Duchess to Count/Countess of the Blood Royal. However, Noble titles these days account for little on the world stage. To most they have become little more than costume jewelry.

But, no doubt there is always some pencil neck for everything to point out some bugaboo involving a reason why it can't be. They're quite willing to point out the cinder in someone else's eye but fail to see the log in their own eye. I had recently run into such a creature on wikitree. He failed to see my claim to myself and all descendants of the Scottish clan Alexander, relatives and descendants of Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Baronet of Nova Scotia. His descendants and relatives were promised 10,000 English pounds and his titles for the loss of his lands in Nova Scotia (the entire island) Long Island (now Long Island, New York) and New Brunswick Canada. At the time no one knew how large Canada was. So in short Sir William was given title to roughly what is almost all of Canada by his Sovereign and friend King James I of England. Thus he became the largest non-monarch land owner in the world at that time. Then King James died, and his son Charles took over as King, Charles gave all of Sir William's holdings in Canada back to the French in a Peace Treaty. With the intention of taking it back by force once the French had been given a proper amount of time to invest a large sum of money in building it up. Sir William had already had the honor of investing almost everything he had in building up Nova Scotia (New Scotland), with the intention of selling Baronetcies to those who would invest in and settle the Island. Thus King Charles intention was to screw both Sir William Alexander and the French, and keep the land for himself.



For as it states in the {Full text of "The clan Donald"} from whom the clan Alexander is descended, on page 71 "but neither he nor his successors ever actually received payment."

On page 75 of {Full text of "The clan Donald"} it is stated, "Thereupon the King, by a charter under the Great Seal, of date 7th December, 1639, granted these titles de novo to the heirs male, and failing them to the eldest heirs female."

The Brits claim the titles became extinct in less than a century. They don't wish to acknowledge mine or any of my relative Alexander descendant's claim on the titles due to the fact that the 10,000, which has no doubt been gathering interest for 375 years, would also come due. I figure at 5% interest compounded annually it come to around $32,257,114,100. In other words thirty two billion dollars American. Or around twenty three billion English pounds. So you can see there's a reason to keep telling the lie "no descendants existed after less than a century."

So I took it upon myself to state "every descendant and direct clan Alexander relative of Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Baronet of Nova Scotia has the right to claim the least of his titles, that of Baronet for themselves in lieu of payment, which will obviously never come.

At any rate this web trolling creature failed to recognize my right, but failed to see the illegitimacy of Elizabeth II, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Due to her descent from a common English archer named Blaybourne, the true father of Edward IV. Henry VII, himself the illegitimate son of Edmund Tudor - Earl of Richmond, sought to marry Elizabeth, daughter of Edward IV and Elizabeth Widville. Thus he made all descendant kingly lines completely illegitimate. The result should be by law that any title or land grant issued by a English monarch since 1461 is invalid, spurious and unlawful. See the documentary on YouTube "Britain's Real Monarch" hosted by Tony Robinson, aired 2004.

As for myself here lately, I have gained some weight due to increased stress, both at home and at work. It's not something I'm proud of. Quite the opposite. It's amazing what chaos can happen when stupidity is prompted, especially in the work place.

Until next time, stay safe and keep vigilante.
End post 359 A: Count of Tarteso.
Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland is teltalheart.

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Subject: Post 358 A: J2b1b line of Sir Michael Barnes


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Post 358 A: J2b1b line of Sir Michael Barnes
mtDNA (Maternal Line)


1. Sir Michael D. Barnes
2. Ruby Catherine Barnes 1929-1988 = Dave F. Jackson
3. Rosa G. Dugger 1904-1986 = Wiley S. Barnes
4. Mary Ada Puryear 1876-1946 = Linnville Andrews Dugger
5. Elizabeth "Betty" Tate 1855-1888 = Solomon S. Puryear
6. Delana Killion 1823-1884 = Maburn "Dock" Tate
7. Mary Eliz. Bost 1792-1874 = Daniel Killion
8. Catherine Goodhart/Goddard 1762-1828 = Johann William Bost.
9. Hannah Sophia Seaver 1735-1821 = John Jacob Goddard
10. Hannah White 1711-1792 = Nathaniel Seaver
11. Elizabeth Cadman 1685-1768 = William White
12. Hannah Hathaway 1662-1748 = George Cadman
13. Sarah Cooke 1635-1712 = Arthur Hathaway 1625-1710
14. Sarah Warren 1614-1696 = John (Mayflower Passenger) Cooke 1607-1695
15. Elizabeth Jouatt-Walker 1582-1673 = Richard Warren
16. Mary Stringer 1559-1615 = John Jouatt 1557-1648
17. Elizabeth Kings 1545-1593 = John Stringer
18. Hannah Marsh 1520-? = Thomas Kings 1530-?

This according to Ancestry....cmo

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Subject: Post 306 A: My Y-DNA, R-U106 R1b1a2a1a1a


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Post 306 A: My Y-DNA, R-U106 R1b1a2a1a1a

I have recently had a Deep Clade Y-DNA test run by Family Tree DNA. R1b1a2a1a1a is Celtic DNA. It is most often found in Germany. I suspect my Y-DNA most probably came to England in the middle 400s AD with the so called Saxon Invasion. High King Vortigren (Gwrtheyrn) hired an army of Germanic Jute mercenaries, led by Horsa and Hengest, to repl an invasion of Picts that had begun raiding across Hadrian's Wall. In old annals it tells of how King Vortigren could not or would not pay the Saxons for their services. The Saxons then took land in place of payment.

The Saxons developed the kingdoms of Essex, Wessex, Sussex and Middlesex. To the North the Angles developed the Kingdoms of Northumbria, East Anglia and Mercia. These areas later became part of the Danelaw; which lasted until 1066 AD.

http://dnanews.org/dna-news-this-week-is-that-you-might-be-related-to-king-tut/

On wikipedia it used to say on the R1b wiki site, "It has been reported in newspapers that King Tut is of the haplogroup R1b1a2, but it is found in less than 1% of men in most parts of Egypt today."

It does not say that anymore. I guess it must have been too politically incorrect! No, no the truth cannot be allowed to be known if it goes against the the politics of the day. After all, for years it had been hinted at by certain groups with a vested interest in King Tutankhamen and the Royal Blood of Egypt being of a negroid DNA, (ergo: L0, L1, L2, L3, and M DNAs). When it was found that the Royal Blood of Egypt was R1b1a2, a Celtic DNA, this through all those with a vested interest for a loop. Now the truth must be hidden away. In its stead the old lie must be allowed to take the place of the truth. Thus the old liars can continue to tell the old lie.

We are now living in an era where anything of Caucasian history and culture must be pushed down, deleted or subjugated. Perhaps some day there will be truth. I suspect it will not be in my lifetime. I have nothing against anyone because of their race. I do have something against those who would hide or twist scientific evidence to suit their own means and ends.

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Subject: Post 357 A: Dear Penny,


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Post 357 A: Dear Penny,



My J2b1b DNA is from my mother's side of my line, (mtDNA) - mitochondrial DNA. As far as I have been able to run that DNA back is to Catherine Goodhart/ Goodhard/ Gotthard/ Gottard, abt. 1762-1828. She was the wife of Johann William Bost, 1738-1823. Her last name could have also been Barnhart.

The Barnes family is found heralding from Kent, England. This is the area the Romans deported a tribe of Frisians to in the 2nd century AD. It's very possible that the Barnes to whome you as I are descended are Frisian from what is today the Netherlands and Belgium. The were from the low-lying region between the Rhine-Meuse-Scheldt delta and the River Ems. They were related to the Chauci, Saxons and Angles tribes. In other words, Anglo-Saxons. The Barnes Y-DNA is typically R1b1a2.

Catherine Goodhart Bost is buried at Old Saint Pauls Lutheran Church Cemetery in Catawba County, North Carolina. There is also a Will from John Godhard on WikiTree. It names his daughter "Catherine [sic] Hess, wife of William Hess." I have to believe she is related to Goddard Family of The Lawns estate in Swindon, England. They were established in Wiltshire and Hampshire and the western part of Berkshire, between the Tudor period and the modern era.

Working with another researcher I was able to establish a tentative descend and relationship between Catherine Goodhart/ Gottard and this Goddard family of the Swindon estate and of Upper Upham House, near Aldbourne.

There is a site for them on Wikipedia entitled: " Goddard family."

I hope this helps.

End Post 357 A: Teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 257 A: mtDNA J2b1b


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Post 257 A: mtDNA J2b1b

I have recently had a complete mtDNA test preformed on myself (Michael D. Barnes).

The results were that I am mtDNA J2b1b.

According to 'J (mtDNA) Wikipedia,' "J2b1 = Virtually absent in Europe. Found in diverse forms in the Near East."

Accordind to: Mitochondrial DNA variation and language replacements in the Caucasus, by Ivane Nasidze and Mark Stoneking - University of Pennsylvania 2001.

The most closely related groups in the J2 study are:
Georgians (SC)
Azerbiajanians (AL)
Armenian (IE)
Chechenians (NC)
Kurds
British
Sardinians
Basques
Kabardinians (NC)
Spanish
Cherkessians (NC)
Ingushians (NC)
Darginians (NC)
Abazinians (NC)
Adygheians (NC)
to the furtherest end of the spectrum are:
Indians (India)
Turks
(Israeli) Drusi, or (Druze)
Middle Easterns.

NC: North Caucasian
SC: South Caucasian (Kartvelian)
IE: Indo-European
AL: Altaic

Ashkenazi and Cohanim:

"There is enormous controversy regarding the distribution of the Jewish Cohanim (hereditary priestly caste) among the clades of the 'J' haplogroup, and their origins."

It seems the J2b (M12), (M221), (M314) was the parent group out of whom came J2b1 (M102), from this group came J2b1a (M241) and finally J2b1b (M205).

End Post 257 A: www.voy.com/40560/ teltalheart

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>I descend from two sons of Brinsley Barnes and his wife, Elizabeth Lindley, through John and James. I have recently had my autosomal DNA test done; most of the ethnicity results I expected; Ireland, some British, Western European. However, I was surprised at results being 2% European Jewish (I assume Ashkenazi) with traces of ancestors having lived in Italy, and Greece. My mother, one of her siblings, and her grandfather were asked at times if they were Jewish due to their physical features, but they were not aware of any history of this nature in their family. When I carefully went through all the cousins on my Ancestry.com list from others who have taken the autosomal test, more from the Barnes branches came up with "traces of European Jew" far more than any of my other family lines. Is it possible that these Barnes or Lindley families originally were Jewish before becoming Quakers?

Post 257 A: mtDNA J2b1b
>
>I have recently had a complete mtDNA test preformed on
>myself (Michael D. Barnes).
>
>The results were that I am mtDNA J2b1b.
>
>According to 'J (mtDNA) Wikipedia,' "J2b1 = Virtually
>absent in Europe. Found in diverse forms in the Near
>East."
>
>Accordind to: Mitochondrial DNA variation and language
>replacements in the Caucasus, by Ivane Nasidze and
>Mark Stoneking - University of Pennsylvania 2001.
>
>The most closely related groups in the J2 study are:
>Georgians (SC)
>Azerbiajanians (AL)
>Armenian (IE)
>Chechenians (NC)
>Kurds
>British
>Sardinians
>Basques
>Kabardinians (NC)
>Spanish
>Cherkessians (NC)
>Ingushians (NC)
>Darginians (NC)
>Abazinians (NC)
>Adygheians (NC)
>to the furtherest end of the spectrum are:
>Indians (India)
>Turks
>(Israeli) Drusi, or (Druze)
>Middle Easterns.
>
>NC: North Caucasian
>SC: South Caucasian (Kartvelian)
>IE: Indo-European
>AL: Altaic
>
>Ashkenazi and Cohanim:
>
>"There is enormous controversy regarding the
>distribution of the Jewish Cohanim (hereditary
>priestly caste) among the clades of the 'J'
>haplogroup, and their origins."
>
>It seems the J2b (M12), (M221), (M314) was the parent
>group out of whom came J2b1 (M102), from this group
>came J2b1a (M241) and finally J2b1b (M205).
>
>End Post 257 A: www.voy.com/40560/ teltalheart

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Subject: Post 355 A: An enemy of the people


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Post 355 A: An enemy of the people.

A statue of Nathan Hale stands in from of the C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Virginia. A duplicate stands in on the campus of Yale University. Another stands in front of Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass. This was the prep school of George H.W. Bush (48). Hale was a graduate of Yale and a member of George Washington's "Culper Ring". The beginning of America's "Intelligence Community."

The "China Trade" was started by Samuel Russell in 1823. For the express purpose of transporting opium from Turkey and trading it in China for goods to sell in the U.S.A. Many of the American and European great family fortunes were made in the "China Trade."

William Huntington Russell was Samuel's cousin. He studied in Germany from 1831-1832. There he may have learned the "scientific method" from Georg Wilhelm Friedrich. In this method the state is the "march of God in the world." An the individual can only be free by worship and obedience to the state. This idea is the foundation of both fascism (Nazism) and Communism.

When W.H. Russell returned to Yale in 1832 he along with Alphonso Taft founded a senior society known as Scull and Bones. Which later became known as Skull and Bones. When the Port of Shanghai was opened in 1843 one of the earliest traders was Russell and Company. American intelligence would call upon the resources of "Yale in China" during the intrigues of China in the 1930s and 1940s. And those of Reuben Holden, cousin and fellow bonesman of George H.W. Bush. George H.W. Bush was sent to look after the "China Trade" after serving as UN Ambassador and Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Many have speculated as to whether the Vietnam War was a front for the consolidation of the "Golden Triangle."
Many books have been written on the subject. See: 'The Politics of Heroin in South East Asia', by Alfred McCoy; 'The Great Heroin Coup', by Henrik Kruger; 'Double-Cross', by Sam and Chuck Giancana.

It is a proven fact that U.S. Intelligence was taking C-130 plane loads of weapons to Central America during Iran/Contra. Then loading those same planes with cocaine and transporting them back to the U.S.A. Then that cocaine would be sold in the Bloods and Crips Gangs in L. A. fueling the largest influx in history of Crack Cocaine. The money would then be used in Central America for C.I.A. Black Operations. This was during the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administration. It's been stated that Reagan didn't want to know about the drug trade to allow for "plausible deny-ability." This left operations in the hands of George H.W. Bush, Skull and Bonesman, Ambassador to China (China Trade), and former director of the C.I.A.

For weeks prior to 27 Fed. 1933, Hitler had been raging about a communist plot against Germany. On that date, 27/02/33, the Reichstag fire occurred. Five communists were arrested and charged with the fire. Hitler urged President Paul von Hindenburg to pass an emergency decree to suspend civil liberties in order to counter the communist "terrorist." After the decree was passed, the government instituted mass arrests of communists, including all of the Communist Party parliamentary delegates. This left the seats of those delegates empty to be filled by Nazi Party members. The Nazi Party went from being a small minority in the parliament to being the majority, enabling Hitler to consolidate power as "Freiherr."
On Hitler's birthday in 1943 Goring stated "nobody knows about the Reichstag fire but me. I set the fire."

About two or three years prior to the 911 destruction of the Twin Towers. Boris Yeltsin, President of Russia (U.S.S.R.) had stolen millions of dollars from the Russian people. Looking for someone dirty enough to help him hide the fact, he chose former K.G.B. Officer Vladimir Putin as his Vice President and successor. With no chance of being elected to the Presidency Putin started claiming a plot by the Chechen Rebels was under way. Old dilapidated apartments in Moscow started blowing up from booms placed in their basement. Putin railed and raged about the Chechen rebels. People of Russia started taking notice of Putin and he thus won the presidential election. A month or so later in an old apartment building 40 miles outside Moscow, the residents thought they might need to take a look in their basement. They discovered a live boom with a military timer, like those used by the Russian military. Putin stated that it was a "practice" boom for his soldier/ K.G.B. to find. One wonder why it had to be a "live" boom with real explosives and a live fuse.

Two years later the tragedy of 911 happened. With it George W. Bush got the "Patriot Act" signed which have the U.S. Intelligence Community total access the phone records, internet searches, etc.. The War in Iraq and tax cuts for the Rich were paid for by ($1,370,000,000,000) ONE TRILLION, THREE HUNDRED and SEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS borrowed from Social Security by George Bush.
The money was NEVER PAID BACK! This is the reason Social Security is nearly broke!

About 2006 George W. Bush wanted to put America's Social Security money into the stock market. I don't know if any of you remember this. He couldn't because of a Democratic Congress. In 2008 the stock market CRASHED. With it would have went America's greatest retirement safety net. I fear if Jeb Bush gets in office he will finish what his brother tried to do. Namely the destruction of America's Social Security system.

Trump wants to allow the Traitorous Billionaires who took their companies to China to bring their billions in ill gotten gains from American job destruction and decimation of the American middle class back into the U.S. WITH NO TAXES ATTACHED!

Well, that's all I have time for tonight. I hope you're as pissed off as I am. Until next time, be safe.

End Post 355 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Knight Templar, Knight of Malta, Knight of the Red Cross, Grand Archduke and Grand Prince of Doggerland.


According to some writings the Bonesmen and their allies helped the Bolsheviks prevail in Russia through funding and political maneuvering. It's said the cabal financed industries, developed oil and mineral deposits, and established banks in the new U.S.S.R. Later, Averil Harriman of Harriman/Bush (Prescott Bush) as minister to Great Britain in charge of lend-Lease for Russia and Britain, oversaw the transfer of nuclear secrets, plutonium and U.S. dollar printing plates to the U.S.S.R.

On 11/17/1942 "President Roosevelt's Alien property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with Enemy Act." The order was kept out of the News print and only publish in government records. The government had decided that Prescott Bush was executive manager for the Union Banking Corp. which was run for the Thyssen family of Germany. Which was a designated "enemy country." It's said Prescott was have been laundering money for the Nazis.

See: parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones06.htm

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Subject: Post 354 A: Iegitimacy, Illegitimacy and the right to rule. A correction


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Post 354 A: A correction


The Marriage of Maburn "Dock" Tate and Delana "Delany" Killion was in 1852. Now as mistakenly publish as the marriage of Elizabeth "Betty" Tate and Solomon S. Puryear.

I went a line to low, my bad.

Also Marie/Mary of Burgandy, Duchess of Cleves was married to Adolph, Duke of Cleves. Not Arnold, Duke of Gelders, who was her daughter's husband. I corrected the bottom and neglected to correct the post on the top portion.

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Subject: Post 354 A: Iegitimacy, Illegitimacy and the right to rule.


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Post 354 A: Legitimacy, Illegitimacy and the right to rule.


..., Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed,... [The Declaration of Independence]

1. Louis IV, Holy Roman Emperor 1282-1347 = (2) Margaret II, Countess of Hainault - Holland
2. Albrecht I von Wittelsbach, Duke of Bavaria 1336-1404 = Margareta von Kleve/Cleve
3. Margarethe von Bayern-Straubing ca.1363-1423 = Jean Sans Peur, Duke of Burgundy
4. Marie/Mary of Burgundy, Duchess of Cleves 1393-1466 = Arnold, Duke of Guelders

Alternate path of descent from Marie/Mary's father's side:

1. Jean II/John II de Valois, King of France 1319-1364 = Bonne Princess of Bohemia
2. Philip II, Duke of Burgundy 1342-1404 = Marie d' Auberchicourt 1345-1401
3. Jean 'Sans Peur' Duke of Burgundy 1371-1419 = Margaretha von Bayern-Straubing 1363-1423
4. Marie/Mary of Burgundy, Duchess of Cleves = Adolph, Duke of Cleves
5. Catherina von Cleves, Duchess of Guelders 1417-1479 = Arnold, Duke of Guelders
6. Maria van Egmond, of Guelders 1433-1463 = James II Stewart, King of Scotland 1430-1460
7. James III Stewart, King of Scotland 1451-1488 = Margaret Princess of Denmark, von Oldenburg 1456-1486
8. James IV Stewart, King of Scotland 1473-1513 =v= Isabel Stewart of Buchan, dau. of James 1st Earl Buchan
9. Lady Janet Stewart 1502-1562 = Malcolm Fleming, 3rd Lord Fleming
10. Lady Margaret Fleming 1529-1586 = John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl
11. Lady Janet Stewart 1557-1593 = Sir Duncan Campbell of Glenorchy, 1st Baronet
12. Archibald Campbell of Lagvinshoch and Monzie 1583-1640 = Jean Campbell & Katherine Graham
13. Margaret Campbell 1637-1691 = Donald Glas Stewart MacGregor 1630-1686, son of Malcolm Og Callum MacGregor
14. Robert (Rob Roy) MacGregor 1671-1734 = Mary Helen MacGregor, dau. of Macgregor of Comar
15. James Mohr MacGregor 1697-1745 = Annabel McNiccol
16. Archibald MacGregor 1720-1758 = Edith Effie MacAlpin, dau. of Henry MacAlpin, killed at Culloden
17 Ann MacGregor of Guilford North Carolina 1756-1830 = Capt. Henry Connelly (Conley) 1752-1840
18. Elizabeth L. "Becky" Connelly (Conley) 1789-1871 = Aaron Tate born 1785 at Big Moccasin Creek, Fincastle Va.
19. Maburn "Dock" Tate of Ft. Payne, AL born 1811 = Delana "Delany" Killion, born 1824
20. Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, born 1855 (married=1852) Solomon S. Puryear, born 1841 Granville N.C.
21. Mary Ada Puryear, born 12/19/1876 Scottsboro, Alabama - died 1946 Bridgeport, Alabama = Linnville Andrews Dugger, born 1872 Sweetwater, Tenn., son of Hardin Green Dugger.
22. Rosa Grace Dugger, born 1904 - died 1986 = Wiley Sanford Barnes, 01/26/1902 - 10/22/1933
23. Ruby Catherine/Katherine Barnes, born 1929 - died 1988 =v= Dave Franklin Jackson, 1925-2002
24. Michael Dave Barnes, Knight Templar of the York Rite, Knight of Malta of the York Rite, Knight of the Red Cross of the York Rite, Scottish Baron Lochaber, Baron of Menstrie, Baron of Hampbton-on-Sea, Chatelain of Cymry, Viscount de Barne, Graf van Harlingen (de jure), Comte de Puryer, Comte de Frisia (de jure), Marquis de Septimania (de jure), Ri de Kippen [Buchanan], Lord of the Isles (de jure), Duke of Kartvelia (de jure), Grand Archduke of Doggerland, Grand Prince of Doggerland.
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Legitimate: [Middle English, born in Wedlock]
(1.) Being in compliance with the law. LAWFUL.
(2.) Being in accordance with established or accepted patterns and standards.
(3.) Based on logical reasoning.
(4.) Genuine

Marriage came about initially as a property right to a female. Later as religion came into vogue, marriage became shrouded with the trappings of mysticism. Mystical it may have seemed. But paternity was anything but certain in the time before DNA. In those early times a legal document of marriage was the only thing that could be used as evidence of paternity. Now there is DNA which makes the idea of illegitimacy moot.

If a child born out of wedlock is unlawful, by all means point out the law the child has broken. What sort of punishment would you heap upon the shoulders of the newborn, and why? In the past the punishment was to be bared from inheriting his/her parents property. One can only assume this was to give the said property to the "lawful" heirs, or other family members. If identification was the issue, DNA solves that problem. This would only be an issue for the father. Most women know if they have had a child. Thus disinheritance from the mother's line would have or should have never been an issue.

The idea of illegitimacy came into being under the old defunct and discredited idea of religion. Religion being an old definition of a replacement for science, history, morality and origin of Man. Why should we accept its failed concept of "legitimacy"? Why should we accept the ideas of a document (Bible) hundreds of years old and out of date. The document, the Bible, dated to a time when ancient man thought the sun revolved around the Earth and the world was flat. Why should we accept this old idea instead of modern DNA?

The idea of illegitimacy is only now used by those who wish to pigeonhole someone in order to disinherit them or deny them something owed to them. As to knowing who our parents are, none of us do. Does a child of one day old know who it's parents are? We are taught who our parent are. A mother almost always knows her child. Before DNA a father could only speculate. Despite ancient, archaic religious based monarchies the world does not operate by a system of primogeniture.

In the present day DNA enlighten world many a false paternity has come to light. Most notable are the DNA's of the "five anonymous living donors, all members of the extended family of the present Duke of Beaufort, who claim descent from both the Plantagenets and Tudors through the children of John of Gaunt,"... "the present Queen may not be descended from John of Gaunt and Edward III, the lineage on which the Tudors claim to the throne originated." - The Gaurdian

There is also the evidence that was found in an English cathedral's records that was shown on a T.V. program in 2004 called 'The Real Monarch of Britain' by Tony Robinson, in which it was discovered that Richard, Duke of York, son of Richard Conishburgh, Earl of Cambridge and Anne Mortimer, 1411-1460, was 100 miles away fighting in France when his wife, Cicely Neville became pregnant. It was known that she was have an illicit relationship with an English Archer by the name of Blaybourne. The child of the illicit union was Edward IV, King of England. The King that never should have been. He did have a right to his mother's title and possessions though, as Count of Westmorland. The video is available for viewing for free on youtube.

The daughter of Edward IV was Elizabeth. As a descendant of John of Gaunt (which is now known that she really wasn't) she married the known to be illegitimate Edward VII, king of England. Her marriage to him was to give his reign legitimacy with her descent from John of Gaunt.

Thus the reigning Queen Elizabeth II does have an illegitimate right to rule through her descent from Edward VII.

The now defunct monarchy of the Bourbon line of French Kings is no different. The present DNA of its present members does not match that of blood believed to be from Louis XVI, and the DNA of a head believed to be that of Henri IV. See dienekes.blogspot.

So there you have it. If legitimacy is the test. None of the present monarchies pass muster. Save one, The Grand Royal Sovereign Princedom and Grand Archduchy of Doggerland.

End post 354 A: Sir Michael D. Barnes is teltalheart, a.k.a. Grand Archduke and Grand Prince of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 302 A: Y-DNA R1b1a2 Celtic Pharaohs


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Post 302 A: Y-DNA R1b1a2 Celtic Pharaohs

As I stated in Post 300 A:, it has been found that King (Pharaoh) Tutankhamen (Tutankhaten) is of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b1a2, a Celtic marker. I had recently moved from a 37 marker to a 67 marker Y-DNA test through FamilyTreeDNA.

I was found to have R1b1a2 Y-DNA. I googled it and found http://able2know.org/topic/175546-1. On this page it stated "King Tut is of Haplogroup R1b1a2 (Celtic)". Since that time I have found this same statement on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA) on page 3 of 15. It states "It has been reported in newspapers that King Tut is a member of the haplogroup R1b1a2, but it is found in less that 1% of men in most parts of Egypt today."It also states "...in parts of north-western Ireland it reaches 98%."

This was the first I had ever heard of Egyptian Pharaohs of the Seventeenth Dynasty being of Celtic Y-DNA. I have wondered to myself why newspapers here in the South haven't reported on the subject. At least I haven't seen any papers or TV news reports about it. I have even sent an E-Mail to channel 48 news in Huntsville, Alabama asking about it. I have, of course, heard nothing back and I very seriously doubt that I will. It's almost like a conspiracy of silents, isn't it!

Y-DNA is inherited through the male line. Thus one gets their Y-DNA from their father, who got it from his father, who got it from his father, on down through time immemorial.

Thus if Tut has Y-DNA R1b1a2 then he must have gotten it from his father Neferkheperure-Waenre Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten).

The known line would look something like this.
Sekhemre Shedwast Sobekemsaf I
Sekhemre-Wepmaat Intef
Nubkheperre Intef
Sekhemre-Heruhirmaat Intef
Sobekemsaf II (Sekhemrewadjkhau)
Tao I the Elder (i.e.: Senakhtenre)
Tao II the Brave (Seqenenre)
Kamose
Nebpehtire Ahmose I, (Ahmosis I)
Djeserkare Amenhotep I
Aakheperkare Thutmose I
Aakheperenre Thutmose II
Menkheperre Thutmose III
Aakheperrure Amenhotep II
Menkheperure Thutmose IV
Nebmattre Amenhotep III, The Magnificent King
Neferkheperure-Waenre Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten)
Tutankhamen (Tutankhaten)

Of course the line would be much longer than this. If Akhenaten or any of his ancestors had any brothers that are unaccounter for the line might very well stretch even until today.

Apparently news such as this, Celtic Pharaohs, must be a little too much. You see it doesn't fit into the paradigm of what the public has been told by the governments and the media to expect. Thus the mega-science corporation Roche is attempting to buy-up the manufacturer of the DNA test equipment.

The carpetbaggers are going to make sure you get the kind of news that you deserve, or that they think you deserve.

After all, the politican have said "we won the Cold-War." Then why is the mortgage to the White House and, yes, the United States itself held by Communist China? Its little questions like this that bother me. Why in my area is there 73 channels of pure garbage and not one channel of real News? If not for National Geographic and PBS there wouldn't be anything worth watching. History has become hillbillies on parade.

More histroy of the Celtic people can be found on:
www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/irishoriginsexcerpts/book1_chap10.html

End Post 302 A: www.voy.com/40560/ teltalheart=Michael D. Barnes

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Subject: Post 353 A: JPD-The Illegitimate Monarchy of Britain


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Post 353 A: JPD-The Illegitimate Monarchy of Britain

In a documentary entitled 'Britain's Real Monarch' hosted by Tony Robinson aired 3 January 2004. It seems a historian, Dr. Michael Jones, in Rouen Cathedral exposing the curious fact that Richard, Duke of York was 100 mile away in battle when he was supposed to have been getting his wife Cecily Neville, Duchess of York, pregnant. It seem she was having a romance with an English archer by the name of Blaybourne.

This fact makes Duchess Cecily's son, King Edward IV, illegitimate. It was from Duke Richard's line and descent from John of Gaunt that was to pass down to the present days linage in giving the so-called "Royal Family of Britain" it's Royal right to rule. King Edward IV's daughter, Elizabeth, is supposed to have given her husband King Henry VII the right to rule. This due to the known admitted fact that Edward VII was the illegitimate son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond.

It seem in this case in 2004 it would have been Edward IV's supposed brother George, Duke of Clarence's descendant Michael Abney-Hastings, 14th Earl of Loudoun to whom the title of King of England would have fell. He died in 2012 and his heir the rightful King of England is today Simon Michael Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun (born 1974).


This interesting video is still available for free viewing on YOUTUBE.

I only bring this up because Britain's Royals have long used illegitimacy to disinherit any number of poor unfortunates of their lands and titles due them. Yet they themselves cannot live up the same standard they have set for everybody else.

This fact makes every title and land grant since 1485 false and illegitimate as well. It is for this very reason that this wrong will never be made right by the British Nobility. There are just too many nobles with a vested interest in keeping thing the way they are. So they will simply do what the British are so famous for, pretending something didn't happen when it suits them. And yet John "of Eredy" Alexander will never be recognized by this fake of a Royal Monarchy, as being the descendant and heir of Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Baronet of Nova Scotia, etc., etc.

Since about 1620 the British Crown has owed the descendants of Sir William Alexander 10,000 pounds sterling. At a rate of 5% a year compounded annually. It come to around $32,257,114,100. The title of Baronet was the lowest title held by Sir William. This title was usually sold by the crown of England to Knights and Gentlemen to raise money for war and conquest. I figure this is enough money to cover the cost of the title of Baronet for all unfortunate descendants of the Alexander family. This to include myself, of course. I further claim the title of Baron of Menstrie.

The British have long marched armies into foreign countries that were particularly defenseless against British canons and rifles. They would then announce that the British Monarch was now King/Queen of that unfortunate said country (India, Egypt, China, America, Ireland, Scotland) etc. Any resistance would be met with violence and murder.

I must say I do like the British public, and am even found of their nobles. I suppose it's because we are related and therefore so much alike.

I have noticed either a consolidation or loss of some of my posts on this site. Never the less I have all of them saved on a flash drive.

To you, my dear friends, I wish the best. Good hunting, genealogically speaking. And be safe.

End Post 353 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Knight of the Red Cross, Knight of Malta of the York Rite, Knight Templar of the York Rite, Scottish Baron Lochaber, Baron of Menstrie, Baron of Hampbton-on-Sea, Chatelain of Cymry, Viscount of Barne (Doggerland), Graf Van Harlingen (de jure), Comte de Puryer (Doggerland), Comte de Frisia (de jure), Marquis de Septimania (de jure), Ri de Kippen [Buchanan], Duke of Kartvelia (de jure), Grand Archduke of Doggerland, Grand Prince of Doggerland.

P.S., I also have on line three web sites under the title of: Grand Archduke of Doggerland and Grand Prince of Doggerland. I wish to invite you to view these at your leisure.

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Subject: Post 352 A: JPD - 04, A New Monarchy, part 2


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Post 352 A: JPD - 04, A New Monarchy, part 2

As has been stated on Post 350 A: and 351 A:, It is now obvious that due to the revelations of The Guardian: "Questions raised over Queen's ancestry after DNA test on Richard III's cousin's." Queen Elizabeth II's right to rule is obviously in question as the true monarch of Britain. After the battle of Bosworth, 1485, and death of Richard III, the Tudors used their descent from John of Gaunt, son of Edward III and father of Henry IV, to claim title to the throne of England.

With the revelation that the Y-DNA of John of Gaunt didn't make it down to the present Duke of Beaufort's line, close cousins of Elizabeth II. Still Elizabeth II has many lines with many noble lineages. Even if the line from John of Gaunt has proven not to be present and makes that line and any claim to the throne through it illegitimate. The most obvious of Elizabeth II's claims would be to the Royal House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. It is a German Noble House and title. It's just to bad that King George V of England felt he had the right, one still wonders from where, to have his subject nobles renounce any German titles they may have had after 1918 and the end of WWI. It may have been one pillar Elizabeth II could have stood upon as a claim to the English throne. Like a shakspearian tale, hoisted by one's own family petard.

She may yet have a claim to Scotland, as a descendant of Mary Queen of Scots. Even if the line is illegitimate if Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley proves to not be the father on James VI of Scotland - I of England, as I suspect. She does have a descent through Margaret, daughter of the King Christian I of Norway, Sweden and Denmark, (as does ourself), wife of James III of Scotland.

No matter what the British 'Royals' have done to our family line we are not without compassion for our dear cousins plight. Our Dear cousin will always have a place amongst the nobles of the Grand Principality and Grand Archduchy of Doggerland. On the first publishing of part 1 on 23:55:40 01/09/15 of Post 352 A:, we had announced our dear cousin would be ennobled as a Countess in Doggerland. That is still the case and should be considered as such.

End post 352 A: part 2, teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 351 A: JPD - 03, A correction of Post 350 A:


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Post 351 A: JPD - 03, A correction of Post 350 A:


In "post 350 A: Happy New Year & Right to Rule", I had inadvertently left off a word that should have been included. The word was "not."

It should have been in the sentence: "As is stated in news reports, their 'not' about to go "knocking on the door of Buckingham Palace looking for DNA samples."

The British 'royal family' not having a descent from John of Gaunt, son of Edward III and father of Henry IV, which they used as their point to have the 'Right to Rule' effectively means the British royals aren't royal.

Unless I miss my guess that would mean every title granted since the first of two "breaks" in the Y-DNA male genetic line occurred would make all those titles granted afterwards WORTHLESS and without merit. In other words all titles and lands granted under those titles are fake, fraudulent, worthless and without and merit at all.

They, the 'royals,' have used illegitimacy to disinherit any number of people. Now that it has been proven the THEY are illegitimate one see the TRUE JUSTICE at work. Nothing is to be done. It's all going to be "let's pretend this didn't happen." Those with 'vested interests' will be allowed to keep their fake titles and fake land grants to fake nobility.

One cannot be the Sovereign unless one IS the Sovereign.
I am of course referring to the article from The Guardian: "Questions raised over Queen's ancestry after DNA test on Richard III's cousins."

To the person who rolled over my page to post 305 instead of Post 350 A:, I don't blame you. If I had a vested interest in the "Queen being the (true) Queen," I would have rolled it over so nobody else could see it also.
But, hahaha, since I don't that on you, pal!

Until next time, be safe.

End Post 351 A:, teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 350 A: JPD-02 Happy New Year & Right to Rule


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Post 350 A: JPD-02 Happy New Years & Right to Rule.

This is our Happy New Year 2015 wish from for you and yours from the Grand Principality and Grand Archduchy of Doggerland. The "JPD" in an acronym for "The Journal of the Principality of Doggerland."

Entering into this New Year it is our fervent hope that it will be better than the pervious year.

Listed below I will expound on new DNA evidence concerning the British "royal" family.

The Right to Rule:

A recent news report by The Guardian entitled "Questions raised over Queen's ancestry after DNA test on Richard III's cousins."

Looking at the report, it states that "Five anonymous living donors, all members of the extended family of the present Duke of Beaufort, who claim descent from both the Plantagenets and Tudors through the children of John of Gaunt, gave DNA samples which should have matched Y Chromosomes exacted from Richard's bones. But none did."

Having been discovered under a parking garage, Richard's body was proven by a mitochondrial DNA test. The mtdna was handed down in an unbroken line through the female relatives of Richard III, his sisters, to two relatives that are living today. It is a stark contrast to the Y male line chromosomes.

Ever prudent of illegitimacy being a cause for disinheritance one wonders how the royals will treat this, especially since it involves the Queen's ancestors claim to the throne, which has passed down to her.

At present it seems nothing is to be done. Too many people, it seems, have too much of a vested interest to 'rock-the-boat' as one might say. As is stated in the news report, their about to go "knocking on the door of Buckingham Palace looking for DNA samples." It stated that there is "at least two breaks in the male line."

Rare is it that truth comes out! The Tudor line claimed the throne after killing Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485. But, as is stated, "However the Tudors did back up their claim to the throne through descent from John of Gaunt, son of Edward III and father on Henry IV."

"To be, or not to be?" It seems justice is not to be, in this case at least. One wonders who bares the true line - who it seems should after all be enthroned? Those who have denied so many their just due, it appears, are not to receive theirs. As one editor once said "when the legend, (or lie) becomes the truth. Print the legend" (or lie).
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There has been a controversy concerning the true DNA of the ancient inhabitants of Doggerland. There is a faction that claims "I" DNA are the ancient inhabitants of Doggerland.

The "BBC News - DNA study deals blow to theory of European origins" report seems to indicate that "some of the markers on the Y chromosome are less reliable than others for estimating the ages of genetic lineages. On these grounds, they argue that current analytical tools are unsuitable for dating the expansion of R-M269."

They also stated "At the moment it's not possible to claim anything about the age of this lineage." "I would say that we are putting the ball back in the middle of the field."

In a National Geographic report entitled:
"Europe Was a Melting Pot From the Start, Ancient DNA Reveals."

It seems fragments of DNA from a 37,000 year old man found near Kostenki Russia. It has been postulated for a long time that waves of migrants out of Africa came into Europe. The DNA of the 37,000 years old man revealed that "The findings suggests that Europe's past wasn't marked by waves of migration when people met, clashed, and mingled; rather, people arrived in a single event or as a continuous flow over millennia."

It was found that 37,000 years ago "you find all the major genetic components that are present in modern Europeans."

So it seems R1b1a2a1a1a or R1b1a2a1a1c (R-Z381) might have just been around in the people of Doggerland after all. Such has always been my claim. Inheritance of the title through family bloodlines.

Until next time, be safe, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

End post 350 A:, teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 349 A: Stupidity


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Post 349 A: Stupidity

Stupid - 1 a: slow of mind : OBTUSE b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts c : lacking intelligence or reason : BRUTISH 2 : dulled in feeling and sensation : TORPID 3 : marked by or resulting from dullness : SENSELESS 4 : a : lacking interest or point. - Webster's

Brutish 1 : befitting beasts. 2 a: strongly or grossly sensual b: showing little intelligence or sensibility. - Webster's

Brute 3 a: CRUEL, SAVAGE - Webster's

As I set here I wonder to myself how many of you have to deal with these kind of people. While I myself do not know everything, by a long shot, I attempt to learn. I try not to be too verbal about subjects I do not know much about. I know a little about hunting, but not as much as many. I'm amazed at those who can tear an engine apart and put it together again.

My greatest forte lies in genealogy and history. I have been involved in genealogy for more that thirty years.

Carlo Maria Cipolla wrote five laws of stupidity:
1. ...each of us underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
2. The probability that a given person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic possessed by that person.
3. A person is stupid if they cause damage to another person or group of people without experiencing personal gain, or worse causing damage to themselves in the process.
4. Non-stupid people always underestimate the harmful potential of stupid people; they constantly forget that at any time anywhere, and in any circumstance, dealing with or associating themselves with stupid individuals invariably constitutes a costly error.
5. A stupid person is the most dangerous person there is.


I was beset by a stupid individual yesterday who said, "you aren't really related to all those people, you're just tellin' lies!"

Let us see now, I researched every step in my genealogical past. I have gotten land deeds, census records, wills, copies of land grants, walked through numerous graveyards, spent many-many hours in the genealogical section of libraries etc., etc. So I MUST be lying. It should be obvious. After all, if I wasn't lying why else would I put myself through all that?

When I asked what genealogy he had done the response was "none!" So let's see how that would work in other fields of endeavor. A medical doctor spends eight years in college to become a Doctor, and I think two years as in residency. "Hey Doc, my name's Hichael Mallmark and I'm here to tell you that you don't know what the hell yer a doin'. Now I aint never cracked a medical book in my life. But I'm here to tell ya that yer just a quack and a lyin' piece of dung, because I know better. I know because I'm big and I'm loud. And I may not know much, but I know yer full of it!"

You can easily see how that Doctor who had devoted ten years to becoming a physician would see the error of his ways because a big, incredibly stupid, loud mouthed country rube had figured him out at a glance.

All I can say is if someone has never walked in my shoes and doesn't know the first thing about what I do, they should probably keep their big mouth shut.

At present I'm doing research on the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture as part of an article I'm working on in the field of DNA. I have an interest in paleontology. I think that's what I would have liked to have been. Who knows, maybe it's not too late.

Be safe.
End Post 349 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 348 A: Journal of the Principality of Doggerland,01


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Post 348 A: Journal of the Principality of Doggerland, 01

I am going to quote some of the tenets of the Principality and Grand Archduchy of Doggerland.

"In Germany, the constitution of the Weimar Republic in 1919 ceased to accord privileges to members of dynastic and noble families. Their titles henceforth became legal parts of the family name, and traditional forms of address (e.g., "Hoheit" or "Durchlaucht") ceased to be accorded to them by governmental entities. ...The actual rank of a title-holder in Germany depended not only on the nominal rank of the title, but also the degree of sovereignty exercised, the rank of the title-holder's suzerain, and the length of time the family possessed its status within the nobility (Uradel, Briefadel, altfurstliche, neufurstliche,...). Thus, any reigning sovereign ranks higher than any deposed or mediatized sovereign. ...However, former holders of higher titles in extant monarchies retained their relative rank, i.e., a queen dowager of Belgium outranks the reigning Prince of Liechtenstein. Members of a formerly sovereign or mediatized house rank higher than the nobility. Among the nobility, those whose titles derive from the Holy Roman Empire rank higher than the holder of an equivalent title granted by one of the German monarchs after 1806." Royal and noble ranks - Wikipedia

The English Royal House of Windsor is in reality the German House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

"The feudal or prescriptive baronies of Scotland used to be attached to a piece of property called a 'caput' which was a building, castle or manor house of some kind. From this the landlord controlled his property; and from it the barony usually took it's name. With the transfer of the caput to a new owner meant the transfer of the title, baron. The first Scottish Executive on 28 November 2004 abolished the feudal system by the: 'Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000." partly from Wikipedia, (Scottish feudal barony).

The baronies then became "incorporeal hereditaments", not attached to the land. They remain the only genuine degree of title in the UK nobility capable of being bought and sold. It was not only feudal baronies that were affected but also feudal lordships and earldoms.

Scotland was not the first to create incorporeal hereditaments though. In France Napoleon during the Old Regime ended feudalism and created a connection to land called a "majorats."

The King of France (Louis XVI), pre-1789, had created some purely nominal titles as high as Marquis without being connected to any land. Thus the first incorporeal hereditaments, at least that I am aware of.

If one types in "Are you a descendant of Charlemagne" into a search engine such as google one gets ".sandwalk.blogspot.com/2009/10/are-you-descendant-of-Charlemagne.html" just add the three w's to the front of it.

On this site one finds: ..."if your ancestors lived in Europe, especially western Europe, then it's almost certain that Charlemagne is one of your ancestors."

Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor on Christmas Day in the year 800 A.D. . Thus, the line is not only Royal, but also Imperial.

I, Michael Dave Barnes, claimed the title of Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland, and Grand Archduke of Doggerland as an incorporeal hereditament. This due to the fact that I am of Royal and Imperial descent, and also due my claim on it under the Uniform Unclaimed Property Act (1995). I am of DNA R1b1a2a1a1a and a further test revealed that I am also R-Z381 Y-DNA.

I have also claimed the incorporeal hereditament title of 'Scottish Baron Lochaber, Lord of Lochaber' since 14 March 2007. This due to the fact that I had purchased it. The Herald of Scotland now states, "there cannot be more than one Lord." This was never stated as being the case when I purchased my title. Thus I claim it under a grandfather clause. The fact that my great, (x 19 generations), grandfather, Alexander MacAlister, born 1370, was Lord of Lochaber, I would hope would add some strength to the matter.

There are many titles in my family line that are abeyant. Due to the personage which claims sovereignty it the areas that were former sovereign kingdoms in which many of the titles lay. One cannot expect them to be issued to the rightful members in the hereditary family line.

Other titles that I claim are:
Duke of Kartvelia, Ri Tuaithe Jure uxoris - Colbhasa, Ri de Kippen (de jure), Marquis of Clermont (de jure), Marquis of Charleton on Scarborough (Doggerland), Count of Frisia (Doggerland), Count de Puryer (Doggerland), Graf Van Harlingen (de jure), Vicomte de Porhoet (de jure), Viscount of Barne (Doggerland), Chatelain of Knybbeworth and Cymry, Baron of Powys (de jure), Knight Templar of the York Rite, Knight of Malta of the York Rite, Knight of the Red Cross of the York Rite, Baronet of Great Britain [of Charleton Tower, in Tyndale and Helseyside, near Bellingham] (de jure), Baronet of Nova Scotia [Alexander] (de jure), Baronet of Cornouaille (Doggerland), Scottish Baron Lochaber.

The Principality and Archduchy of Doggerland is not answerable or under the control of any other sovereign or nation save myself, Sir Michael Dave Barnes. It does not answer to Queen Elizabeth II Windsor, nor to the Royal Houses of the Netherlands (Nassau-Orange and their descendants) or Belgium (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha). Nor to Spain, France or Germany.

As Sovereign I have the right to issue writs, assign posts and grant titles, etc., etc. All of which I do when need. No one has my power of attorney or my proxy to do, sign or say anything concerning myself or my business. I have NEVER given this power or right to anyone. I do not have a grand and shiny web sites. What little I do have one can see by typing in 'Grand Prince of Doggerland' or 'Grand Archduke of Doggerland' into a good search engine. My web pages should come up. I can also be found on facebook under "Grand ArchDuke of Doggerland." At least at this time and date. My thanks to you for viewing my website. I wish you peace. - Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

End Post 348 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 347 A: Republican Howash Incorporated


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Post 347 A: Republican Hogwash Incorporated


Well, it seem the Republicans have won both the House and Senate. The Republican, a.k.a. Fox News 'Wage The Dog' strategy of disinformation, attack and balm it on the other guy, hold the opponent back and keep him from doing anything - then blame him ( President Obama) for not doing anything, has worked well. This and the fact that most Americans, particularly the young, have the memory capacity of a fire fly.

Then the U.S. public bought it, hook line and sinker; Lord love 'um!

What has, and is, the Republican Political Party been called for years?
Answer: the party of the rich!

President Clinton signed NAFTA and GATT at the behest of who?
Answer: the Republicans Congress. They, the Republicans, said "it was the only good thing he ever did in office."
NAFTA and GATT, by the was, sent American jobs out of the U.S.A.

They also asked him to sign away Glass-Steagell, the bill that was put in place after the 1929 Stock Market crash. It, Glass-Steagell, prevented lending institutions (Banks) from engaging in risky business ventures.

By signing it away it allowed Banks and other lending institutions to gamble with the American publics money. Selling mortgages and penny stacks that weren't worth crap and rebranding them as a pot of Gold. This led to the 2008 Stock Market Crash. Many of the wealthy, including those in Congress, saw it coming and got out early. Allowing the American public the privilege of taking the hit.

Thus this year 2014 Fox News, the disinformation machine of the rich / Republican Party, worked its magic. The Republicans have even talked about starting another propaganda news channel since Fox has worked so wonderfully well.

To the Democrats, as was said in the movie 'BULWORTH' "you got to put down that malt-liquor and chicken wings" and go vote. Or so to speak.

Well, perhaps America got what it deserves. The Republican accused Pres. Obama of not doing anything. Then every time Obama proposed a bill the Republicans staled it until it was dead. Including providing bullet-proof vests for law enforcement agencies that couldn't afford them. The Republican wouldn't do it unless the money came out of Social Security. Which Obama WOULDN'T DO!

Thus the hostage takers, the Republicans, got what they wanted from the American public. Now if we can only get a Republican President the taxes on the Wealthy and Corporations can be lowered and that burden shifted to add those taxes to the backs of the already struggling middle class, while the poor can loss more social benefits. Those on Social Security can gave their retirement checks frozen or cut back. All so the wealthy can have more, and more.

As I have said in the past on this board, If you make less then $250,000 a year and have a family net worth less then $1,000,000 and still vote Republican, the you, my friend, are a FOOL.

End Post 347 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Price and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 346 A: A Brithday Wish


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Post 346 A: A Birthday Wish

As some of you may know, a few days ago I celebrated my 56th birthday. I wish to thank all those who sent me Birthday well wishes and greeting. Especially those "Good Christian" who sent me greetings despite our difference of opinion on religion.

I am not sure whether I would be classified as an agnostic or not. Agnostics believe there is no evidence for or against the existence of God. I believe there is no evidence, that man can find, for or against the existence of the Great Architect, as we call him. Only God and prove God's existence. If God proved his existence, what would be the value of faith?

I chose to believe in the existence of The Great Architect. However, in saying that I also must say I don't believe he runs around with a magic wand creating things, or for that matter writing books. I believe that was the work of man trying to imagine the mind of God. I think they did a reasonable job of it when it came to how we should treat each other. Not so much of a kindness when it came to the planet itself. But what would you expect of Bedouins of 500 B.C. to 64 A.D.? They certainly did a lot of plagiarizing of other work that went into the Bible. The story of the Great Flood in the Bible was taken from the Epic of Gilgamesh. Which itself may have been taken from the Enuma Elis. The Ten commandments are simply a retelling of Spell 125 in The Egyptian Book of the Dead.

The very idea of trying to interpret the mind of God is ludicrous in itself. Try to imagine an ant trying to interpret the mind of Albert Einstein. Now increase Einstein's intellect by a billion I.Q. points. The idea is beyond farcical. Yet that Reverend on that pulpit is going to tell you that he, the good Reverend, knows the mind of God.

Charles Darwin thought he, a great scientist, was unworthy of even giving an opinion on the existence of God. Today Darwin is reviled by people who don't bother to understand his work or what he himself stood for, the increase of man's knowledge. It usually comes from those who see knowledge as a very dangerous thing. They think it better to pray, hold their Bible close, vote republican as their parents did, and hope the corporation they work for and their republican government does the right thing.
Which you know it won't.

All while they themselves get their information from Fox News. After all, what could be fairer or more balanced then a News Corporation created by the wealthy to give only their slanted viewpoint to the masses?

What is amazing is that these same "Christians" vote republican. The republicans of the past, not long ago, voted in bills that allowed these same "Christians" jobs from American corporations to be sent overseas to China, a Communist country. The products are made by Communist workers in Communist controlled factories and sent back to the U.S.A. without paying a single penny in U.S. import tax. Then it's put on the shelves of Walmart for these same "Christians" to buy. One has to wonder, at what point do these "Christians" wake up and smell the rancid B.S.?

It absolutely boggles the mind!
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One has also to wonder at the fact that the Taliban fighters in the middle east, and abroad, have usually never read the complete Koran. Or have any great understanding of it. Much as the so called "Christians" have never read the complete Bible. Yet these same Taliban fighters will go by what their religious leaders, mullahs, tell them. They're the foot soldiers. But who controls the foot soldiers?

It is interest that 15 of the 19 members of the 911 Hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraqi or Afghanistan. Yet we saw, less than eight years ago, George W. Bush walking hand-in-hand with Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia. It makes one wonder if all this war and rallying around the war effort is just a political move with a financial interest and purpose behind it. Now we, under President Obama, are about to enter a new war in the same area. More money will need to be printed up by the Federal Reserve System which, despite its name, is a private banking corporation not controlled by the U.S. Government. It loans money to the U.S. Government with interest. It make it's own regulations. It's consistent with the central banking model the U.S. Government tried to escape from when the U.S.A. declared independence in American Revolution of 1776. The more money they print, the more money they make. And nothing is more profitable than war.

As most know, I have long been a critic of U.S. involvement in foreign wars. It seems a lot of the very wealthy make a great deal of money off the death and destruction. I have only in the past three months come across a little movie released in 2009 called 'ZEITGEIST.' I highly recommend watching this movie. You can find it on U-Tube. You might even want to buy a copy for yourself. It's very informative. I already knew most of the information from other sources. There were, however, some things I did not know.

I didn't know the sun, if you live in the northern hemisphere, moves south for six months until December 22nd, 23rd, and 24th when it appears to stand still for three days. So the sun is said to be "dead" for three days. At this same time of the year the three stars in Orion's Belt lineup and point to the brightest star in the sky, Sirius. This bright star is in a direct line with the sun and the three stars in Orion's Belt. The three stars in Orion's Belt are call "The Three Kings," as they have been for thousands of years. So the Three Kings are following the brightest star in the sky to the SUN (SUN GOD) that is being reborn from the dead, rising from the dead, on December 25th. The day then begin to get longer. Now who does that sound like? Is Jesus just another solar deity as was Horus 3000 B.C., Mithras 1200 B.C., Krishna 900 B.C., and Dionysus 500 B.C.?

People who tend to believe a certain Dogma will not wake up from it. You can try to show them and they'll turn their heads to keep from looking. Or give them something to read and they'll read the first line and put it down because it conflicts with their Dogma. This is to say dogmatic ideas. Not truth, not science, ideas they've been taught or chosen to believe. [Dogma/ 1 c: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds] - Webster's
The ignorance and refusal to learn just boggles the mind. It's enough to leave one with a deep sense of despair, especially for the future.

So to those, and only those, who refuse to learn and listen. When things in the future get really bad. If you want to blame someone. Just look in the mirror.

I have determined that there is a 'Cristian Taliban' in this country. I believe it is no less dangerous than the Islamic Taliban. They just, as yet, have not progressed to the point of using bombs. Why should they? They have been the majority religion for a very long time. Yet they always pretend to be set upon and discriminated against by the Government. Which is he furthest thing from the truth. They will try to destroy or harm anyone that disagrees with their dogmatic opinion. This does not apply to all Christians, obviously.

My birthday wish is for peace. That seeming to be impossible, I would wish those of you who can see through the smoke and mirrors would attempt to explain it to those who can't. But please de so with patients and kindness. Not everyone is at your level.

End Post 346 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 345 A: Ideas from the Doggerland Councel


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Post 345 A: Ideas from the Doggerland Councel.

On August 04, 2014 at approximately 12:01 pm I had an idea I would like to share with you.

Since the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 50 (2010), ruling by the 5 Republican to 4 Democrat Supreme Court ruled Corporation are people, shouldn't actual people have also the same rights as Corporations? Think about it, they can't really be prosecuted or go to jail. They pay fines, and walk free - at least their CEO's do.
Shouldn't the actual citizens have the same right's and protections as the corporations?

If the actual citizens are ruled as not having the same right's and protections as corporations then it seems to me it would be considered unfair and unjust, at least under the Constitution of The United States that I once knew it.

Genealogy News:

As you may have read on Post 344 A:, I have been further DNA tested and found to be positive for Y-DNA R-Z381. This is the same DNA as was discovered to be that of the French Royal House of Bourbon.

"The Royal Bourbons originated in 1268, when the heiress of the lordship of Bourbon married a younger son of King Louis IX. The House continued for three centuries as a cadet house, while more senior Capetians ruled France, until Henry IV became the first Bourbon of France in 1589...Until the 1792 overthrowing of the monarchy in French Revolution."

I am reliably informed by the good people of Family Tree DNA that R-Z381 is somewhat rare. It exists in only one-eighth of one percent of the population; (1/8th of 1%), or 0.125% of 100%.

Further genealogy news:
I for a while had been on Geni - a genealogical site. I's a fun little site. It however is certainly not the best for the serious genealogist. I posted something involving the descend of Jesus and his relation with Mary Magdalene on it's message board. As could be predicted the religious zealots came out of the woodwork to attack me. It seems that on Geni one can't refer to a religious zealot as a religious zealot or a bully as a bully. Oh no, it's the kinder - gentler (B.S.) that's required on that site. One has to take the hand of the religiously mentally retarded and say "no, no really. You're not a moron, no matter what kind of idiotic crap you spout."
So I was "reported" for stating the obvious. So I probably won't be on there any longer. No great loss, to me that is.

Well, that's all I have time for. Be Safe, watch out for random B.S. and learn to recognize it when it's headed your way.

End Post 345 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 344 A: R-Z381 Y-DNA


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Post 344 A: R-Z381 Y-DNA

I have been tested by my DNA test provider as of recent and found to be positive for R-Z381 Y-DNA. This is the same Y-DNA as has been tested for the French Royal House of Bourbon, beginning in the 13th century to the French Revolution in 1789, and again restored after the abdication of Napoleon on April 11th, 1814.

End Post 344 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, titular Grand Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 343 A: Grand Archduke of Doggerland


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Post 343 A: Grand Archduke of Doggerland

Along with the title Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland.
I am claiming the title of Grand Archduke of Doggerland. I claim it as a bloodline descendant of the former inhabitants of the area now known as Doggerland, as I am Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1a, and under the Uniform Unclaimed Property Act (1995).

Many years ago I tried to register that title on a blog that was posted as a micro-nation registry. The guy running the site said he was no longer accepting new micro-nations, but he liked my idea. Some months later I saw the title I was claiming for myself as head of my micro-nation being used by somebody else on the net. I just figured someone had stolen my idea. I've seen nothing as of yet to change that opinion.

So what makes me different then that guy? I'm a bloodline descendant of the inhabitants of Doggerland. I've claimed the title legally under the Uniform Unclaimed Property Act (1995). I'm a descendant of Noble and Royal blood from many lines. If you think it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black, it isn't. If he were questioning my right as compared his. It would be a case of the pot calling the silver tea service black. I'm not black. I may be a little dingy and in need of some polish. But that's just because I wasn't lucky enough, and it is just luck, to be born on the side of the family with money. I'm still a descendant of Royal and Noble blood and still a DIRECT descendant of those long ago inhabitants of Doggerland. I don't see how I can get much more deserving of ownership of the titles than that!

I sent out letters of my proclamation to all the countries surrounding Doggerland. I noticed a little over a month later some of the places on the internet where my work had been quoted by others, had disappeared. Now that's odd! I claimed the title to Doggerland as sovereign under and as an incorporeal hereditament, (title without land attached). So as anyone can plainly see I'm not claiming real estate property that might be claimed by someone else. Why would I; Doggerland is at least fifty feet under the North Sea.

But imagine hubris of other countries surrounding Doggerland. Germany, France, The Netherlands, England having the hubris to be envious or ill tempered over the fact that their Royaltys didn't get to claim Doggerland. These countries who's Nobles and Royal have taken so much money from the pockets of their own people to feather their personal beds, so to speak, and live a life style you and I can only dream about. But if one goes to 'Heraldica.org French heraldry' one finds that there never was a requirement that one needed a certain amount of wealth to be considered to be Noble, or Royal. It's just something in the minds of these people, like the corporate executives of today, that they had to have more than everybody else. And for them to have more, everybody else had to accept less. Less money, less education, less health care, less benefits, less of a life then those who have made a life style out of being consider privileged. And it is only a consideration common people have come to accept as fact.

Did you know; It's an interesting fact that William the 'Conqueror' was William 'The Bastard?' William was the son of Robert "The Devil" Duke of Normandy and the daughter of a common tanner. Thus it was a "morganatic" coupling between a member of a royal or noble family and a person of inferior rank in which the rank of the inferior partner remains unchanged and the children of the marriage/coupling do not succeed to the titles and or fiefs. Thus the entire British Nobility, descending and taking their rank from William, can be considered as illegitimate.

The British Monarchy is, however, an observable reality. Some might consider my legitimacy to be the same as that of William. Thus if the British Monarchy is illegitimate then so would mine be. But the British Monarchy exists. It is also an observable reality that I am a direct bloodline descendant of the Doggerland people and thereby heir of the Doggerland Chieftains/Royalty. It is also an observable reality that I have claimed the titles Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland and Grand Archduke of Doggerland under the Uniform Unclaimed Property Act (1995). It Is also an observable reality by genealogical evidence that I am a descendant of Noble and Royal blood.

In reality power behind titles, in Europe, ended in 1918 after WWI. All European titles are now pretty-much nominal and honorary. It's now getting close to that one hundred year mark when titles became costume jewelry.

I am in reality just an average guy without a grand castle. But, I am not dirt under anyone's feet!

Imagine that! Average Joe makes good.

End Post 343 A: teltalheart is Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Royal Sovereign Prince and Grand Archduke of Doggerland.

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Subject: Post 229 A: 37 Y-DNA and mtDNAplus


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Post 229 A: 37 Y-DNA and mtDNAplus.

I have recently taken a 37 marker Y-Chromosome test for my male; father's, father's, father etc. and a mtDNA plus test for my mitochondrial female ancestor. It seem by my Y-DNA test results that my ancient male ancestor is of the R1b Haplogroup. Or, to be more specific, I am of the R1b1b2 Haplogroup. The R trace marker is usually of caucasian origin and first begins in the region of the Caucasus Mountains, from which we get the name Caucasian. To be more specific the R Haplogroup seems to begin just east of the Caspian Sea in the area of Kazakstan and Uzbekistan, around the Aral Sea.

Line R1 moves north. Line R2 moves into northern India. The R1 line geneticlly separates. The line continuing into norther Europe becomes R1a. The line moving into southern Europe becomes R1b.

My mtDNA is:
HVR1 Mutations
1. 16 069 T
2. 16 126 C
3. 16 193 T
4. 16 519 C

HVR2 Mutations
00 073 G
00 150 T
00 152 C
00 263 G
00 295 T
00 309 .1 C
00 315 .1 C
00 489 C

Haolpgroup, Low Resolution Matches (HVR1)
J1d Bulgaria (142)
J1d Iran (171)
J1d Iraq (179)
J2 Austria (447)
J2 Azerbajan (68)
J2 England (5592)
J2 France (2047)
J2 Germany (6416)
J2 Ireland (5034)
J2 Italy (2148)
J2 Netherlands (810)
J2 Russia (1214)
J2 Scotland (2413)
J2 Sweden (1162)
J2 Switzerland (708)
J2 Syrian Arab Republic (52)
J2 Turkey (321)
J2b Israel (317)

High Resolution Matches (HVR1 + HVR2)
J2 England (2001)
J2 Ireland (1454)
J2 Scotland (727)
J2b Ireland (1454)
J2b Netherlands (216)

This still does not answer the question of the Puryear DNA. Since it is in the Y-Chrom factor one would need to test someone on the Puryear male side. I get my Puryear descendency through my mother's, mother's, mother line.
Until next time,
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Subject: Post 270 A: Delana (Delany) Killian Tate, J2b1b ancestor


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Post 270 A: Delana (Delany) Killian Tate, J2b1b ancestor

Delana (Delany) Killian, born abt. 1827, was the daughter of Daniel Killian and Mary Elizabeth Bost according to w.michaeldnestor.com/conley/conleydc.html

Delana Killian married Maburn (Mayburn/Mayhew) Tate, born abt. 1814, in about 1847.

Delana was the mother of Susanah Tate 2, Alabram A B Tate 0, her sister Eliza Killion 11 is also in residence in the 1850 census of District 24, DeKalb, Alabama (Fort Payne). In 1860 she is mother of Susanna 13 Anthony B. 11, Eveline 8, Elizabeth 5, William 4, Mary F. 7/12.
In 1870 Jane 17, Betty 15, Mary 11, Medy 9, Sally 7. In 1880 Mary 18, Almeda 16, Sarah 15.

Mary Elizabeth Bost, b. abt 1792:
The mother of Delana Killian.
In the Bost genealogy there is a Magdalena Bost who married Andrew Sitz and settled first in Tennessee and later in Alabama. There is also an Elizabeth Bost who was single. From the notes of Jim Watkins "DAR Patriot Index - Centennial Edition" 1990 - Part 1 - page 311. http://paynedaniel2.com/nicolbastbost/D2.html
There is a grave for her in the Killian Cemetry in DeKalb County, Alabama, USA. She is buried under the name 'Pollie Killian - 1782 to 1874', http://findagrave.comcgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6687245

Mary Elizabeth (Magdalena?) Bost (Bast) was the daughter of Johann Wilhelm Bost (Bast) born abt. 1738-39 in Northampton Co. PA., died abt 1823 in Lincoln Co. N.C.
And either Catherine Goodhart, born 19 Jan. 1762 in Anson Co. N.C. or Susannah Catharina Moyer, daughter of Elias Moyer and Anna Catherina ____? If you ask me I would guess it's the Moyer side.

Johann Wilhelm (William) Bost:
b. 1738 - died 1823 in Lincoln Co. NC
He was the son of George Jurig Bast, born 1687, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany.
Johann's brother were;
Nicholas Bast 1681
Johann Henrich Bast 1685
Jacob Bast 1686

George Jurig Bast:
Born 1687, Left Germany on ship (Pink Plaisance?).
Colony arrival date: 19 Sept. 1732
Port: Philadelphia, PA.
Point of origin: Palatines

Father of George J. Bast was Nicol Bast, born 1659 in Heuchelheim, Frankenthal, Pfalz, Bayern? Married Maria in 1680.

Maburn Tate:
Born abt 1814, was the son of Aaron Tate, born 1785 Lebanon, Russell Co. Virginia. Died June 1862, buried in Fort Payne, DeKalb Co., Ala. Married Elizabeth L. Connelly, mother of Nancy A. 1809, Willian 1810, Maburn Dock Tate 1812, Aaron 1814, Mary 1816, Susannah 1817, Robert Hood Tate 1819, Sarah 1821, Henry L. 1822, Elizabeth 1826, Joseph 1827, Eliza Jane (Louise) Tate 1829, John 1833.

Elizabeth L. (Becky) Conley, 1789 - 1871:
The daughter of Capt. Henry Conley.
She was born abt April 8, 1789 in Guilford Co. N.C.; died 22 Dec. 1871 in DeKalb Co. Alabama.

Captain Henry Conley (Connelly):
Born abt May 02, 1752 in Chester Pa., and died May 07, 1840 in Oil Springs, Kentucky. He married Ann MacGregor, daughter of Archibald MacGregor and Edith MacApline. Ann died in Oil Springs, Ky.

Archibald MacGregor:
Born abt 1720, in Scotland.

Delana (Delany) Killian Tate was the mother of Elizabeth (Betty) Tate b. abt. 1854-55, who married Solomon S. Puryear. Elizabeth was the mother of Mary Ada Puryear b.1876, the mother of Rosa Grace Dugger b.1904, my grandmother.

Well that's all I have time for tonight.
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Subject: Post 342 A: Grand Principality of Doggerland


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Post 342 A: Grand Principality of Doggerland


Some time ago I was riffling through the internet looking at titles and how they came to be in different countries.
An advertisement for "nobility.co.uk" keep popping up. Curious I did some research on it and other site purportedly selling noble titles, such as LORDMARCHER.CO.
I found out the titles are real. But, the titles are defunct or extinct.

Not only that, but, the sellers don't usually own the titles. I suppose I could sell the Golden Gate Bridge. But that doesn't mean I actually ever owned it. All titles in Great Briton are said to return to the crown when it is in abeyance or becomes extinct.

The Sovereignty of Doggerland, however, was never under the authority of Great Briton.

So, I thought, if those guys can sell something they don't own. I can claim something I at least have some right to by Bloodline DNA, ergo, genetic heritage to. In case you don't know already I'm Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1a. That's the same DNA as the inhabitance of Doggerland. See: Http://oceanfield.ca/index.php/y-dna-primer/r1b1a2a1a1a

That, my friends, is part of how the Grand Royal Principality of Doggerland was born. It's just FYI.

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Subject: Post 341 A: Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland


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Post 341 A: Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland.

With this last week I have claimed under the Uniform Unclaimed Property Act (1995), the incorporeal hereditament (title without land) 'Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland. As I am Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1a, which is the same as the Neolithic inhabitants of Doggerland there is a certainty that I am a descendant of those long ago Neolithic people. As such I claim the title of Sovereign Prince of Doggerland. See: http:/oceanfield.ca/index.php/y-dna-primer/r1b1a2a1a1a
Be sure to add the second foreword slash on your own in the beginning portion of the address. I had some several years ago claimed the Royal Duchy of Doggerland. However I never push the matter more that one notation on a single site.

I have opened a new site with weebly.
See: ww.grandroyalsovereignprinceofdogge.weebly.com
Be sure to add the third "w" in the address on your own as I cannot under voy forum rules. The address was too long so as you can see it got shortened by weebly.
I have also opened up a new site on voy.
ww.voy.com/241710/ under the Grand Royal Sovereign Prince of Doggerland.

I also have bought the domain name for my Principality as well. Go to my weebly site and enjoy. Thanks

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Subject: Post 328 A: Rob Roy MacGregor, an ancestor!


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Post 328 A: Rob Roy MacGregor, an ancestor!

Apparently, according to "MyHeritage" family trees, Blairetree by Bonnie Wiszniewski", my ancestor Archibald MacGregor (born abt. 1720 Scotland) is the son of James Mor or Mohr MacGregor. James Mohr MacGregor is the fourth of five sons named as descendants of Robert "Rob" Roy MacGregor.

The sons named are "Coll, Ranald, James (called James Roy, after his father and James Mohr, or big James, from his height), Duncan and Robert, called Robert Oig or Young Robin."

"According to Buchanan of Auchmar, the direct male line of the chiefs became extinct in the reign of the latter monarch (William III), and the representation fell, by 'a formal renunciation of the chiefship,' into the branch of Glengyle. Of this branch was the celebrated Rob Roy, this is, Red Rob, who assumed the name Campbell under the proscriptive act. Born about 1660, he was the younger son of Donald MacGregor of Glengyle, a lieutenant-colonel in the service of King James VII., by his wife, the daughter of William Campbell of Glenfalloch, the third son of Sir Robert Campbell of Glenorchy. Rob Roy himself married Helen-Mary, the daughter of MacGregor of Comar. His own designation was that of Inversnaid, but he seems to have acquired a right to the property of Craig Royston, a domain of rock and forest lying on the east side of Loch Lomond. He became tutor to his nephew, the head of the Glengyle branch, then in his minority, and who claimed the chiefship of the clan." - electricscotland.com/history/nation/Macgregor.htm

After the insurrection of 1715 was put down, Rob Roy's home in Breadalbane was burned by General Lord Cadogan. After this he seems to have made his home at Craig Royston or Craigrastan, as some call it.

James Mohr MacGregor went by the name of James Drummond due to the act imposed by James I of England, James VI of Scotland in 1603 outlawing the MacGregor clan from using their own name and wearing their own tartan on pain of death. James Mohr Drummond (MacGregor) died in exile shortly after he penned a letter dated at Paris, 25th September, 1754 to Clan Chief Macgregor of Bohaldie in which "he describes himself as being in a state of extreme destitution, and expressed his anxiety to obtain some employment as a breaker or breeder of horses, or as a hunter of fowler." He had already refused a position offered to him by the English Secretary of State Lord Holdernesse. They had offered him a situation in the government which "would have been a disgrace to his birth" and "would have rendered him a scourge to his country." Apparently the employment and or assistance from his clan chief, Macgregor of Bohaldie, either did not come or did not come soon enough. For he died shortly afterword of "absolute starvation."

1. King Aplin II Mac Eochaidh (King of Dalriada 833-841 A.D.)
2. Prince Gregor (Giric), born abt. 820
3. Doungallas (Doungheal), b.850 = Spontana, dau. of King Aed Findliath - High King of Ireland
4. Constantine II, b.880 = Malvina, dau. of Donald VI, King of Scotland
5. Gregor NA Bratach, b.915 = Dorviegeldum
6. Eoin Mor MacGregor NA Bratach, b.950 = Alpnia MacAlpin, dau. of Angus, & great-grand niece of King Kenneth MacAlpin of Scotland
7. Gregor Garbh, b.980 = Adela, dau. of Colin Campbell of Lochow
8. Eoin MacGregor, b.1010 = unknown
9. Duncan A Straileadh, b.1040 = unknown
10. Duncan BEG (the Little), b.1070 = unknown
11. Malcolm, b.1100 = Margery, dau. of William FitzDuncan, Earl of Moray
12. Gillefealan (William), b.1130 = unknown
13. Eoin (John), b.1160 Laird Glenorchy = unknown
14. Duncan MacEoin, b.1190 Laird Glenorchy = dau. of Lindsay of Bucknull, Earl of Lennox
15. Gregor, b.1220 Laird Glenorchy = Marina, dau. of Gilchrist, seventh son of Alwin, 2nd Earl of Lennox
16. Gregor MacGregor, b.1250 = unknown
17. Malcolm, b.1275 Laird Glenorchy = Mary, dau. of Malise MacAlpin
18. Gregor, b.1305 = unknown
19. John Cram MacGregor, b. 1335 Laird Glenorchy = unknown
20. Gregor Aliunn (Gregor MacEoin Cham), b.1365 Laird Glenorchy = Iric, dau. of Malcolm MacAlpin
21. Dougal Ciar MacGregor, b.1410 last Laird Glenorchy = unk
22. Dougal Culcuere MacGregor (or Coulkeir, Culkeyr, Culquheir, etc.) b.1440 = unknown
23. Gregor MacCulghere MacGregor, b.1470 = unknown
24. Malcolm MacCulchere MacGregor MacGregor (Macdougaichere), b.1505 = Findlay Glas McEantyre [MacIntire]
25. Gregor Dhu (MacCutquheir or Keyletter) b.abt.1545 = unknown
26. Malcolm Oig MacGregor (took the name Stewart), b.1575 = unknown
27. Donald Glas Stewart (alias MacGregor), b.1610 = Margaret Campbell, dau. of William Campbell of Glenfalloch, son of Sir Robert Campbell of Glenorchy.
28. Robert "Rob" Roy Campbell (alias MacGregor), b.1671-d.1734 = Helen-Mary, dau. of MacGregor of Comar
29. James Mohr Drummond (alias MacGregor), b.1697-d.1754 = unknown
30. Archibald MacGregor, b.1720-d.1758 = Edith Effie MacAlpin, dau. of Henry MacAlpin
31. Ann MacGregor of North Carolina, b.1755-d.1830 = Capt. Henry Connelly (Conley)
32. Elizabeth L. Connelly (Conely), b.1789 = Aaron Tate
33. Maburn Tate of Ft. Payne Alabama, b.1811 = Delana (Delany) Killian
34. Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, b.1855 = Solomon S. Puryear
35. Mary Ada Puryear of Scottsboro, Alabama, b.1876 = Linnville Andrews Dugger a.k.a. Andrew Linnville Dugger
36. Rosa Grace Dugger, b.1904 = Wiley Sanford Barnes
37. Ruby Catherine Barnes, b.1929 =/= Dave Franklin Jackson
38. Michael D. Barnes

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Subject: Post 340 A: Alexander Family Records and Accounts


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Post 340 A: Alexander Family Records and Accounts

"THE ERELS OF STIRLING" 75.
ww.archive.org/stream/clandonald20macd/clandonald20/macd_djvu.txt

Sir William Alexander "...surrendered his titles of...into the kings hands shortly before he died" (died 1640). "Thereupon the king, by a charter under the Great Seal, of date 7th December, 1639, granted these titles de novo to the heirs male, and failing them to the eldest heirs female... by a single fatality his titles became extinct in less than a century after his death.

Lord Alexander, the Earl's eldest son, did not succeed his father, having pre-deceased him by about a year,..."

The background of this true story is Sir William Alexander was given a charter to the lands of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Long Island (latter to be part of New York), by King James the first (I) of England, sixth (VI) of Scotland. He had spent the fortune he had made in trade with India settling Nova Scotia. Only to has the son of King James, Charles I, give the land back to France in a peace Treaty.

One story has it that John Alexander, Lord Alexander, died before his father. His father, Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Srirling, Viscount of Canada, Lord of Tullibody, Baronet of Nova Scotia died in 1640. Another story has it that John Alexander died shortly after being released from debtors prison in 1641. The only reason he would have been in debtors prison was because of the actions of the King, Charles I, himself.

Charles I had promised to give 10,000 pounds to Sir William, while Sir William was still alive, in "recompense" for his losses. But as it's stated in the "archive.org/stream/clandonald..." on page 75:

"...but neither he nor any of his successors ever actually received payment."

With the loss of his father's fortune in one fell swoop by King Charles I, John Alexander may have been facing debtors prison. For Charles I, it would have been a boon. Have your subjects spend their own money to found a vast landmass, then give it back to an enemy; with the idea of reclaiming it at a later date.

I have come to believe Charles I saw an opportunity to coerce John Alexander, the rightful 2nd Earl of Stirling or Sterling out of his claim to the land, his rightful due titles and the 10,000 pounds that had been promised him and or his descendants. Such an action would have been illegal in todays society and I believe it would have even been illegal in the early 17th century.

With the prospect of debtors prison hanging over his head, John Alexander may have been forced to abdicate his position and leave Scotland, lest some embarrassing questions arise. What followed was a poorly constructed string of lies to explain the disappearance of John, Lord Alexander. The story of his pre-deceasing his father had to be changed. Something must have happened. Perhaps someone saw him after his fathers death. Then after he had been forced to leave Scotland the story of his death after leaving debtors prison arose, probably from official sources, as they are likely to do in such cases.

The probable outcome was that John Alexander was to disappear from Scotland to the lands of John or James Cunningham, of whom Sir William had lent the money to buy said lands, and fad into Irish society as John "of Eredy" or "Eridy" Alexander.

In the text of "Memorials of the Earl of Sterling and the house of Alexander" on Chapter XXVII and page 87 it states Robert Alexander, probably the son of John of Eredy, had a son, Joseph. Joseph had two sons, James and Thomas. The remains of James rest in the churchyard of Dromore, county Tyrone "where an alter tombstone to his memory displays the armorial escutcheon of the House of Menstry." This is the line of the Barons of Menstrie or Menstry which is the bloodline associated with the descent of Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Baronet of Nova Scotia. It is also known that Robert Alexander had a brother named Archibald. John Alexander of Eredy is known to have had a son known as Archibald Alexander of Ballybiglimore.

Patricia Arnold in her book: ALEXANDER FAMILY IN EUROPE refers to Archibald Alexander of Ballybiglimore, husband of Elizabeth MacKay or McKay as "Archibald Alexander, Baron of Menstrie."

Archibald Alexander of Ballybiglimore is the father of William Alexander, born 1686, died 1749. William Alexander is the father of Elizabeth Alexander, born 1735, died in Virginia. Elizabeth Alexander married John McClung, a Lieutenant and Indian Spy in the American Revolutionary War.

I also suggest having a look at:
ww.archive.org/stream/alexanderfamilyr00clem/alexanderfamily00clem_djvu.txt

In this small book, published 1914, it states that "John Alexander married Miss Grahame, sold his home, Gartmore, in Scotland, emigrated to America, 1660, and settled in Stafford county, Virginia."

That is all I have time for tonight. On genealogy, good hunting.
P.S., I usually don't text of tweet, but I have recently applied for twitter at realteltalheart.

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Subject: 339 A: Somahirle's / Somerled's Line


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339 A: Somahirle's / Somerled's Line


1. Somahirle mac Gillebride, Ri Innse Gall, King of the Hebrides, b.1141 = Ragnhildr Olafs dottir (Olaf I, King of Mann and the Isles).
2. Ragnall mac Somahirle, Lord of the Isles, b.1170 = Fonia of Moray
3. Domhnall mac Raghnaill, Lord of the Isles, b.1200 = Ingen Cailean Mor
4. Aonghas Mor mac Domhnaill, Lord of Islay, b.1248 = dau. of Campbell of Lochawe
5. Angus Og MacDomhnaill (MacDonald) Lord of the Isles, b.1272 = Aine O Cathain
6. Eoin Carragh MacDomhnaill, 7th Lord of the Isles, b.1326 = Epheme (Amie) MacRuaridh
7. Alexander, Lord of Lochaber, a.k.a. Alister Carragh Carragh MacDonald, 1351-1440 = Mary Stewart, 1350-1451
8. Alexander MacAlister, Lord of Lochaber, b.1370 = unk
9. Alexander MacAlister MacAlexander, Lord Menstry, 1400-1461 = Elizabeth MacDonald
10. Thomas Alexander, Baron Menstry, 1420-1505 = unknown
11. Alexander Andrew MacAlexander, Baron Menstrie, 1440-1480 = Lady Catherine Graham
12. Alexander MacAlexander, Baron Menstrie, 1460-1515 = unk
13. Alexander Andrew Alexander, Baron Menstry, 1490-1555 = Lady Elizabeth Douglas
14. Alexander Thomas Alexander, Baron Menstrie, 1515-1580 = unk
15. Archibald Alexander, Baron Menstrie, b.1540 = Marion Couttie, of Gartmore
16. William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1567 = Janet Erskine
17. John "of Eredy" Alexander, 2nd Earl of Stirling (de jure), Viscount Canada (de jure), Baron Menstrie, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1587 = Agnes Elizabeth Graham, Countess Menteith
18. Archibald Alexander, of Ballybiglimore, 3rd Earl Stirling (de jure), Viscount of Canada (de jure), Lord Mentieth (de jure), Baron of Menstrie, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1620 = Elizabeth MacKay
19. William Alexander, of Manor Cunningham, Baron Menstrie, Baronet of Nova Scotia, 1686-1749 = Jean McNutt
20. Captain Archibald Alexander, Baron Menstrie, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1708 = Margaret Parks
21. Elizabeth Alexander, Baroness Menstrie, Baronetess of Nova Scotia, b.1735 Antrim, Ire. = John McClung
22. Margaret Mary McClung, Baronetess of Nova Scotia, b.1755 Virginia = Robert Hood Tate
23. Aaron Tate, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1788 Virginia = Elizabeth Connelly
24. Maburn "Dock" Tate, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1811 -d. 1889 Ft. Payne AL = Delana "Delany" Killion
25. Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, Baronetess of Nova Scotia, b.1855 = Solomon S. Puryear
26. Mary Ada Puryear, Baronetess of Nova Scotia, b.01/19/1876 Scottsboro, AL = Linnville Andrews Dugger
27. Rosa G. Dugger, Baronetess of Nova Scotia, b.1904, Jackson Co., AL = Wiley Sanford Barnes
28. Ruby Catherine Barnes, Baronetess of Nova Scotia, b.1929 = Dave Franklin Jackson
29. Michael Dave Barnes, Baronet of Nova Scotia, b.1958

As I see it the falsehood and deception on the part of the English and Scottish Monarchs and government towards the family Alexander / MacAlexander in so far as denying us monies and titles owed us gives every descendant of the family Alexander the right (de jure) to the title "Baronet / Baronetess of Nova Scotia." This is the least of the titles and is due us under any normal honorary condition.

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Subject: Post 338 A: John "of Eredy/Eridy" Alexander


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Post 338 A: John "of Eredy/Eridy" Alexander

First some different theories, in Post 337 A: I had stated that Archibald Alexander, born 1708 was born in Ireland. He may have been born in Scotland for some works say he "removed to Ireland with his father, William Alexander."

I have discovered incorrect statements of supposed facts in the work,
'MARYLAND HERALDIC FAMILIES' pg. 60-61. It States that Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling had a younger brother Thomas, born in 1630. This is from who many of the Maryland branch of Alexander's claim descent and also claim to be the most direct descent from Sir William. That seems very odd to me since Sir William was born in 1567. So you're telling me he, Sir William, was 63 years old when his younger brother was born! That's when bullshotometer starts pinging like mad. His, Sir William's, father was born in 1540. So his father was 90 years old when a son was born to him? Come on now!

There are also those try to make John "of Eredy" Alexander a younger brother or nephew of Sir William. John was born in 1587. Sir William, as I stated, was born in 1567, some twenty years earlier. Sound more like a father and son situation to me.

But they say Sir William's son John died about a year before him. Sir William died about 1639 or 1640. But wait, Sir William had a son, Anthony, that nobody ever seems to speak of who died in 1637 or 1638. Could they be confusing the death of Anthony for the death of John?

That information is found of page 74 in the archives of Clan Donald:
ww.archive.org/stream/clandonald20macd/clandonald20macd_djvu.txt

In the text of "Memorials of the Earl of Sterling and the house of Alexander", on Chapter XXVII and page 87 it states Robert Alexander, probably a son of John Alexander of Eredy, had a son, Joseph. Joseph had two son James and Thomas. The remains of James rest in the churchyard of Dromore, county Tyrone "where An alter tombstone to his memory displays the armorial escutcheon of the House of Menstry." This is the line of the Barons of Menstrie or Menstry which is the bloodline associated with the descent of Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Lord of Tullibody, and Baronet of Nova Scotia.

In Patricia Arnold's book: 'ALEXANDER FAMILY IN EUROPE' Archibald Alexander, husband of Elizabeth MacKay/McKay is written as "Archibald Alexander, Baron of Menstrie."
That all seems to me to be some very compelling evidence.

That's all I have time for tonight. On Genealogy, good luck and good hunting.

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Subject: Post 337 A: Clan Alexander, MacAlister, MacDonald


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Post 337 A: Clan Alexander, MacAlister, MacDonald

It may seem strange but all three of these Scottish Clans are the same family. The MacAlisters were the first branch to break away from the large Clan Mac Donald. They claim descent from Alasdair Mor, son of Domhnall founder of Clan Donald. Kintyre was the seat of the Chief of the Clan MacAlister as far back as the 15th century. In the 18th century a Chief of Clan MacAlister, sold the land that was the seat in Kintyre and moved himself and the seat to a lowland Scottish estate.

Traditionally it's stated that Clan MacDonald is from Domhnall, son of Raghnall, son of Somhairle, son of Gille Brighde. As a 12th century leader, Somhairle is styled "King of the Isles" and "King of Argyll".

In the year 1253 Alasdair Mor first appears in records as a witness of a charter by Aonghas Mor a Ile, his brother, for the Abbey of Paisley. I assume that is "Angus Mor of the Isles". Mor in old Scottish is "big".

Tradition has it that Alasdair Mor had at least five sons: Domhnall, Gofraidh, Donnchadh, Eion and Eachann. Domhnall succeeded him. In the 14th century descendants of Alasdair Mor settled in the county of Stirling. The first record of this is when Gilbert de Insula, son of Domhnall, received a charter for lands in that region in 1330.

The family is difficult to trace as there were many brothers who had many sons, that were often named similar or the same names. King James III granted a large amount of land in Kintyre to John, Lord of the Isles, in the year 1481. The Area of Lowb or Loup were among those lands granted.

I am a descendant of Elizabeth Alexander, born October 28th, 1735 in Antrim, Ireland. She married John McClung, born 1731 in Antrim, Northern Ireland, died in 1817 at Rockbridge, Virginia. John McClung can be found in the Sons of the American Revolution, national number 82445 and number 4905 from the application for Frank Lyman Hill dated July 16, 1957. John McClung was a Lieutenant in the American Army of the Revolution.

The line is as such:
John McClung = Elizabeth Alexander
Margaret Mary McClung, b. 1754, Va. = Robert Hood Tate
Aaron Tate, b. 1786, Va. = Elizabeth L. Connelly, b. 1789
Maburn "Dock" Tate, b. 1811 = Delana Killion, b. 1824
Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, b. 1855 = Solomon S. Puryear, b.1847
Mary Ada Puryear, b.1876 AL. = Linnville Andrews Dugger, b.1872
Rosa Grace Dugger, b.1904, AL. = Wiley S. Barnes, b.1902
Ruby Catherine Barnes, 1929 =/= Dave Franklin Jackson, b. 1924
Michael D. Barnes, b. 1958

The parents of Elizabeth Alexander are Archibald Alexander, born 4 Feb. 1708, Ireland; and Margaret Parks, born 31 Jan. 1712, Donegal, Ireland. Both seem to have moved to and died in Virginia. Archibald's parents were William Alexander, born 1686, Manor Cunningham, Donegal, Ireland; and Jane Scott, b. 1681. William Alexander's father was Archibald "of Ballybiglimore" Alexander, b. abt. 1611.

Archibald's parents have been said to be John "of Eredy" Alexander, born abt. 1587, Scotland and Agnes Elizabeth Graham, born about 1580, daughter of Robert Graham of Gartmore, Earl of Strathearn, Menteith and Airth.

Agnes is listed as the daughter-in-law of Sir William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling, Viscount of Canada, Baronet of Nova Scotia. It's known that Sir William had Archibald turn over the Chiefship of Clan Alexander to him.

When young, Sir William was the tutor of Earl of Argyll. Later he became the Gentleman Usher to Prince Charles, son of James VI of Scotland. Prince Charles became Charles I of England in 1625. William was Knighted by King James in 1609. In 1621 King James granted Sir William a royal charter to New Scotland (Nova Scotia) New Brunswick and what is now Long Island, New York. The territory was made a lordship and then a barony. Sir William had made a fortune trading with India and used it to settle Nova Scotia. Also the creation of Baronets of Nova Scotia was used to settle the plantation of those new provinces.

The King of Scots in a peace treaty with France gave Nova Scotia back to the French, costing Sir William a fortune.
The Clan Alexander along with Clan MacArthur raided the Island of Arron taking 12,000 scots pounds worth of goods. No one knows if the raid had been orchestrated by Sir William or not. At any rate he played no part in the raid and stayed in the Kings good graces. The raiders were declared as "rebels" by the King. Two Alexanders were hung for the raid on Arron. Many Alexanders are believed to have fled to Ireland where the Ulster Plantations were being founded. Some to escape the wrath of the King of Scots, Others for the opportunity to settle the lands of Ulster. Still some may have been for both reasons. It's said that many who played no part in the raid thought it best to leave Scotland. Among them may have been several sons of Sir William Alexander, including John "of Eredy" Alexander.

Proof of William Alexander, born 1686, being the son of Archibald "of Ballybiglimore" Alexander is found in:
Chapter XXVI (Chaptee XXVI) of,
ww.archive.org/stream/memorialsofearlo02rogeuoft/memorialsofearlo02rogeuoft_djvu.txt

Please remember to add the third "w" to the address, as this site, voy, will not allow me to post it.

The King of Scots had promised to pay Sir William 10,000 scots pounds. The money was never given to Sir William, his descendants or any of his relatives. In fact it is still owed. If the British Government ever acknowledged any descendants of Sir William Alexander the money would have to be forth coming. In todays market I make it at between $40,000,000 and $400,000,000. But that is only a guess on my part.

"He was promised L 6000, and L 10,000 was actually voted in recompense for his losses in connection with what was really a national enterprise, but neither he nor his successors ever actually received payment"

The above from: "THE ERELS OF STIRLING. 71" ww.archive.org/stream/clandonald20macd/clandonald20macd_djvu.txt

Under the same above address for Clan Donald in Archives on 48 one finds the raid on Arron. On 75 one find the Titles issued to Sir William:

75:
"The Earl of Stirling seems to have been haunted by the apprehension that the honors he had acquired might pass out of the line of his direct descendants to some collateral branch. With the view of preventing such a contingency, he surrendered his titles of Baronet of Nova Scotia, Lord Alexander of Tullibody, Viscount of Canada, and Earl of Stirling into the King's hands shortly before he died. Thereupon the King, by a charter under the Great Seal, of date 7th December , 1639, granted these titles de novo to the heirs male, and failing them to the eldest heirs female. Yet notwithstanding several sons having been born to him, and numerous descendants of later generations having arisen in the male line, by a singular fatality his titles became extinct in less than a century after his death.
Lord Alexander, the Earl's eldest son, did not succeed his father, having pre-deceased him by about a year,..."

Thus goes the line of Alexander, which I am a part of.
What can one say? I guess when a King or Government cheats, and lies there is no consequences as there is for you and I.

Until next time, be safe.
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Post 336 B: Alpin Tree 1.

There has been some disagreement about this line. The information came from Ancestry.com and Geni. We genealogist do on occasion make mistakes and or have disagreements. Thus I will endeavor to post another version of this line. It all goes back to the same people, only in different ways.

An Alpin Tree

1. Alpin, King of Scots, d. 834 A.D.
2. Kenneth MacAlpin, King of Scots, d. 859
3. Constantine, King of Scots, d. 877
4. Donald II, King of Scots, d. 900
5. Malcolm I, King of Scots, d. 954
6. Kenneth II, King of Scots, 990
7. Malcolm II, King of Scots, d. 1034
8. dau. (%), Bethoc = Crinan, lay abbot of Dunkeld, d.1045
9. Duncan I, King of Scots, 1040
10. Malcolm III, (Ceannmor) King of Scots, d.1093=Margaret of Wessex
11. David I, King, d.1153=Matilda, Countess Huntingdon
12. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, d.1152=Ada de Warenne, Countess Surrey
13. David, Earl Huntingdon, d.1219=Maud de Kevilloc, Countess Chester
14. % Esabella, d.1251 = Robert De Bruce, Lord Annandale
15. Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale, d.1295=Isabel de Clare, % of Gilbert
16. Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale, d.1304=Marjorie, % Neil, Earl Carrick
17. Robert I ( The Bruce) King of Scots, d.1329=Isabel, %Donald, Earl Mar
18. Marjorie, d. 316 = Walter, IV High Steward of Scotland
19. Robert II, King of Scots, d.1390 = Elizabeth, % Sir Adam Mure
20. Robert III, King of Scotland, d.1406 = Annabella, % Sir John Drummond
21. James I, King of Scots, 1437 = Joan, % John Beaufort, Earl Somerset
22. James II, King of Scotland, d.1460 = Mary, % Arnold, Duke of Guelders
23. James III, King of Scotland, d.1488 = Margaret, % Christian I, King of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden
24. James IV, King of Scotland, d.1513 -'V- Isabel Stewart, % James Stewart, 1st Earl of Buchan
25. v % Lady Janet Stewart (2. Fleming), 1502-1562 = William Graham, 3rd Earl Menteith, b.1500 Perthshire, Scotland
26. Robert of Gartmore, Graham, b.1522 = Margaret Elizabeth Erskine
27. % Agnes Graham, b.ca.1595 = John of "Eredy/Eridy", Alexander, son of William 1st Earl Stirling
28. Archibald Alexander of Ballybiglimore, b.ca.1611 = uk
29. William Alexander, of Manor Cuninghame, b.1686 = Jean
30. Archibald Alexander, b. Feb. 4, 1708 = Margaret
31. % Elizabeth Alexander, b.10/28/1735 Antrim, Ire. = John McClung
32. % Margaret Mary McClung, b.1755 Henrico, Va. = Robert Hood Tate
33. Aaron Tate, b.1788 Russell Co., Va.=Elizabeth Connelly, b.1789
34. Maburn "Dock" Tate, b.1811 Tenn. = Delana "Delany" Killion, b.1825 Tenn
35. % Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, b.1855, Fort Payne, AL = Solomon S. Puryear, b.1847 Granville, N.C.
36. % Mary Ada Puryear, b.01/19/1876 Scottsboro, AL = Linnville Andrews Dugger, b.1872, son of Hardin G. Dugger
37. % Rosa Grace Dugger, b.05/04/1904 Jackson Co., AL = Wiley Sanford Barnes, b.01/26/1902
38. % Ruby Catherine Barnes, b.08/29/1929 -'V- Dave Franklin Jackson, b.05/06/1925 Ga.
39. v Michael D. Barnes, b.1958, Knight Templar of the York Rite, Scottish Baron Lochaber.

P.S., King Christian I, of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, (father of Margaret, wife of James III), married Dorothea, daughter of John, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach and Barbara of Saxe-Wittenberg. John, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach was the son of Frederick I, Margrave of Brandenburg and Elisabeth of Bavaria-Landshut, Meissen, of The House of Hohenzollern.

(= for married) [% for daughter or daughter of] (d. for died) [b. for born] ('V for mistress of) [v for bastard]

Some web sites: w. archive.org/stream/memorialsofearlo02rogeuoft/memorialsofearlo02rogeuoft_djvu.txt
Memorials of the Earl of Sterling and The House of Alexander: see Vol. II, Ch. XXVI & Vol. II, Ch. XV, pp. 59ff.
http:/landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2013/09/78/-alexander-familiesof-ireland-and.html
w.michaelnestor.com/conley/conleydc.html
http:/freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thomaspaxtonjr/Paxton/Paxton%20Family%20Ties%20IV.html

A thousand pardons, this site, voy, will not allow me to put the entire addresses on this site you will have to fill them in yourself. Add the second forward slash to the http and the three w's to the ww sites.

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Subject: Post 336 A: A Royal Scottish Line


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Post 336 A: A Royal Scottish Line


1. Alpin, King of Scots, died (d.) 834 A.D.
2. Kenneth MacAlpin, King, d. 859
3. Constantine, King of Scots, d. 877
4. Donald II, King of Scots, d. 900
5. Malcolm I, King of Scots, d. 954
6. Kenneth II, King of Scots, d. 990
7. Malcolm II, King of Scots, d. 1034
8. dau. (%) Bethoc = Crinan, lay abbot of Dunkeld, d.1045
9. Duncan I, King of Scots, 1040
10. Malcolm III, (Ceannmor) King,d.1093 = Margaret of Wessex
11. David I, King, d.1153 = Matilda, Countess Huntingdon
12. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, d.1152 = Ada de Warenne, Countess Surrey.
13. David, Earl of Huntingdon, d. 1219 = Maud de Kevilloc, Countess Chester.
14. % Isabella, d.1251 = Robert De Bruce, Lord Annandale
15. Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale, d.1295 = Isabel de Clare, % of Gilbert
16. Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale, d.1304 = Marjorie, % Neil, Earl of Carrick
17. Robert I (The Bruce) King of Scots, d.1329 = Isabel, % Donald, Earl of Mar
18. % Marjorie, d.1316 = Walter, IV High Steward of Scotland
19. Robert II, King of Scots, d.1390 = Elizabeth, % Sir Adam Mure
20. Robert III, King of Scotland, d.1406 = Annabella, % Sir John Drummond
21. James I, King of Scotland, 1437 = Joan, % John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset
22. James II, King of Scotland, d.1460 = Mary, % Arnold, Duke of Guelders
23. James III, King of Scotland, d.1488 = Margaret, % Christian I, King of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.
24. James IV, King of Scotland, d.1513 -'V- Isabel Stewart of Buchan, % James Stewart, 1st Earl of Buchan.
25. v % Lady Janet Stewart, 1502-1562 = Malcolm Fleming, 3rd Lord Fleming.
26. % Margaret Fleming, b. ca.1528 = Sir Thomas Erskine, Lord Brechin
27. % Margaret Elizabeth Erskine, b.1570 = Robert of Gartmore, Graham.
28. % Agnes Graham, b. ca.1595 = John "Eredy/Eridy" Alexander, son of William Alexander, 1st Earl of Stirling.
29. Archibald Alexander of Ballybiglimore, b.ca.1611 = uk
30. William Alexander, of Manor Cuninghame, b.1686 = Jean
31. Archibald Alexander, b. Feb. 4, 1708 = Margaret
32. % Elizabeth Alexander, b.10/28/1735 Antrim, Ire. = John McClung.
33. % Margaret Mary McClung, b.1755 Henrico, Va. = Robert Hood Tate.
34. Aaron Tate, b.1788 Russell Co., Va. = Elizabeth Connelly, b.1789
35. Maburn "Dock" Tate, b.1811 Tenn. = Delana "Delany' Killion, b.1825 Tenn.
36. % Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, b.1855, Ft. Payne, AL = Solomon S. Puryear, b.1847 Granville, N.C.
37. % Mary Ada Puryear, b. 01/19/1876 Scottsboro, AL = Linnville Andrews Dugger, b.1872, son of Hardin G. Dugger
38. % Rosa Grace Dugger, b. 05/04/1904 Jackson Co., AL = Wiley Sanford Barnes, b. 01/26/1902
39. % Ruby Catherine Barnes, b. 08/29/1929 -'V- Dave Franklin Jackson, b. 05/06/1925, s. of Charles Wm. Jackson
40. Sir Michael D. Barnes, b. 1958, Knight Templar of the York Rite, Scottish Baron Lochaber.

P.S., King Christian I, of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, (father of Margaret, wife of James III), married Dorothea, daughter of John, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmback and Barbara of Saxe-Wittenberg. John, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach was the son of Frederick I, Margrave of Brandenburg and Elisabeth of Bavaria-Landshut, Meissen of The House of Hohenzollern.

(= for married) [% for daughter, or daughter of] (d. for died) [b. for born] (s. for son, or son of) [ 'V for mistress of] (v for bastard)

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Subject: Post 335 A: My Wed Site, 40560


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Post 335 A: My Web Site, 40560


Hello, this in case you haven't figured it out is my web site. You have the right to come here and argue intelligently your point with me.

However, here lately I found a lot of garbage posts on my back page, where things get approved, or not.

I will not approve one line snide comments. Nor will I approve advertisements of any kind. What will happen is I will ban your IP address.

If you don't like my web page, why are you here? I'm sure you have something better to do with your time, like say joining the Tea Party or the Black Panthers. Or maybe, if you are the person who put that bunch of trash on my page, something someone like you would find relaxing, like stoning kittens to death!

I know if I'm watching a program or movie and I don't like it I change the channel. I don't download a virus on the networks computer, set the production building on fire or attempt to assassinate the actors!

I was watching the movie Thor here recently, that is until I saw that a black guy had been cast for the roll of the Norse God Odin. I thought to myself "how panderingly stupid can they be!" Anyone who knows the slightest bit of Norse mythology knows just how wrong that is. If you don't agree imagine Bill Murry playing the roll of Martin Luther King. Doesn't work well, does it.

The kind of garbage I that had been put on my forum site was in the same caliber as that one would expect from a playground bully.

GROW THE HELL UP!

I had Caucasian history and, lets face it, Caucasian hating liberals accusing me of being a right-wing Nazi bigot. I also had right-winger Tea Bagger nut cases accusing me of being a left-wing pansy liberal.

I figure as long as I'm pissing both sides off I right where I should be.

There are two people I have absolutely no time for:
1. Stu. Pidhonkey, and
2. Stu. Pidnegro.

And Yes, I have a Kilt. It's part of my heritage. I'm not a cross dresser. If you're so stupid that you think that's what a Kilt means, then you have a serious I.Q. deficiency. If you wish to see me in my Kilt I have a site on MyHeritage. com

A Kilt was an ancient Scotsman's bedding and blanket. They were drovers herding cattle or sheep. And far afield from home much of the time.

To those of you who have supported me all this time in my efforts and search for what little truth I've been able to find, Thank you so much. I want you to know that this post is not aimed at you. In truth, I can nothing without you.

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Subject: Post 265 A: I make copies of posts, including 117 A:


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Post 265 A: I make copies of posts, including 117 A:

I have noticed post 117 A: is missing. I make copies, both paper and on memory sticks, of all my posts. So, if anyone is even thinking of publishing my "Great Wash" theory before me; think again!

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Subject: Post 334 A: Asmirtsayart


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Post 334A: ASMIRTSAYART

The Pauline Cult

Paul, Saul of Tarsus, alone was responsible for the emergence of a new religion which would be destine to become a rival and adversary to Judaism. Paul was sent by James, at that time the Head of the Church, back to his home town of Tarsus to teach and preach. Paul, having been taught the first level and thinking he knew the all, goes on his own cognition throughout the Roman world teaching his own personal brand of the new religion. What little Judaism it contained underwent a metamorphosis of change, being fused with Roman and Greek thought and pagan traditions.

The greater part of the new religion included elements of Egyptian, Sumerian and Phoenician mystery schools. As Paul's new cult crystallized into its own form of new religion, separate from its original Judaic roots, (itself having barrowed from the above mystery schools), it included certain priorities never received in Jesus's lifetime, of which he most likely would not have approved.

The new Paulinic religion was destine to compete with old established religions. In order to gain a foothold the posthumous Jesus had to assume a certain degree of godhood.
His assumed powers had to be compatible and or comparable to or with that of the older gods he intended to replace. Jesus was to take on to himself the powers of Tammuz, for example, who had been born of a virgin, had died from a wound in his side, and after three days arose from his tomb. He also left the tomb empty with a rock at the entrance rolled aside.

The history of Tammuz had to be grafted on to the story of Jesus in order for Jesus to replace him in the mind of the followers of Tammuz. The center of the Tammuz cult was none other than Bethlehem, the city of David. Traditions surrounding Attis, Adonis, Dionysos, Tammuz and Zoroaster can be traced to elements specific to the origins of the Gospels. Many require earth born fleshly gods to be born of a god and a virgin.

The Sanskrit Mitra (Vedic) dates to 1400 B.C., thought to be a portion of the Zoroastrian religion. It's believe by some to be an early form of the later Mithras.

In the Mithras cult it's said he was born in a grotto or cave, where he was regaled with gifts from shepherds. Mithraism also has a tradition of an apocalypse, a day of Judgement, resurrection, and a second coming of Mithras. Mithras in a final battle will then defeat the forces of evil. Baptism and the communal meal was a prominent part of the Mithraic cult. It's interesting that in the Mithraic version of the communion it is stated:

'He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.'

It seems Jesus would have to be made to compete, posthumously, with the older gods miracle for miracle. Jesus, having been executed as a criminal under Roman Law, also had to be made respectable to Romans. Romans engendered much hostility towards Jews following the Jewish uprising of A.D. 66. Any religion containing elements of Hebrew Messianic nationalism or identity would have been doomed to failure. Thus any and all elements of it were sweep from the books that would become the New Testament. Thus responsibility for Jesus's death was placed squarely on the shoulders of the Jews. No doubt the Sadducee, operating under Roman authority, was partially to blame. But the Jewish populace was Jesus's greatest supporters. The move by the new Church of Paul did encourage Roman support by making the Jews convenient demonized scapegoats.

By all rights Jesus's close followers would have been considered by Rome to be revolutionaries, actively attempting to break Roman control over Palestine.

Jesus himself was conveniently transformed into a non-political, supernatural, magical, ethereal, spiritual, other-worldly figure. Making him completely divorced from the world of the material, of pain, of suffering, of hunger, of oppression, of work, of marriage, of children (descendants). Thus Jesus became no threat to any leader, ruler, emperor, Caesar, business man, or business interest. The only issue the Caesars had with Jesus was that they felt they should have been worshiped instead. As it still stands today, ['sometimes I think that preacher-man would like to do a little walkin' too.'] - teltalheart

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Subject: Post 248 A: Three thing that can't be hidden; the sun, the moon and the truth.


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Post 248 A: "There are three things that can not be hidden; the sun, the moon and the truth." - Buddha

It should have been, 'There are three things that cannot be hidden for long.' This because Christianity, particularly the Catholic Church, has done a great job at hiding the truth about Jesus. The New Testament, probably penned by Paul (Saul of Tarsus) turned a man and the probable eldest son of the genetic King of Judaea, Joseph Son (descendant) of David, into a God. His Godhood was voted into being at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

One truth that has recently come into light is the fact several mediaeval scholars, including Historian Dr. Louise Yoeman have recently stated that the Knight Templar connection between the St. Clair/Sinclair family is false (Rosslyn Chapel - Wikipedia, Page 5 of 8). In fact it was found that the ancestors of William Sinclair testified against the Templars when they were put on trial in Edinburgh in 1309.

Oh how embarrassing this must be for all those writers who have written all those books, and one major motion picture, touting the Sinclair descendancy from the Knight Templars and the Holy Grail. Backed the wrong horse did you, guys!

So what do we get? We get someone like Laurence Gardner who tries to save some sense of credibility for his work by hedging his bets and using information from my web site (www.voy.com/40560/) just in case the Sinclairs turn out to NOT be who Pierre Plantard, who had at one time call himself "de Saint - Clair" (Book: Holy Blood, Holy Grail), and the Sinclairs themselves said they were; descendants of Jesus Christ and the Holy Grail bloodline. Geez, now I wonder who that leaves?

Me thinks some Managing Editors of certain monthly periodicals thinks me arrogant!
All new ideas and even new people who appear on the scene in this play we call life are at one point told to "SHUT UP, and SIT DOWN!" This is usually from those who have a vested interest, usually financial, in keeping things as they are - no matter how bad the situation might be.
Should a Royal Prince or King, dressed in beggars clothes - without so much as a coin in his pocket and pushed to the back of the audience, watch quietly as his footman, butler and steward are regaled with jewels, coinage, estates, titles, and coronets? Should I hide my light under a cabbage leaf or corn husk?

I think, NO!

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Subject: Post 189 it becoms a thoroned monarch better than his crown


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Post 189: "...it becomes a throned monarch better than his crown..."

I have been surfing the waves around the net here lately and find the world to be a weird, strange, and perverted place. It never ceases to stun me. I don't know why, at my age not much should. Still, the world always seems to.

I've been watching the latest distraction from the pilfering from the United States coffers and thereby the pockets of John Q Public, you and me, which is of course the Don Imus incident. If what they're angry about is being call "HOs" (whores), and it's seen fit to strip Imus of his First Amendment Rights, then by all means let Imus be fired, but, and this, ladies is a BIG BUTT, let us take the opposite approch as well. As in a court of law, let a polygraph operator and his machine be called in, these women hooked up to it and asked questions about their sexual pasts, just to see if they really are whores. I can guess the answers will be shocking.

Any polygraph operator will tell you, women admit to, at least, twice as many sexual encounters when hooked up to the machine as they had admitted to previously to their boy friend or husband. It seems some women lie with complete abandon, when they can get away with it.

In my era, in my America, there was this idea of a strange little thing that was instilled in some of us called "Honor", an idea of right and wrong.
I have made mistakes in my time, but, I have the good graces to admit to them and be ashamed of them.
It just seems to me that most women are ashamed of nothing.

As a guy, and I have spoken to many guys about this and, we have come to the conclusion that:
A. Ten percent of woman are lesbians or, are closet bisexual freaks.
B. About sixty to seventy percent of women are whores. This according to the biblical discription of a 'whore'.
C. Last but not least, about twenty percent of women, that's two out of ten, are worthwhile human beings.

Why has the world become such a perverted place, without morals or standards?

During WWII the group of wealth individuals who, basiclly, own and run this world saw that women could indeed work. "What a great idea", they thought, "we can slowly increase inflation to the point where women are forced to leave the home and find work, this will double our net worth right off the bat and, this will also have the added advantage of putting these wives and mother into situations where they can be coerced, cajoled, threatened and down right forced into preforming sexual acts. And, once there's video or pictures of them preforming these acts on a room full of supervisors we know we have them in a grip they can never get out of, and they'll then be virturally sex slaves."
"We will also have the added bonus of them not being at home to raise their children, or their bosses children whom the became pregnant by, and being able to instill morals into their children and, we hope especially their daughters. This will leave their daughters, we hope, with morals and direction little more then that of a street whore, making them easy targets for sexual coercion and abuse."
"We can also introduce drugs which will further demoralize the nation while at the same time saying we have a war on drugs. It will both make us even richer while running the nations morals down into a quagmire of filth."
"Let us add to that politicians that we will select and handle with handlers that will tell the public that they are for them then, turn around and take the entire tax burden off the wealth class, our class, and put the entire tax burden on the middle class and the poor where it belongs, on those damn bunch of maggots." Well, that, in my opinion, is how I see it.

What should you do, my friends? Learn the truth. Try to treat each other with kindness and understanding. That to even include Imus, even though he's not one of the poor common, like us. Remember, the rich don't give a tinker's damn about us. We're all we've got. And, by the way, if Al Sharpton is a Reverend then I'm the big bad wolf off of little red riding hood. If you're going to use his title then use all of mine.

'The quality of mercy is not strain'd, It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven Upon the place beneath:' - William Shakespeare (Saxeby,Sacespee,Shakkesby,Sasby/Pirariis,Perers,Perriers, Puryears)
teltalheart/moderator, a.k.a. The Rev. Sir Michael, Lord Barnes.
Well that's all for now. End Post 189: www.voy.com/40560/

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Subject: Post 301 A: Clan MacGregor; Archibald MacGregor


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Post 301 A: Clan MacGregor; Archibald MacGregor

Archibald MacGregor, born 1720 in Scotland; died 1758 probably in North Carolina. He married Edith Effie MacAlpin, who was born in Scotland in 1724/25, died in North Carolina.

On April 6th, 1746, the Battle of Culloden was fought between 9,000 British Redcoats and 5,000 weak and starving Scottish patriots, amoung them (Henry) MacAlpin, father of Edith MacAlpin, and Archibald MacGregor, son-in-law of (Henry) and husband of Edith. This, the last battle of the "Forty-five rebellion". The Scots were led by "Bonnie Prince Charlie", Prince Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Severino Maria Stuart, a.k.a. Charles III. The British were led by William Augustus, Duke of Cumberland. The battle lasted only forty minutes and was a complete rout of the Scots. Only fifty Redcoats were killed as opposed to 1,000 Scotsmen. Amoung the dead was (Henry) MacAlpin. Archibald survived the battle and was not captured. History teaches that in the following five months, a massive manhunt was conducted throughout Scotland for the remaining patroits. It has been speculated that during this time, Archibald and Edith MacGregor escaped Scotland and set sail for America.

This information was originally taken from: www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyfloyd/familyfiles/randallblair.html

As shown in post 270 A:, Archibald and Edith MacAlpin are my ancestors through their daughter Ann MacGregor, born Feb. 04, 1756 in North Carolina and died before 1830 in Oil Springs, Kentucky. She, Ann, married Captain Henry Connelly (Conley) in North Carolina in Guilford County. Their daughter was Elizabeth L. Connelly (Conley), who married Aaron Tate. They had several children, amoung them Maburn Tate, born 1811. He married Delanna (Delany) Killian [daughter on Daniel Killian and Mary Elizabeth Magdalena Bost] in Fort Payne, DeKalb County, Alabama. One of their children was Elizabeth (Betty) Tate who married Solomon S. Puryear. The eldest of their four daughters was Mary Ada Puryear who was born in Scottsboro, Jackson County, Alabama on December 19, 1876. Mary Ada married Linnville Andrews Dugger of Sweetwater, Tennessee. The eldest of their three children was Rosa Grace Dugger. Rosa married Wiley Sanford Barnes. Rosa and Wiley are the parents of my mother, Ruby Cathrine Barnes.

I had originally wrote this Post 301 on 02/09/12 at 01:50:40. But I had made an error on that earlier Post. I was 'bloging tired' at the time.

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Subject: Post 290 A: The Great Serpent as God


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Post 290 A: The Great Serpent as God.

It is from an Arabic tradition that we get this idea of a serpent as a deceiver. This is the tradition we find in the Judaic Old Testement Bible. This lie has been played out many times. More recently this old lie has been played out in the tales of Harry Potter.

You should notice J.K. Rowling based the idea of Voldemort and and his evil organization of the Nazi party of pre 1945 Germany, which was led by Adolf Hitler. Voldemort's great snake is white. This when every person of the country or rural class knows 98.9% of all snakes are black, brown or green. But, to make the snake black or brown would suggest something else altogether. Voldemort himself is a character who is deathly pale white with almost no nose. As if to be white and have a small or petit nose is a bad thing. It seems perjudice still lives and reigns supreme. It seems it's ok to be prejudice, just as long as you're prejudice against Caucasians!

IN ANCIENT TIMES:
The snake was thought of as the very representative of God. The snake, unlike any other creature with the exception of the scarab beetle (Khepri), would be reborn into a new life, or at least a new skin. The snake was the earliest symbol of what Jesus would much later on come to represent; REBIRTH. Snake skins were found in the burial mounds of Dilmun. They were placed there in hope of the rebirth into a new life for the dead.

The mythological serpent comes in three forms.
(1.)The Dragon, with venom of a fiery quality in Greek it is known as Ladon and is coiled around the tree in garden of the Hesperides protecting the entheogenic golden apples, and in the Norse as Nidhogg Nagar. In Old English: wyrm, Old High Greman: wurm, Old Norse: ormr, also Old English: draca, OHG: trahho, Old Norse: dreki. The Aztec and Toltec serpent god was Quetzalcoatl who also had dragon like wings.

(2.) The Sea serpent, such as the Leviathan or lake creatures such as the Loch Ness Monster.

(3.) The Cosmic serpent, such as the Ourobouros. It forms a ring with its tail in its mouth. It is the symbol of the "All-in-All" ergo infinity, totality and the cyclical nature of the cosmos. Some ancient text refer to the Milky Way as the 'Serpent of Light' that resides in the heavens. In ancient Egypt the self-begetting sun god Atum is said to have ascended from the waters of chaos in the appearance of a great snake. They believed the snake renewed itself every morning. They had hopes of the dead turning into the shape of the snake Sato (son of the earth), the embodiment of Atum.

Jormungandr in Norse mythology is the World or Midgard serpent that encircles the world's ocean abyss biting its own tail and eating from the roots of Yggdrasil, the World Tree, as does Nidhogg Nagar.

Lord Vishnu sleeps while floating on the cosmic waters upon the back of the endless serpent Shesha, in Hindu mythology. In Buddhism there is the great snake king Mucalinda who rose up from beneath the earth when a storm arose, enveloping the Buddha in seven coils for seven days so he would not break his ecstatic state.

In Mayan culture the Vision Serpent is a symbol of rebirth. The serpent is found in the center axis atop the World Tree. It has fueled some cross-Atlantic cultural contexts favored in what some term to be "pseudoarchaeology".

To this end I offer the following. Cihuacoatl (The Lady of the serpent) and Mixcoatl (Cloud Serpent) were the father and mother of Quetzatcoatl. If there is some connection between Egypt and South and Central American Indians might Mixcoatl, as in "Mix" and "coat" have anything to do with Joseph of the Coat of Many Colors? It's just a thought.

Also the Norse carved the head of a Dragon for the bow of their long ships. Might the Dragon or Long Dragon have anything to do with something they saw in the sky? Might it have anything to do with a flying craft such as the one described as a pillar covered with fire and smoke that led Moses (Akhenaten) out of Egypt?

From the earliest times ancient peoples have know the properties of a snakes venom could kill or cure. Ophiuchus was the forgotten or slighted thirteenth symbol of the zodiac, the Snake-Handler. Ophiuchus represents the healer Asclepius. Obvious isn't it; she does not represent "traditional medicine" and she bypasses the pockets of the greedy and the corrupt.

Well, that's all I have time for tonight.
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Post 311 A: Greed Incarnate


A full scale sell off of the American political system is under way with the influence of foreign money and perhaps money from the Mexican Drug Cartel and the Russian Mafia in this presidential election.
Mit Romney has raised about three times as much money as President Obama. As I understand it, Romney raised $180,000,000, some say in one day alone.
One can only guess how much of this money is coming from corporations that have moved to Communist China.
Even not to mention India, South Korea and Mexico, or the twisted kleptocratic governments that run these countries.
The sell off of the United States of America's political system to the highest bidder is not just the illegal funding of a presidential campaign, this according to how the original founding fathers had worded the Constitution, but is the selling of the American worker/citizen into a form of slavery.

When foreign money buys American Elections and American presidents have to check with their foreign investors before making a decision such as to veto a bill or not, then American power and influence around the globe is bought by the highest bidder.
Here is where and when Americans then no longer own their own political process. The American public are reduced to proxy citizens of a foreign government, puppets.

This foreign government may decide it does not like what you say about it on the internet.
It may decide not only to track your movements on the internet, it may have its bought American president back bills that will censer your internet free speech, particularly about itself.
Literally after they silence internet free speech, how long will it be until they silence general public free speech?
It's already a fact that corporate backed Supreme Court Justices of the past have ruled that free speech of American citizens while in the work place is eliminated altogether.

I wonder, since when did we, the people, vote on limiting our own free speech? I don't recall that. It seems that with each passing year our civil liberties are being stripped from us.
The culprit behind it seems to Big Corporate Business. Thus Big Business, the Republican side, is truly at odds with American freedom and civil liberties.
Roughly put, the loss of control by the American people over its own political process effectively causes it to be an owned, ergo enslaved, entity of its greatest and most enduring master/owner, China.

Should the United States consider in the future the possibility of breaking away from its new master/owner. Truthfully one should consider what China has been doing with its new found great wealth, besides building up its infrastructure. 20,5,12,20,1,12,8,5,1,18,20. China has been increasing its military power by leaps and bounds. It said to have a Tank that just might outclass Americas best. It might be considered that just like Briton did with the American Colonies in 1776 and the Northern American States did with the Southern American States in 1861, China might take action to stop the United States from attempting to leave its sphere of influence and control. I can envision a third world war. But this time who will be there to stand with us? Who can afford not to, that prefers freedom?

One has to wonder what those in Congress who pushed for and voted for the signing of NAFTA, GATT, and applauded the American entanglement with Communist China were thinking. Or was it like usual? They were thinking with their wallets as they watched their personal fortune grow from money China had just a short while earlier printed up. The same goes for those Congressmen/women who voted for CAFTA, and TPP. It is interesting, is it not, that Richard Nixon both took the United States off the gold standard and visited China, opening up China to the west?

It seems China found the ugly truth about the west, perhaps from Nixon himself. When a nation does not have gold to back its currency it leaves open the possibility for another nation, such as China, who values military power over paper money to print up truly worthless money without restraint and claim it has value. After all, who is to check? A sovereign nation has a sovereign power over its own currency.

This brings up the power and subject of legitimacy vs. illegitimacy and who has a sovereign right. In the days of all powerful monarchy a sovereign would give a group of people who were willing to back a venture financially or otherwise a corporate charter. It would be strictly limited within precise and narrow tasks. There were great limits on corporate power. They corporation was subordinate to the sovereign. If the corporation went beyond the charter they would be called before the sovereign to answer for their actions. They would then, most likely, have their corporate charter canceled by the sovereign. A corporation can not exercise the power and authority of governance. It is not a sovereign entity. We the people are, or are supposed to be, the sovereign in the United States. When the United States Supreme Court gave the right of personhood and made money the equal of speech the turned the sovereignty on its head. Thus the Republican majority Supreme Court has given the corporations the right to free speech on corporate property. You and I have been denied free speech.

If money is speech those who have the most money, corporations, can shout down those who have little money and are having less money every year, a.k.a. the public. Shouting others down is something Republicans enjoy doing. What else would you expect from a bully?

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission:

U.S. Supreme Court Case, 558 U.S. 50 (2010)
"The Court held that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting independent political expenditures by corporation and unions." Now I ask you, who has more money, corporations or unions? The answer, unless you live under a rock or in the Republican world, is corporation - by an extremely wide margin. And you know the Court had to have known this. Thus they have rigged the game so that they win.

The majority argued... "it is not up to the legislatures or the courts to create a sense of 'fairness' by restricting speech."
The Republican Justices decided they have no sense or ability to judge. Which is odd for a justice not to be able to judge.

"...the majority did not believe that reliable evidence substantiated the risk of corruption or the appearance of corruption, and so this rationale did not satisfy strict scrutiny."

Justice Stevens Dissent:
The dissent argued that the Court's ruling "threatens to undermine the integrity of elected institutions across the Nation."..."A democracy cannot function effectively when its constituent members believe laws are being bought and sold."... "the improper use of money to influence the result [of an election] is to deny to the nation in a vital particular the power of self protection." Burroughs v. United States, 290 U.S. 534 (1934). - Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission information is from Wikipedia.

The Supreme Court has been used as a tool of corporate wealth in the last 150 years. Classic plutocracy has now strongly emerged in the United States. It's enforced by convenient pseudo-scientific ideology. Their ideology is to deny that "society" even exists. Margaret Thatcher said in 1987 "there is no such thing as society." Therefore "the people" don't exist. If the people do not exist rich evil bastards can do whatever they wish. It's a way of denying personhood to the individual the same way as in the distant past a slave was considered a "non-person." Thus Today in America four hundred (400) of the wealthiest people have as much wealth as one hundred million (100,000,000) Americans. Wall Street CEO's in 2010 received bonuses of 90 billion dollars. Greater than the GDP of twenty-three countries. Six members of the Walton family are wealthier than the same 100,000,000 Americans. The Koch brothers, the greatest financial backers of Citizens United, are said to be planing to spend one billion dollars ($1,000,000,000) in Carl Rove's organization to defeat President Obama.

The lobby of the wealthiest corporations wants taxes on capital gains to be eliminated altogether. The idea is that it will create more corporate profit thus creating more jobs. But corporation have had record profits! Then why have they not created more jobs?

There is no sound moral, religious, or economic reason why taxes on capital (capital gains) should be less than taxes on labor. What is the inherent dignity of managing investments as compared to the inherent dignity of protecting the public (police) or teaching children (teacher) or tending the sick (nurse)? Yet this tax system comes from years of million dollar lobbing of congress on behalf of corporations. This is why Warren Buffet pays less than his secretary in taxes. It's also the reason Mit Romney pays 14.9% in taxes as compared you and I who pay 20% to 25% in taxes.

Democracy is founded on values, and high regard for the common good. This mores so than any constitution. When corruption rules there is no values. A criminal values nothing but power. In study after study it's huge wealth disparity as the root cause of poverty. The result in the public is rage, helplessness, cynicism and mistrust. Mistrust causes the public not to participate in the political process. Mistrust breeds hostility to the government and causes individuals to give up on life or on their ability to make a difference.

What is needed is a Constitutional Amendment that corporations are not people and money is not speech.

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Subject: Post 327 A: Are you a descendant of Charlemagne


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Post 327 A: Are you a descendant of Charlemagne


From: sandwalk.blogpot.com/2009/10/are-you-descendant-of-Charlemagne.html

I would have added an (http colon foreword slash, foreword slash) to that but this site (voy) is having a tough time dealing with that.

Article:
"It may seem like a ridiculous question to ask whether you are a descendant of Charlemagne, who was crowned Emperor on December 25, 800. If you live in Asia or Africa, or your ancestors are from Asia or Africa, then you are probably not a descendant of Charlemagne.

But if any of your ancestors lived in Europe, especially western Europe, then it's almost certain Charlemagne is one of your ancestors. No matter where your ancestors are from they probably share a common ancestor with everyone else from that region. What's surprising is that many of those common ancestors lived only 1200 years ago."

This, of course, makes everyone of European ancestry, especially western European ancestry, of Royal Blood.

I took the first page, one of nineteen, to work with me. I work for the state of Alabama. I read the above first page aloud to a friend. There is nothing in it to give offence to anyone. I would have thought those who do not share this European heritage would be happy for those who do. Well that's what I and anyone who is reasonable would think. But apparently not, someone of African descent overheard me and called me a "racist"!

I wonder, since when do Black people have to be included in everything? Let's face it, there's some things neither the government nor the NAACP can get them! European ancestry just happens to be one of those things.

I cannot claim to be a descendent Genghis Khan, Mongol ruler of the largest empires in world history, because I'm not Chinese or in any descent Asian or even American Indian that I have been able to find. Perhaps Genghis Cohen, but not Genghis Khan. My genealogy is European and apparently near eastern. That may be Hebrew or it may be from Vikings selling women caught from the Black Sea region as slaves to homes, families and Vikings in Norway and Sweden. This J2b1b DNA finding its way to Ireland with the women, wives and daughters, of the Vikings.

On the internet I did find, however, a Mary Klein, 1717-1738, daughter of Moriz Klein, abt. 1685, and his wife Anna Catherina Marzloff, b. before 1695. She was wife of J.W. Bast. Whether she is an ancestor at this point is hard to tell.

White people, a.k.a. Caucasian, feel strongly about their, our, ancestry, heritage and genealogy. One might say ownership of our heritage is our "N" word. If one choses Charlemagne as a benchmark for royalty would mean the more European DNA, a.k.a. ancestry, one has the more royal they are.

It's odd how some ignorant people banter around the term "racist" like a child who has found its father's loaded gun; destroying everything in sight. Or at least trying to. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who cannot understand how we descendants of European ancestors feel about our ancestry is a niggardly type of person.

niggard [ME, of Scand origin; akin to ON hnoggr niggardly; akin to L cinis ashes - more at INCINERATE] : a meanly covetous and stingy person : MISER - niggard adj.

niggard.ly /-le/adj 1 : grudgingly mean about spending or granting 2 : provided in meanly limited supply. - Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1978).

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Subject: Post 310 A: Notes on this and that: section 1


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Post 310 A: Notes on this and that: section 1

Well, I see someone is interested in post 283 A:, when I was searching for a hint of my father's side of my Jackson genealogy. If they would look at Post 287 A: they would find the truth that I found. My grand father Charles William Jackson was either the son of Charles A. Jackson, born 1872 in England, or Charles Franklin Jackson, born abt. 1868, whom I am still searching for. Records state Charles F. Jackson was born in Plain Dealing, Louisiana. The family may haved moved to Hillsboro, Hill County, Tennessee. Charles F. Jackson's spouse was Susie Osborne.


At present I'm in a quandary. I'll put in a name in the search engine on werelate.org, a name I myself have written about on that site, and it will come up 'no documents found'. I ask myself "now how the hell can that be?" Can these people who run that site be that inept? Or have the Chinese Government, or some rightwing republican what-a-be nut case who doesn't understand what's going on decided in his/her delusional state that any evidence of me or my ancestors existance be wiped out?

By the way, if you don't have a yearly family income of $250,000 or more, and assets of $1,000,000 or more and you still vote Republican. You are a Republican want-a-be. You are 98.9% likely to be a Republican never-will-be. And they, the wealthy, will plow you and your family under along with the rest of us.

You see it is not necessarily Republican vs. Democrat and it never was. It's the very rich vs. the middle class and the poor. With the selloff of American factories to China, India, South Korea and Mexico, from which the wealthy benefited greatly. A very large chunk of the American Middle Class has become the American Lower Middle Class and the Poor. What the Democrats in Washington do much of the time that is seemingly to protect the Middle Class and the Poor is a show. And the Republican pundits and right-wing talk show venom spewing hosts will throw a temper tantrum about it as a show for their mouth breathing audience of Hillbillies.

As George Carlin said, "you're real choices in this country are paper or plastic, smoking or non-smoking. You don't have any real choices anymore!"

And NO, Bill Maher will never be a replacement for George Carlin. Not in your wildest dreams.

Starting around 1947 the wealthy begain mounting an all-out attack on the Middle Class and it has never stopped. 20,5,12,20,1,12,8,5,1,18,20. They have almost completed their goal of driving the Middle Class into poverty. We call it the "Middle Class," but that term has been stretched into infinity. The truth is about 50% of Americans are in poverty. This all thanks to the Wealthy One Percent who just have to have more, and more, and more.

To complete my thoughts on money from Post 309 A:, every currency from every nation has serial number on it. While numbers are not finite, money is. The more paper money you create the less it's worth. Money used to be backed up by gold until Richard Nixon took us off the Gold Standard. However, Gold is still the object by which paper money is judged in worth. The idea that U.S. currency is based on faith is a fallacy. It's no more based on faith than a Republican Politicians comment on their belief in God. What a politician, all politicians, worship is power. Always has been, always will be!

Also, when any new product comes on the market it takes money away from an older product that is going by the wayside. Have you bought and buggy wheels lately? No, not the kind for your horseless carriage.

There is a limited amount of wealth. When the Super-Rich have more, everybody else has less. That, my dear readers, is a fact.

This time I guess I will hold my nose and vote for Obama. Ho! if we only had a true third party. If we only had a Working Man and Woman's Party! Nether of the two parties we have now fit the bill.

The Republicans will jump around and say "it sounds like a communist party to me!" Really, as opposed to what? The Rich Fat Bastards Party? It's interesting that when a union is trying to move into a factory or office building etc., the Republicans call it "communism". This when the American factories were shut down and moved to a communist country. Yes! China is a communist country! The Republicans didn't mind that move. As a matter of fact the signing of NAFTA and GATT was what the Republican party called "the only good thing Bill Clinton did in office".

By the way, the Chinese Government does not allow trade union to exist in it's communist paradise.

End Post 310 A: teltalheart is Michael D. Barnes of Scottsboro, Alamama. Just in case you're interested!

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Subject: Post 332 A: A Norse Line


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Post 332 A: A Norse Line

1. Seth b.150 B.C.
2. Bedwig b. 128 BC
3. Hwala b. 106 BC
4. Hathra b. 85 BC
5. Itermon b. 63 BC
6. Heremod b. 40 BC
7. Sceldwea b. 20 BC
8. Beaw (Beowulf) b. 04 BC
9. Taetwa b. 25 AD
10. Geat b. 48
11. Godwulf b. 70
12. Finn b. 100
13. Frethuwulf b. 130
14. Frealaf (Frealof) b. 160
15. Frithuwald b. 185
16. Odinn (Woden) b. 210
17. Njord Odinnsson (Baeldaeg) b. 228
18. Yngve Frey (Brond) b. 242
19. Fjolner Yngve Freysson (Gewis) b. 261
20. Sveigthir Fjolnarsson (Elese) b. 282
21. Vanlanddi Sveigdasson (Cerdic) b. 300
22. Visbur Vanlandasson (Creoda) b. 319
23. Domaldi Visbursson (Cynric) b. 340
24. Domar Domaldasson (Ceawlin) b. 361
25. Dyggvi Domarsson (Cuthwine) b. 382
26. Dag Dyggvasson (Cuthwulf) b. 403
27. Agni Dagsson (Ceolwald) b. 424
28. Alrek Agnasson (Ingild) b. 445
29. Yngvi Alreksson (Eoppa) b. 466
30. Jorund Yngvasson (Eafa) b. 487
31. Aun Jorundsson (Elhmund) b. 508
32. Egil Aunsson (Egbert) b. 537
33. Ottar Egilsson (AEthelwulf) b. 558
34. Adil Ottarsson b. 579
35. Eystein Adilsson b. 600
36. Ingvar Eysteinsson b. 621
37. Anund Ingvarsson b. 642
38. Ingjald Anundsson b. 663
39. Olaf Ingjaldsson b. 684
40. Halfdan Olafsson b. 705
41. Eystein Halfdansson b. 726
42. Halfdan Milldi Eysteinsson b. 747
43. Ivar Halfdansson Opplendingejarl b. 780
44. Eystein Ivarsson "the Noisy" Glumra b. 810
45. Malahulc/Haldrick Eysteinsson b. 850 = Maud de Boulogne et Ternois
46. Richard I de Saint-Sauveur b. 895 = Niece de Normandie
47. "Nigel" Neil I, Vicomte de Saint-Sauveur = Sorota (Adela) de Senlis b.911
48. Roger de Saint-Sauveur, Vicomte du Cotentin, b.945 = Married dau. of Richard of Normandy
49. Neel(Niel, Nigel) I (II) de St. Sauveur
50. Niel II (III) de Saint-Sauveur, Vicomte de Cotentin = Adele de Brionne, Comtesse d' Eu
51. Hugues de Lacy, b.1020 = Emma
52. Nigell de Lacy, Constable of Chester
53. John FitzNigell, b.1090 = Magdalen Cecily be Blois
54. Eustace Fitzjohn, Constable of Knaresborough and Cheshire = Matilda Fitzwilliam de Halton
55. Sir Richard Fitz Eustace, Lord of Halton = Albreda de Lisours, b.1128
56. Roger Fitz Richard, 1st Baron of Warkworth = Adeliza DE Vere, Heiress of Ugley
57. dau., Alice Fitz Richard = John Fitz Richard, Constable of Chester, son of Richard Fitz Eustace
58. dau., Alice de Vere (de Lacy) [Heiress of Kippax] = Alan of Galloway
59. dau., Helen of Galloway = Roger, Earl of Winchester
60. Ellen De Quincy = Alan La Zouche, Knt. b. 1270
61. Roger La Zouche, Knt., d. bef. 1285 = Eleanor Longespee
62. Alan La Zouche, of Ashby, d.1314 = Eleanor Seagrave
63. dau., Elena (Helena) La Zouche, d. aft. 1334 = Alan De Charleton, of Apley Castle, Shropshire
64. Alan Charleton, of Apley Castle, d. May 1349 = Margery Fitzaer
65. Thomas Charleton, c. 1345-1387, Apley Castle = Anna
66. dau., Ann De Charleton, bef. 1380-1399, Apley = William de Knightly, son of Richard de Knightly
67. Thomas De Knightly De Charleton, 1394 1460 = Elizabeth Francis
68. Robert De Charleton, ca. 1410-1471, = Mary Corbet
69. Richard Charleton, ca. 1450-1522 = Anne Mainwaring, dau. of William
70. William Charleton, ca. 1481-1532 = Alice or Anna Horde
71. Richard Charleton, b. abt. 1495 = ___ Eyton
72. Robert Charleton, b. abt. 1524 = Dorothy Browne or Braine
73. Richard Charleton, b. abt. 1554 = Unk
74. Capt. Stephen Charleton, of Accomack Virginia, ca. 1590-1660 = Elizabeth
75. dau., Mary Ann Charleton, ca. 1621- aft. 1676 = Col. Edmund Scarborough, Va., b. 1617
76. William Scarborough, b. 1640 = Amy Holdworth
77. Edward Scarborough, b. 1666 = Unk
78. dau., Mary Scarborough, b. 1695 = Daniel Dugger or Duggard
79. William Dugger, b. 1720 = Martha
80. Benjamin Dugger, b. 1747 = Elizabeth
81. David Dugger, b. Nov. 1777 Wilkes Co., N.C. = Margaret Ernest
82. Henry Dugger, b. 14 June 1809 Ashe Co., N.C. = Sarah Green
83. Hardin G. Dugger, b. 1840 = Rebecca Jenkins
84. Linnville Andrews Dugger, b. 1872, Tenn. = Mary Ada Puryear, dau. of Solomon S. Puryear
85. dau., Rosa Grace Dugger, b. 1904 Stevenson Ala. = Wiley Sanford Barnes, son of John Wesley Barnes, who was son of Anthony G. Barnes, C.S.A.
86. dau., Ruby Catherine Barnes, b. 1929-1988 =/= Dave Franklin Jackson, b. 1925 Summerville, GA
87. Michael Dave Barnes, Knight Templar on the York Rite

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Subject: Post 330 A: Desposyni


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Post 330 A: Desposyni

I had a chance to peruse the internet for the subject of "Desposyni". What I have found mostly are charlatans trying to make a fraudulent buck from people. There is even a so-called Church of the Desposyni.

Please allow me to tell you, they do not represent us. We have no connection to them. We do not sell "inspirational CDs". Nor do we sell icons of any kind. I do paint on occasions. But I would never dream of sell a painting under the title of "Desposyni".

Yes, I would like to be a millionaire. But I try to be fair and honest. I have nothing much to sell and very little to give away. And the lottery just will not cooperate. So I guess I'm stuck where I am. I've had a string of luck here lately; all bad. I was scammed by northerngoodies.com for about $100. I had a motorcycle accident; gained some weight; and was assaulted by a prisoner in my capacity as a law enforcement officer in which I suffered a concussion to the head. Unless you're in law enforcement, or married to one of us, you have no idea what we deal with. There's the psalm-singing bleeding heart's who chant "poor prisoner, poor prisoner" over some dammed murderer or rapist. Just watch Realtime on HBO and you'll see some of them. Then there's internal affairs who seems to have the goal of "How can we blame this on the officer." And if you're unlucky enough you'll be working with an officer who's main concentration while everything is going down is his sandwich. It seems that to some people their sandwich is very important to them. They MUST study their lunch box closely to make sure none of their precious sandwiches are missing. Also it keeps them from having to notice or take part in anything that's going down.

Back to the Desposyni:

I have several Posts on this w.voy/40560/ site dealing with the subject of us, the Desposyni. Mainly they are as follows:
Posts: Paul-Pseudapostolorum, 115 A:, 117 A:, 118 A:, 119 A:, 120 A:, 129 A:, 136 A:, 141 A:, 154 A:, 192, 193, 199 A:, 205 A:, 207 A:, 208 A:, 210, 248 A:, 277 A:, 278 A:, 295 A:, 313 A:, 313 B:, 313 C:, 313 D:.

Well that's all I have for now. It's interesting, you-know, I didn't see one dammed mention of this site on any of the thirty pages on google that I clicked on. Yet I saw plenty of people who had taken material from this little voy/40560/ site! I guess this site was one of those that was "removed." One of the sites that just didn't make the cut. Yet there were plenty of those dammed "yo-bro, slam-jam, flang-dang" modern piece of crap site that don't know shiit! Makes one wonder what the search engines like google value now, doesn't it?

Well, here's wishing you and myself better luck.
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Subject: Post 329 A: Political Thievery


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Post 329 A: Political Thievery

First a correction: On my last, Post 328 A:, on line 25 I listed Gregor Dhu MacGregor as "(MacCutquheir or Keyletter)" it should have been (MacCutquheir in keyletter).

On we go:
We State of Alabama employees are set to be receiving a 'supposed' 5% raise. This is going to be a "merit raise", in other words sort of a butt kissing raise, instead of a 'Step Raise' we should be getting. We're supposed to receive a step raise every 6 months. We haven't received a step raise in 12 years; ever since the Republican governors were swept into office after charges were trumped up against former governor Don Segalman for something that had never before been considered a crime.

Do you remember the old stories of miners and their relationship to the 'Company Store'? The miners would be paid in company script, which could only be used at the company store. No where else, not in another town or any other store where the prices might be lower could they be used. The prices at the company store would always be two to three times higher than they would be anywhere else. Thereby keeping the miners on the very edge of poverty and not able to save anything.

Something very much like that is happening in Alabama to State Employees. We are to receive a 5% 'merit raise'. But the price we pay for our Health Insurance is going up at least as much if not more that the little piddly 5% raise. Thereby taking every thing we will be getting and then some.

Had we gotten our step raises every 6 months that we were supposed to get we would be making a full 33% more that we're currently making. That's a full one third more in pay. That's how much we as state workers have been injured by Republican governors elected by ignorant people who only watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbough; and who don't bother to pay attention to issues and don't understand when they themselves are being screwed by electing Businessmen who are going to pad their own pockets and help wealthy mega corporations at the price of taxing to death the poor and middle class. For a cut of the action, of course.

Just thought you might like to know in case some idiot tell you we're "on the dole". The jobs we State Employees do range from monotonous to out right Dangerous. And we do it for a cost to the average state taxpayer of less that 5%. A private company, in case you're interested, typically costs the taxpayer 26%. So there you go, you're getting a bargain at our expense.

I recently celebrated my 55th birthday. I was going to buy for myself a ring with a Viking Ship motif. Something to celebrate my Viking Heritage. I found a very nice ring being advertised by a place online from Goodman Wisconsin called northerngoodies. I found out too late that fraudulent practices were afoot. Products people had ordered were reported as having not been sent or delivered. One fellow even reported that he had his identification stolen. Another that extra charges were made on his credit card. I tell you this only to give you warning. Do everyone else a favor and pass the word. Ask your friends to pass the word. Somebody who operates like this has no business being on the web. If I file a small claims case against him it's going to cost me as much as the ring did.

Until next time, be safe.
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Subject: Post 313 D: Imperial Descent Chart


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Post 313 D: Imperial Descent Chart


1. Julia, sister of Julius Caesar, b. 101 BC = Atius Balbus, Senator
2. Atia = Gaius Octavius, parents of Augustus Caesar
3. Octavia Minor = Marcus Antonius (Mark Antony)
4. Antonia Minor = Nero Claudius Drusus
5. Emperor Claudius Caesar AD 41-45, = Valeria Messalina
6. Genuissa (Venus Julia) = King Gwenivyth (Arviragus) of Siluria
7. King Marius of Siluria = Pendardun, grand-daughter of St. James the Just
8. King Coel I = ?
9. Lleiffer Mawar (King Lucius) c. AD 180 = Gladys (2. Eugein, 1. Pendardun)
10. dau., Eurgen = Aminadab, (3. Josue, 2. Josephes, 1. Jesus)
11. Catheloys (Castelors) = ?
12. Manael = ?
13. Titurel = ?
14. Frimutel = ?
15. Boaz (Anfortas) = ?
16. Frotmund = ?
17. Faramund (Pharamond) = Princess Argotta of the Sicambrians
18. Clodin of Tournia = Queen Basina I, widow of King Weldephus
19. Meroveus (Merovech), King of Franks, d.456 = Merira

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Subject: Post 326 A: Hardin (Harden) G. Dugger


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Post 326 A: Hardin (Harden) G. Dugger


Hardin G. Dugger is one of my ancestors. He was born in 1840 in Tennessee, the son of Henry Dugger, born 1809 in Ashe County N.C., and Sarah Green, who was also born in North Carolina.

In the U.S. Census of 1850 Henry Dugger is shown as the father of:
Eliza E. Dugger, age 15, (F) born in N.C.
Wiley Dugger, age 13, (M) born in Tenn.
Hardin Dugger, age 10, (M) born in Tenn.
Enoch H. Dugger, age 7, (M) born in Tenn.
Ferney P. Dugger, age 2, born in Tenn.

A Civil War pension can be found for Hardin Dugger at:
http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4Y8-96X

He apparently served as a Union soldier, as did his son Hardin G. Dugger.

Henry Dugger died before January 28, 1868.

Hardin G. Dugger died April 27, 1927 at his home in Grass Valley, Sherman Oregon, in the company of his wife Nancy A. Dugger, age 86, and daughter Hattie Dugger, age 62.

"H*Dugger" is shown in the Census of 1900 as living in the town of Bridgeport, Jackson County, Alabama, with:
Wife: Nancy A. Dugger, age 60.
Daughter: Hattie E. Dugger, age 35.
Son: Marrion A. Dugger, age 25.

Unfortunately, many Dugger descendants stop listing the children of Hardin G. Dugger after the 1870 Census.
My ancestor, Andrew Linnville Dugger or Linnville Andrews Dugger was born in 1872.


The 1880 U.S. Census for Putnam County, Tennessee, page 107, (203,228) shows:

Harden Dugger, age 40.
Wife: Nancy Dugger, age 39.
Dau: Emly Dugger, age 16
Dau: Harret Dugger, age 15
Son: William Dugger, age 12.
Son: Andrew Dugger, age 9.
Dau: Mary Dugger, age 7.
Son: Marion Dugger, age 5.
Dau: Lillis Dugger, age 3.

Hardin G. Dugger or "Hardin Green Dugger" was an ancestor I had accidentally left off of the genealogical Chart of Post 313 C:.
Hardin G. Dugger, my great-great grandfather, should have been in position 51. on Post 313 C: as the son of Henry Dugger.

When I looked on line and found no evidence of Hardin Dugger with a son named Linnville or Andrew from pages created by my obvious relatives I began to doubt myself. Was I wrong in listing him as an ancestor? But wait! I have an original photograph of Hardin Dugger given to me by my grandmother, Rosa Grace Dugger Barnes. It has written across the back in my grandmother's handwriting "Hardin G. Dugger." If we're not descendants, what are we doing with an original photograph of Hardin G. Dugger dated to about 1900 to 1920?

I had not bothered to dig up much genealogical paperwork on Hardin because I had always just assumed him to be an ancestor. I had not taken into account with all the genealogical crackpots running around, one can never assume anything.

About My being descended from Charlemagne and the Merovingians. See these articles:
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2009/10/are-you-descendant-of-charlemagne.html

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18107175-all-europeans-are-related-if-you-go-back-just-1000-years

I'll try to produce a new chart just as soon as I have time.
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Subject: Post 313 B: The Merovingian Line


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Post 313 B: The Merovingian Line


1. Merovech (Latin: Meroveus/Merovius) (d. 453/457) son of Merovee, Frankish Leader (Sicambrian origin) or Clodin Crintus king of Salian Franks
2. Childeric I, son of Merovech (c. 440-482) K. of Salian Franks or Franks of Yssel. Wife, Basina, Queen of Thuringia
3. Clovis I, King of Franks, d. 511 (wives=) Clotilde & Evochild
4. Lothar / Chlothar I, K. of Franks, d. 561 (=) Aregung & Ingund (sisters)
5. Chilperic / Childeric I, K. of Franks, d. 584 = Fredegund
6. Lothar II / Chlothar II, K. of Franks, d.629
7. Dagobert I, son of Lothar II, K. Franks, d. 638 = Raintrude
8. Adela, daughter of Dagobert I, (abt 650-718) = Eudes Odo Gasconha
9. Gerlinde, dau. of Adela & Eudes (679-773) = Adalbert Etichonen, Duke of Alsace
10. Luitfrid I, Duke of Alsace (abt 707-767) = Edith d' Alace
11. Luitfrid II, Count of Upper Alsace, (abt 740-799) = Hiltrude
12. Hugues Liutfride, (765-837) = Ava Unkown (769-839)
13. Adelais Liutfride, dau. of Hugues, (804-882) = Conrad I Welf / Conrad I, von Altdorf
14. Conrad II, Welf / von Altdorf, (825-893) = Weldrada
15. dau., Adelaide Welf / von Altdorf, (874-929) = Richard de Bourgogne
16. dau., Ermengarde de Bourgogne, d. 935, = Gilbert de Chalons
17. dau., Adelais de Bourgogne de Chalons, d. abt 967, = Robert Vermandois, son of Herbert II, Count Vermandois, grt.grt.great grandson of Charlemagne
18. dau., Adele of Meaux de Vermandois, granddaughter of King Robert I of France (934-982), = Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou
19. dau., Ermengarde Irmgard d' Anjou, d. 1022, = Conan I, Duke de Bretagne (Brittany)
20. Geoffrey I, Duke of Bretagne (Brittany), d. 1008, = unknown
21. Alan III, Bretagne, d. 1040, = Berte de Blois, dau. of Eudes de Blois
22. dau., Havoise de Bretagne, d. 1072, = Hoel Le Strange
23. Guy Le Strange, d. 1105, = ___Mellette
24. Rowland Le Strange, d. 1158, = Maud Hunstanton, dau of Ralph Fitzherlewin Hunstanton & Helewisa Plaiz
25. John Le Strange, d. 1178, = Hawise unknown
26. John Le Strange, d. 1234, = Amicia unknown
27. John Le Strange of Knockin, d. 1269, = Lucy Tregoz
28. dau., Hawise Le Strange, born abt. 1223, = Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, Welsh Prince of Powys Wenwynwyn & Margaret Corbet
29. Owain ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn (de la Pole), d.ca. 1293, Last Prince of Powys-Wenwynwyn, = Joan Corbet, dau. of Robert Corbet & Catherine Le Strange
30. dau., Hawise de la Pole, d. abt. 1345, = John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton of Powis (Powys)
31. Alan De Charleton, Knt. of Apley Castle, =

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Subject: Post 325 B: Adam De Charleton, Welsh Royal Bloodline


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Post 325 B: Adam De Charleton, Welsh Royal Bloodline

On Post 323 A:, it was shown in Burke's book, 'THE GENERAL ARMORY' of heraldic arms and dignities that "ADAM DE CHARLETON, lord of the manor of Charleton, in Tyndale, co Northumberland, A.D. 1303," bore the Arms of, "Or, a lion ramp. gu." This of course means 'Or, a lion rampant, gules.'

The term 'Or' is the color gold. It's usually represented by the color yellow. A lion rampant is a lion when standing erect with head in profile, one fore paw raised above the other and one hind paw raised from the ground. The term used to represent the color Red is the word Gules. Thus one has a red lion standing erect on one back paw upon a yellow (gold) shield.

Consequently these are the same arms as those borne by John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charleton_1st_Baron_Cherleton

On the wiki page it describes the arms as, "Traditional Coat of Arms of the de la Pole and de Charleton families. Or, a lion Gules armed and langed Azure."
Wikipedia fails to mention the position of the lion, which is rampant.

"Armed and langed Azure" just means the lion's claws (armed) and tongue (langed) are blue (Azure). It's a minor difference and one that might have been added at a later date.

But what this evidence indicates is that Adam De Charleton was the son of John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton of Powis (Powys) Wenwynwyn (1268-1353).

These were originally the Arms of the Welsh House of Mathrafal, a cadet branch of the Royal House of Dinefwr.
These Arms were achieved by Baron John Charleton by his marriage to Hawise Gadarn (the Hardy) on July 26 1309, daughter of Owain ap Gwenwynwyn, who had changed his name to Owen de la Pole. Owen was the last Welsh Prince of Powys Wenwynwyn. He was Prince until 1283 when it, the title, was abolished by an act of the Parliament of Shrewsbury.

As was stated earlier Burke's book gives Adam De Charleton's date as 1303. The marriage of John Charleton to Hawise is given as 1309. Thus either the date of Adam's birth is wrong or, Hawise bore John Charleton a son some six years before their marriage, which is possible. One would have expected Adam's birth to have been in 1310 or later. If Adam had been born to another woman before his father's marriage to Hawise he, Adam, would have had no right to bare the Arms of the House of Mathrafal.

John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton was succeeded by his son John Charleton, 2nd Baron Cherleton. This would seem to indicate Adam De Charleton was a second son. Unless Adam was marginalized due to the circumstance of his birth. In no other country but England are illegitimate children treated with such distain. The nobility, and in particularly the Royalty, treat the most innocent with such great dishonor, all while failing to take responsibility for their own actions. They instead chose to heap the responsibility for their own sins and crimes upon the head of the newborn child. As if it were a scapegoat.

John Charleton, 2nd Baron Cherleton was given the lordship of Powis. While his apparently elder brother Adam was given a lesser possession at Hesleyside, Northumberland.

The Charleton family of Hesleyside became Border Reivers. These were raiders along the English-Scottish border. This was an area of great lawlessness where people lived by their sword and their wits. They had to be constantly ready to do battle. They lived in this state of readiness from the late 13th century to the beginning of the 17th century.

A descendant of the Charleton's in the line of John Charleton, 2nd Baron Cherleton sold the estate of Powis and the title to a member of the Herbert family in the fifteen hundreds (1500's). The Crown of England and English law claims today that at title of nobility may not be sold. So which is it? It must be either one way or the other.

I am connected to this as a descendant. Colonel Edmund Scarborough (1617-1671) married Mary Ann or Ann Carleton, daughter of Captain Edward Charleton.

Thus: I hereby claim or reclaim the title of the Baron of Powis (Powys) for the Charleton Family, and or the Baronetcy of Hesleyside, Northumberland.

More on the Border Reivers can be found on Post 324 A:.

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Subject: Post 324 A: Adam De Charleton, a Royal of Wales


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Post 324 A: Adam De Charleton, a Royal of Wales.

On Post 323 A:, it was shown in Burke's 'THE GENERAL ARMORY' book of Arms and Heraldic dignities that "ADAM DE CHARLETON, lord of the manor of Charleton, in Tyndale, co Northumberland, A.D. 1303," bore the Arms of, 'Or, a lion rampant. gules.'

Or is the color gold. It's usually represented by the color yellow. A lion rampant is a lion standing on its back legs with its front paws in the air, as if attacking. Gules is the color red. Thus you have a red lion standing on its back paws as if attacking, upon a yellow (gold) shield.

Consequently these are same arms as those borne by John Charleton, 1st Caron Cherleton.
See: http://en.wilipedia.org/wiki/John_Charleton_1st_Baron_Charleton
On that page it describes it as, "Traditional Coat of Arms of the de la Pole and de Cherleton families. Or, a lion Gules armed and langed Azure."

Armes and langed azure just means the lions claws (armed) and tongue (langed) are Azure (blue). It's a minor difference and one that might have escaped heraldic writers of old. Or it may be a difference that was added at a later date.

But what this evidence indicates is that Adam De Charleton was the son of John De Charleton, 1st Baron of Powis ((Powys), Wenwynwyn.

These were originally the Arms of the House of Mathrafal, a cadet branch of the Welch Royal House Dinefwr.

These were not originally the arms of Baron John Charleton. He achieved them through his marriage Hawise Gadarn (the Hardy), daughter of Owain ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, who had changed his name to Owen de la Pole. Owain was the last Welch Prince of Powys Wenwynwyn until 1283 when it was abolished by the Parliament of Shrewsbury.

John De Charleton married Hawise on 26 July 1309. Thus this indicates the date of Adam De Charleton's birth is also wrong. Unless Hawise bore John Charleton a son before they were married he, Adam de Charleton, would have almost assuredly been born in 1310 or later. If he had been born to another woman before his fathers marriage to Hawise he would have had no right to bare the Arms of the House of Mathrafal.

John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton was succeeded by his son John Charleton, 2nd Baron Charleton. This would seem to indicate Adam De Charleton was a second son.

The Charleton family of Hesleyside became Border Reivers. These were raiders along the Scottish-English border. This was an area of great lawlessness where people lived by their sword and their wits, constantly ready to do battle. They lived in this state of readiness from the late 13th century until beginning of the 17th century.

The excerpt that follows is from BorderReivers.co.uk
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"The almost constant warring between England and Scotland changed the lives of families living immediately north and south of the Border. Owing to their geographical position they were frequently harassed by passing armies who, at the least, would require provisioning, often without payment, but were usually hell bent on destroying everything before them and causing as much damage and misery as they could.

Crops were destroyed, homesteads burnt and people murdered or dispersed.

Reiving, raiding for cattle and sheep, and whatever else which could be transported, was the only way to survive and it became an established way of life, a profession, which was regarded with no discredit amoungst the Borderers.

The practice spread and was passed down through the generations.

Reiving was not limited to the poorest people, and many a nobleman condoned and even participated in the activities. Officials such as the Wardens of the Marches, who were there to uphold the law, were not above indulging in reiving if they had the opportunity."

Excerpts from Reivers.com
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"Robbery and blackmail were everyday professions, raiding, arson, kidnapping, murder and extortion an accepted part of the social system.

While the monarchs of England and Scotland ruled the comparatively secure hearts of their kingdoms, the narrow hill land between was dominated by the lance and the sword. The tribal leaders from their towers, the broken men and outlaws of the mosses, the ordinary peasants of the valleys, in their own phrase, 'shook loose the Border'."

Excerpt from The Northeast England History Pages
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"'The Spur On The Dish' by Sir William Bell Scott depicting the Charleton family assembled for lunch at Hesleyside.

The Lady of the house brought in a salver and dish for her hungry family but the salver has been lifted to reveal an empty dish, empty that is except for a riding spur. It was a great tradition of the Charleton family that when the larder was empty the spur would be presented in this way as a hint that if the family wanted food they would have to go raiding."

The two main branches of the Charleton or Charlton family are from the areas of Pawis, in North Wales. And from Hesleyside and Hexham in Northumberland. But both seem to have the same roots and seem the be in descent from the Royal bloodline of Wales. I do hope this was of some interest. So long for now, friends and relatives, far and wide.

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Subject: Post 323 A: The General Armory; Burke's (Charleton)


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Post 323 A: The General Armory; Burke's (Charleton)

page 125:
"Charleton (Hesleyside, co, Northumberland; descended from ADAM DE CHARLETON, lord of the manor of Charleton, in Tyndale, co. Northumberland, A.D. 1303; Sir EDWARD CHARLETON, of Hesleyside, great-great-grandson of EDWARD CHARLETON, of Charleton Tower, in Tyndale, and of Helseyside, near Bellingham, was created a baronet in 1645). Or, a lion ramp. gu."

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Subject: Post 322 A: Idiocracy, part 5. Emperor's New Clothes


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Post 322 A: Idiocracy, part 5. Emperor's New Clothes.

USA TODAY.com "Rich get a lot richer, outpace middle class"
"Average after-tax income for top 1% of U.S. households almost quadrupled, up 275%, from 1979 to 2007, the CBO found." 10/27/11

'US News and World Report.com
The Ultra Rich Got (a lot) Richer Last Year

"The world's richest people added a cool $240 billion to their collective net worth in 2012."

"Carlos Slim, the telecom tycoon who heads Mexico's America Movil SAB, held onto his No.1 spot as the richest person on Earth...surging more than $13 billion - or 22 percent - last year."
"Carlos Slim...Net worth: $76.4 billion (+ $13.4 billion in 2012)." January 3, 2013'

As I stated in Post 320 A: Idiocracy, part 4.

The ancient Romans had the Cult of the Emperors, in which the Emperor would be worshiped as a god. One can argue the case that when a person acquires wealth in the billions of dollars range they become virtually untouchable by law or government. Todays "Cult of the Emperors" could be referred to as the "Cult of the Wealthy."

Take the case of USBC Bank. Found guilty by the U.S. Government of laundering drug money. Yet not one single person went to jail. I am aware that this is a bank and not a person. Wait a minute, does not the Citizens United decision of 2010 (US Supreme Court 558) equate corporations to be persons? And let's face it, anyone who has a billion dollars or more becomes an entity and not person. Large businesses depend on their money to make more money.

Such persons could be considered a kind of "Emperor." In a manner of speaking. There are only so many slices to the wealth pie. To twist and subvert the tax laws to allow the "Emperors" to have more means someone has to pay more for the loss in tax revenue. That someone is always the middle class. The poor can't pay it since they have very little income to start with. The poor pay it in loss of government services. Thus the wealthy get a bigger slice of the wealth pie. And the middle class have to settle for an ever smaller slice of pie. Even to the point where they and their families are starving. All so the fat, wealthy bastard at the end of the table can have half the pie to himself. Two hundred and sixty eight thousand of,(268,000), the middle class have to split the other half of the pie. If one considers Mr. Slim's slice of pie.

As I had stated in a previous Post on www.voy.com/40560/ the term "middle class" has been stretched to infinity. Most people in the United States that are being called middle class are now actually the working poor.

I had found on a site this:
"In 1968 U.S. Minimum wage was $1.60 (a hour). If it had kept up with income growth & distribution overall, it would now be $21.16 per hour. Instead it's $7.25."

It seems that just like in the South after the Civil War, with the establishment of Jim Crow laws that were put in place to lockup black people for little or no reason in order for the State Governments of the South to hire them out for labour in a manner to continue the institute of slavery under another name, the Republican Politicians have figured out a way to enslave the majority of the population these United States Of America. The Nation they have created has now become laughingly known as "the land of the free."

To those who consider themselves Christians, particularly if they are Republicans. They should take a good look at my Post 320 A:.

As I stated in that post, in the days of the ancient Christians in the first and second century A.D., Christians would go to their death by the lions in the arena rather than call Emperors like Nero a god. The United States being the new Rome. The Christians of today are much different than their ancient predecessors of the same name. Todays Christian, especially if he/she is a Republican, is very much in favor of the "Cult of the Emperors." They are in favor of the billionaire 'Business Emperors' giving campaign money to Republican Political Pacts to have tax laws favor them and their businesses, even if those businesses are overseas. And put the majority of the tax burden on the back of the already struggling and what is now laughably called the "middle class."

Yes friends, todays Christian is in favor of calling Carlos Slim and Bill Gates a "business god." And taking the lash of the tax man upon their own backs, even if it means their own children have to do without, rather than the backs of the "Business GODS."

Is it just me? Or does todays Christian seem like a whimpering, crying, begging coward? Or are they just deluded fools who only watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh? I truly think when they realize what is being done to them they have no idea what to do about it. They don't want to join the Democrats, who are so liberal in some areas that it makes one nauseous. Only they can solve this one. Perhaps a new party would do. One, unlike the Tea Party, that has not been co-opted by the Republican Party.


To another point. I am well aware of the fact that the Free Trade Agreement has forbidden the use of tariffs. But, has the Free Trade agreement worked for the average American? Prior to NAFTA the U.S. had a trade surplus with Mexico. It had turned into a $91 billion deficit by 2007. It has turned into a $190 billion deficit with Canada and Mexico together in 15 years. That is an increase of 691% in deficit as compared to the $24 billion deficit we had with Canada prior to NAFTA. More than 20% of the higher paying manufacturing jobs have been lost in the U.S. due to NAFTA alone.

It seems obvious given the statistics that the average citizens of the U.S. has been lies to and cheated by Big Business and the U.S. Government, even when it was under Democratic control by democrats such as Bill Clinton.

They, of course, are still lying and cheating. That's what they do. There's a lot to said for the wealthy. Let's hope it's said in time.

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Subject: Post 321 A: Genealogy Chart, Adam to Hamelin, II


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Post 321 A: Genealogy Chart, Adam to Hamelin, II

Adam--Sheth (Seth)--Enosh (Enos)--Kenan (Cainan)--Mahabeel (Mahalaleel)--Jared (Jered)--Enoch (Henoch)--Methuselah (Mathusala)--Lamech--Noah (Utnapishtim/Utna-napishtim)--Shem (Sem)--Arphaxad (Arpachshad)--Shelah (Sala)--Eber (Heber)--Peleg (Phalec)--Reu (Ragau)--Serug (Saruch)--Nahor (Nachor)--Terah (Tara)--Abraham (Abram)--Isaac--Jacob (Israel)--Judah (Juda/Judas)--Pharez (Phares)--Hezron (Esrom)--Ram (Aram)--Amminadab (Aminadab)--Nahshon (Naasson)--Salam (Salomn)--Boaz (Booz)--Obed--Jesse--David (king of Israel 1048-1015 BC)--Solomon (King of Israel 1015BC)--Rehoboam (Roboam) king of Judah 975BC--Abijah (Abia) King of Judah 957BC--Asa, K. of Judah 955BC--Jehoshaphat (Josaphat) K. Judah 917BC--Jehoram (Joram) K. Judah 893BC--Ahaziah (Ak-Khazar) K. Judah 885BC--Joash, K.Judah 878BC--Amaziah, K.Judah 840BC--Uzziah (Oziah) K.Judah [married Jerushah, dau. of Zadok]--Jotham (Joatham)--K.Judah 759BC--Ahaz (Achaz)K.Judah 742BC--Hezekiah (Ezekias)K.Judah 726BC--Manasseh (Manasses)K.Judah 697BC--Amon, K.Judah 642BC--Josiah, (Josias)K.Judah 640BC [Married 1.Zebudah, 2.Hamutal]--Jehoahaz, K.Judah {forced out of Judah by Pharoah} 609BC--Jehoiakim (Jechonais/Eliakim) King of Judah, son of Josiah, younger brother of Jehoahaz 609BC taken hostage to Babylon--Jechoniah (Jehoiakin)k.de jure, Judah 598BC--Shealtiel (Salathiel)--Pedaiah--Zerubbabel (Zorobabel)--Rhesa (Abiud)--Joanna (Jehohanen/Johanen)--Juda (Judah/Judas)--Joseph--Semei (Shimei)--Mattathias (Mattithiah)--Maath--Nagge (Nogah)--Esli (Azaliah)--Naum (Nahum)--Amos--Mattathias--Joseph--Janna (Johanan)--Melchi--Levi--Matthat--Heli (Jacob)--Joseph, King de jure of Judah--Saint James the Just [married Anne], A.D.1-82--dau. Anna (Enygeus) [m. Bran/Bron the blessed]--dau. Penardun [m. K. Marius of Siluria]--Coel I AD 125--Lleiffer Mawr (Lucius) AD 180--dau. Eurgen [m. Aminadab]--Catheloys (Castellors)--Manael--Titurel--Frimutel--Boaz (Anfortas)--Frotmund--Pharamond/Faramund) 430--Clodion (Chlodio/Clodio/Clodius) of Tournai, K. of Salian Franks--MEROVEUS, K. of Franks (Merovingian)--Childeric, K. Franks--CLOVIS I, K. Franks 466--Lothar I, d.561--dau. Blitidis [m. Ansbert, Grt.Grandson of Clodion]--Arnoald, d.601--Arnulf, d.641--Ansegis, Margrave of Scheldt [m. Begga, dau. of Pepin I, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia]--Pepin II, of Herstal--Charles Martel, c688, de facto ruler of Franks--Pepin the Short (The Great) de facto & de jure ruler of Franks--CHARLEMAGNE, Western Holy Roman Emperor of France, Italy, Saxony, and Bavaria--Pepin of Italy (King of Italy)--Bernard of Italy b.797(King of Lombardy) illegitimate son of Pepin of Italy--Pepin, Count of Vermandois, Lord of Senlis, Peronne, St. Quentin) b.815--Herbert I, Count of Vermandois, Lord Senlis,Peronne,St. Quentin--Herbert II, Count Vermandois--Robert of Vermandois--dau. Adele of Meaux (934-982) [m. Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou (Geoffrey Greymantle)--Fulk III, (The Black) Count of Anjou b.972--dau., Ermengarde of Anjou [m. Geoffrey II, Count of Gatinais]--Faulk IV, Count of Anjou, b.1043--Fulk V, Count of Anjou, King of Jerusalem, [m. 1. Ermengarde of Maine, 2. Melisende, dau. of King Baldwin II of Jerusalem, 1089-1143]--Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou, 1113-1151--Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, 1129-1202, illegitimate son of Geoffrey Plantagenet by an unknown mistress.

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Subject: Post 320 A: Idiocracy, part 4.


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Post 320 A: Idiocracy, part 4.

Tonight I will start by correcting a misconception. In my last post (319 A:) I spoke of "supervisory overreach" and the hesitancy to use any force in Law Enforcement. This should be viewed only in a workplace situation. As for myself, off duty, I carry a fire arm. If someone should wrongheadedly accost me off duty they might get something considerably more than being sprayed with mace.

I also in post 319 A: often wrote "wealth" when I meant to write "wealthy."

USATODAY.com "Rich get a lot richer, outpace middle class"
"Average after-tax income for top 1% of U.S. households almost quadrupled, up 275%, from 1979 to 2007, the CBO found." 10/27/11

'The Cult of the Wealthy'

Recently I had been engaged in some studies of Ancient Rome. I had noticed the ancient early Christians were in opposition to the Cult of the Emperors. The Cult of the Emperors was based in the idea, probably taken from Egypt, that the Emperor was a living god.

In case you hadn't noticed, it seems the United States has taken the place of Ancient Rome. But, with one very big difference. In our U.S.A. Rome those who call themselves Christians are very much in favor of the Cult of The Emperors! Oh yes, my dear reader, very much so.

What was an Emperor? An Emperor was nothing more than an extremely successful nobleman, a.k.a Patrician. In Roman times a nobleman was called a 'Patrician,' a common free man was called a 'Plebeian.'

Todays Christian has the same Cult, only now one might call it 'The Cult of the Wealthy.' The common everyday right wing, Republican voting Christian has had it drilled into him/her by Fox News that "Rich people are Good," and "Poor people are Bad." "But the rich are the job creators," they repeat over and over and over again. Yes, but the jobs the Rich are creating are in China, India, and South Korea.

The ancient Christians went to the lions rather than call Nero a god.

I wonder what the Christians of old would think of the Christians of new? I do not think they would be impressed. I certainly do not think the Christians of old would be proud of the Christians of the new.

It seems to me the new Christians have new gods. They seem to worship the Dollar Bill, Fox News, and the Republican Party. In that particular New World Order.

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Subject: Post 319 A: Idiocracy, part 3.


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Post 319 A: Idiocracy, part 3.

I had neglected to mention in Post 318 A:, 'Imagine yourself a P.O.S.T. Certified Law Enforcement Officer, using mace.'

I'm sure you all must have noticed the United States sinks deeper into debt with China while the keepers of the flame (Congress and the Senate) pull up there pants.

The Republican want to cut Social Security claiming falsely that "it's those old people taking to much money out of the system." Yet they will almost chew off their own arm than to raise taxes on the wealthy. The wealth have gotten a lot wealthier in the last fifteen years, mostly by cutting jobs in the U.S.A. and sending them to China. Yet the Republicans shield them.

Let's face it, a $400,000 a year income is not middle class. I would have liked to have seen taxes go up on anyone making above $150,000 a year. Instead what we got was a 2% tax hike on everybody with the elimination of the payroll tax holiday. I'm sure loopholes have been put in place to allow those making above $400,000 a year to get out of it without paying a dime more. Thus screwing the rest of us, which was what the Fiscal cliff charade was truly all about. The middle class pays. The Wealthy do not pay. Congress and the Senate lies to the middle class. The United States sinks deeper into debt with China. China provides large sums of money to the Wealthy, Congress and the Senate.

I have kind of worked out a scenario.
Imagine that you represent the middle class. You girl friend/ boy friend is the American Industrial Complex. Congress and the Senate are the superintendant and the apartment manager of your building.
Your girl friend leaves you, telling you she has found somebody else, China. The ex-girl friend and her new boy friend bribe the super not to change the locks on your door (elimination of taxes and tariffs on foreign goods). He splits the money with the apartment manager. Every day when you come home you find not a speck of food in your apartment. You complain to the super and the manager. They blame each other, and nothing gets done. You get so used to this you stop by the grocery store to buy food every day you leave work. Every day when you come home, the same thing, not a speck of food to be found.

This is where the middle class in the United States finds itself at present. Everyone knows the problem is China, India and South Korea. Everyone should know by now that the super wealth have run off with all the money, leaving little to nothing for anybody else. It's obvious the super wealth do not believe in sharing. Our useless Congress and Senate are going to make sure they don't have to.

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Subject: Post 318 A: Idiocracy, part 2.


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Post 318 A: Idiocracy, part 2.

Tonight I will start with some corrections.
UBS Bank pleaded or was found guilty of fraud and paid a fine of 1.5 Billion dollars in fines.
USBC Bank plead guilty to laundering drug money among other transgressions and paid 1.9 Billion dollars in fines.

On we go.
Ever wonder how some people judge others? I remember a picture of a man grimacing that was shown to us in psychology class. We student were given a questionnaire as to why the man was grimacing; with choices, good and bad. Here is where learned perception plays a part. Most student chose one of the terrible things on the list of choices. The death of a child or parent, etc. One of the choices was the grimacing man had just won the New York State Lottery. Likely as not almost chose that one.

How someone interprets movement, voice, facial expression and actions has a great deal to do with the environment in which that person was raised. A person raised in a middle class, educated environment will interpret thing much differently than a person raised in a intercity ghetto, or, for that matter, a person raised on a farm.

In the movie, 'Idiocracy,' Joe Bowers is arrested for not having a barcode on his wrist, which is used for identification. He pleads his case in court. But, poor Joe, he has awakened 500 years in the future where the English language has deteriorated into a mixture of Hillbilly, Valley Girl, Intercity Slang and grunts. Rude and disgusting, to say the least. Thus when Joe stated his case clearly, he sounded "pompous and faggy" to them. Resulting in gales of stupid laughter. This movie was set five hundred years into the future. But, in reality it's a tongue-in-cheek comedy about things today.

Truthfully, I understand where Joe is coming from. Imagine yourself working in an environment around violent criminals all day long. You have just been propelled into Joe's world. Speak clearly and properly and people will and do get the wrong idea. Imagine yourself having been chastised for using force. You used force legally and properly, but was chastised none the less.
I don't know, if a violent criminal pulls back his fist to punch you and you spray him with mace, are you legally covered? I think you are! Now imagine yourself being prevented from carrying your weapons (spray) for three years. This is what might be classified as extreme supervisory overreach. It might leave a bad taste in your mouth. You might be hesitant to use force at all. Even in the most extreme cases. Thus the criminals might get an unfavorable opinion of you. Remember now, these are individuals that only have respect for force. Goodness, kindness and intelligence mean nothing to these people. In fact, it's seen as weakness. All because some little jackbooted dictator who was running lawsuit scared wanted to play god!

In Post 317 A: I mentioned that a Superman was envisioned by writers, poets and composers of the 19th century. Richard Wagner (Vagner) wrote the Ring Cycle. Picking up on this Superman theme post-modernist Friedrich Nietzsche wrote the Apollonian and Dionysian dichotomy, and Zarathustra.

Alas, Nietzsche's vision of the Superman of the future was not to be. Perhaps it's best that mankind spins down into the dust from whence it crawled. Down, down, down carrying with it the bible thumping morons and the street wrapping idiots, along with every useless reality T.V. show. Down into that steaming mess of moronica from whence nothing remotely resembling intellect springs.

A closer:
Part of Existentialism with which Nietzsche was so fond is "Absurdism."
"The notion of the Absurd contains the idea that there is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what we give it. This meaninglessness also encompasses the amorality or unfairness of the world. This contrasts with 'karmic' ways of thinking in which bad things don't happen to good people; to the world, metaphorically speaking, there is no such thing as a good person or a bad person; what happens happens, and it may just as well happen to a good person as a bad person.

Because of the world's absurdity, at any point in time, anything can happen to anyone, and a tragic event could plummet someone into direct confrontation with the Absurd."

Now that we have covered Absurdity. You people who have little to no money and haven't had a raise in twelve years can go out and vote Republican. You Republican Senators and Congressmen can vote to protect trade with Communist China, and wave the American flag while you do it. You Democrat Senators and Congressmen can keep pretending to protect the common man and woman while you also vote to protect trade with China. Both keep shoving Chinese bribe money into their pockets while the country sinks deeper into debt with China while both plan their exit strategy in case the big balloon goes up.

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Subject: Post 317 A: Idiocracy, part 1


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Post 317 A: Idiocracy, part 1

Truthfully and apparently I must be some kind of threat? Fox News, if you can call it that with a straight face, used their resident weasel, Dennis Miller, to bash the comment I made in "Post 315 A: Teltalheart's Christmas Message" that we, those that make less than $250,000 a year, are viewed by the politicians, Congress and the Billionaires as "cockroaches, a.k.a. vermin." I hope you know by now that Dennis Miller is a Weasel far and away above the rest. He has stolen jokes from Bill Hicks, who by the way died in 1994 from cancer. Everyone, you've got to wonder what kind of person steals material from a dead man who, just happened to be a complete polar opposite politically from Miller. A Weasel, that's who! But then again Republicans are prone to lying and stealing. However, it's what they do best.

Idiocracy was a movie that came out in 2006. It stared Luke Wilson who plays the character Joe Bowers, a U.S. Army Librarian who is tapped for a secret mission as a test subject for a government hibernation experiment. The test goes awry and Joe and a female test subject, Rita, are forgotten about until the great garbage land slide of the year 2505.

Long after they have been put to sleep they awake to a world that has not gotten smarter. Indeed, it's gotten dumber, much, much dumber. The Movie begins with these words:

"As Twenty First Century began human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest reproduced in greater numbers than the rest. A process which once favored the noblest traits of man now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction, a dumbing-down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the heard. It began to simply reward those that reproduced the most. And left the intelligent to become an endangered species."

It begins with an intelligent couple. Trevor, I.Q. 138, and Carol, I.Q. 141. They're having trouble getting pregnant because of Trevor's sperm count. Trevor later dies of a heart attack while masturbating to produce sperm for invitro-fertilization.

Reasoning has it that in Joe's world of 2005 he was chosen for the experiment because he was so average. In the world of 2505 Joe is a super genius! Tastefully he shows up at just the right time in history, and it's dammed luck he does. People are beginning to starve. The crops aren't growing. He finds the crops are being watered by Brawndo, a sports drink. It seems "in the budget crisis of 2330 Brawndo simply bought the F.D.A. and the F.T.C. allowing them to say or do anything they wanted." Brawndo had deemed water to be a threat to their profit margin. Sounds like a Republicans dream come true, doesn't it!

This wouldn't concern me so much if I hadn't heard that Big Banks are going to be allowed to use mortgages as "liquid assets." It seems bank regulators were requiring banks to have more liquid assets on had to prevent runs on banks. The industry complained, and then came up with their own idea. The same idea that got us in trouble the last time.

Oh yes, also, I can't recall if it was UBS Bank? But one very large bank was caught laundering drug money. Which apparently it had done for years. 20,5,12,20,1,12,8,5,1,18,20. Nobody, but nobody went to jail. They simply were allowed to pay a fine. If it had been you or your kid that had been caught selling drugs on the street or laundering drug money in a small business do you think all you would have to do is pay a fine? Hell no! Your ass would be on your way to jail!

Doesn't Brawndo kind of sound like the Chinese?

You have got to hand it to the fear-mongering Republican Politicians. They've done a wonderful job at fooling their common Republican base. They have their own network, Fox News, with which they use to spew out any manner of inflammatory garbage to take their common bases eye off the ball. Just like a magician uses slight of hand to fool the public. They can get people to vote against their own best interest. They can even get people to vote themselves out of a job.

In the 1850s Kansas was a hotbed of anti-slavery left-wing peoples (Populist) movement who had moved there from eastern states for no other reason than to oppose the slave state of Missouri. This was where the civil war started before it ever became national. In the twentieth century the Republican Party was able to turn this state into a hotbed of anti-elitist Conservatism. A wonderful book was produced in 2004 by Thomas Frank. The title is 'What's the Matter with Kansas?'

In the book it seem the political discussion in recent decades had been intentionally shifted from economic and social equality to those of "explosive" cultural issues. Issues such as flag burning, gay rights, religion and of course abortion. Frank claims there is a bitter divide between moderate a conservative Kansas Republicans which will typify the future of politics in America. Fiscal conservatism becomes to universal norm and a handful of hot-button issues is the subject of political war. The book states:

"Not long ago, Kansas would have responded to the current situation by making the bastards pay. This would have been a political certainty, as predictable as what happens when you touch a match to a puddle of gasoline. When business screwed the farmers and workers - when it implemented monopoly strategies invasive beyond the Populists' furthest imaginings - when it ripped off shareholders and casually tossed thousands out of work - you could be damned sure about what would follow.

Not these days. Out here the gravity of discontent pulls in only one direction: to the right, to the right, further to the right. Strip today's Kansans of their job security, and they head out to become registered Republicans. Push them off their land, and next thing you know they're protesting in front of an abortion clinic. Squander their life savings an manicures for the CEO and there's a good chance they'll join the John Birch Society. But ask them about the remedies their ancestors proposed (unions, antitrust, public ownership), and you might as well be referring to the days when knighthood was in flower." (Thomas Frank, 2004 "What's the Matter with Kansas?", pp. 67-68)

That is the Political aspect. Now for the natural.

Unlike the superman envisioned for the future by writers, poets and composers of the 19th century (Wagner), who would be physically, spiritually and morally greater than common man. The future has offered something quite different. As in the movie 'Idiocracy' the main problem of the human race is its animal nature. Because of genetic cues imbedded in the human brain; particularly that of the female, breeding mates are chosen for archaic reasons having little to do with modern technological society.

Most women will chose mates based on build: (1.) height, (2.) muscle mass; on physio-emotional features such as, (1.) attractiveness of face, (2.) voice, (3.) charm, (4.) power and influence .
It is a fact that almost anyone can learn to be charming for ten minutes. This is about the amount of time needed to spark some ones attention and interest. All these cues will be, for the most part, subconscious. A female may chose a mate for their wealth. But that will be a conscious decision. Never is a mate chosen for their intelligence.

All the lessons of the old world that is passing away has to be relearned anew by younger generations; despite repeated warnings from the older generations. Such things that should be common sense, such as: be wary of those who promote war and have a vested interest in it through themselves, their friends, their business partners, and or their financial backers.
As in the movie 'Idiocracy' the less intelligent will breed more often and with less use of contraception. The result being more pregnancies, both in and out of wedlock, of people having less intelligence. They will produce children that are genetically predisposed to being less intelligent.
And, unlike earlier predictions, the Republican Party and Fox News will continue. WAHOO!

Well, it's late now. I will do the intelligent thing and go to bed.

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Post 316 A: Genealogy Chart, Adam to Hamelin

Adam--Sheth (Seth)--Enosh (Enos)--Kenan (Cainan)--Mahabeel (Mahalaleel)--Jared (Jered)--Enoch (Henoch)--Methuselah (Mathusala)--Lamech--Noah (Noe/ Utnapishtim)--Shem (Sem)--Arphaxad (Arpachshad)--Shelah (Sala)--Eber (Heber)--Peleg (Phalec)--Reu (Ragau)--Serug (Saruch)--Nahor (Nachor)--Terah (Tara)--Abraham (Abram)--Isaac--Jacob (Israel)--Judah (Juda/Judas)--Pharez (Phares)--Hezron (Esrom)--Ram (Aram)--Amminadab (Aminadab)--Nahshon (Naasson)--Salam (Salmon)--BOAZ (Booz)--Obed--Jesse--DAVID (King of Israel 1048-1015 BC)--Solomon (King of Israel)--Rehoboam (Roboam) King of Judah--Abijah (Abia) K. of Judah--Asa, K. Judah, 955 BC--Jehoshaphat (Josaphat) K. Judah--Jehoram (Joram) K. Judah--Ahaziah (Ak-Khazar) K. Judah,885 BC--Joash, K. Judah--Amaziah, K. Judah--Uzziah (Oziah) K. Judah--Jotham (Joatham) K. Judah--Ahaz (Achaz) K. Judah--Hezekiah (Ezekias) K. Judah--Manasseh (Manasses) K. Judah, 697 BC--Amon, King of Judah--Josiah (Josias) K. Judah, forced off throne by Pharoah--Jehoiakim, (Jechonais/ Eliakim) k. Judah, taken hostage to Babylon, 609 BC--Jechoniah (Jehoiakin) K. Judah, taken to Babylon, 598 BC(his half brother, Mattaniah, succeeded as king Zedekiah but was taken to Babylon, Zedekiah's dau. 'Tamar Tephi/ Stone of Destiny' taken to Ireland by Prophet Jeremiah--Shealtiel, son of Jechoniah, K. Judah--Pedaiah--Zerubbabel (Zorobabel) k. de jure of Judah, born in Babylon--Rhesa (Abiud)--Joanna (Jehohanen/Johanan)--Juda (Judah/Judas)--Joseph--Semei (Shimei)--Mattathias (Mattithiah)--Maath--Nagge (Nogah)--Esli (Azaliah)--Naum (Nahum)--Amos--Mattathias--Joseph--Janna (Johanan)--Melchi--Levi--Matthat--Heli (Jacob)--Joseph, King de jure of Judah--Jesus, the Christ (King, de jure of Judah) married (=) Mary Magdalene (Mary of Bethany), heiress of Israel--Josephes, b.44 AD--Josue--Aminadab, (m.=)Eurgen, dau. of Lleiffer Mawr/Lucius, son of Coel I (Old King Cole)--Catheloys (Castellors)--Manael--Titurel--Frimutel--Boaz (Anfortas)--Frotmund--Pharamond/Faramund, d.430--Clodion of Tournai, King of Salian Franks--Meroveus, k. of Franks, (Merovingian)--Childeric, K. Franks--CLOVIS I, d. 511--Lothar I, d.561, m.= Ingund--daughter, Blitildis m.= Ansbert, d.570, great grandson of Clodion of Tournai--Arnoald of Scheldt--Arnulf, Bishop of Metz--Ansegisel/ Ansegis, m.= Begga, dau. of Pepin I, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia--Pepin II, of Herstal--Charles Martel, c. 688, de facto ruler of Franks--Pepin the Short (Pepin The Great) de facto & de jure ruler of Franks--CHARLEMAGNE, Western Holy Roman Emperor of France, Italy, Saxony, and Bavaria--Pepin of Italy, (King of Italy)--Bernard of Italy, (King of Lombardy) illegitimate son of Pepin of Italy--Pepin, Count of Vermandois, Lord of Senlis, Peronne,Saint Quentin, b.815--Herbert I, Count of Vermandois, L. Senlis, Peronne, St. Quentin--Herbert II, Count of Vermandois--Robert of Vermandois--daughter, Adele of Meaux (934-982) married (m.=) Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou (Geoffrey Greymantle)-- Fulk III, (The Black) Count of Anjou, 972-1040--daughter, Ermengarde of Anjou, married = Geoffrey II, Count of Gatinais--Fulk IV, Count on Anjou, 1043-109 -- Fulk V, Count of Anjou, King of Jerusalem, married (1.) Ermengarde of Maine, (2.) Melisende of Jerusalem, daughter of King Baldwin II of Jerusalem, 1089-1143 -- Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou, 1113-1151 -- Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, b.1129-1202, illegitimate son of Geoffrey Plantagenet by an unknown mistress

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Post 315 A: teltalheart's Christmas Message


This is the time of year for gathering with loved one; family and friends to share our good fortune for being so lucky to be connected to each other. It's a time for remembering those less fortunate that ourselves and, hopefully, if we're able, trying to help in some way. It's something we should be doing all year long. But, sadly, something many of us fail to do. I read a sad statistic not long ago, that those with less money most often give a great percentage of what they have, than the wealthy do. How heartbreaking is that! You have so much, yet you can't give? What kind of people are you anyway?

I watch a recent interview between T.V.s John Stewart and Warren Buffett. In the interview Buffett made the comment and gave a scenario of the Billionaires at a table having a feast and whatever crumbs fall off the table the rest of us can have. And he, Buffett, is one of the 'GOOD' Billionaires!

He actually believes the wealthy should pay more in taxes. He pays taxes at a rate, I believe, of about 14%, while his secretary pays taxes at a rate of about 20%. The argument is "but if the rich pay more in taxes they will leave the U.S. or move their business to other countries." I say, let them. A day of reckoning is coming. A tariff needs to be put on foreign goods entering the U.S.. High foreign tariffs existed between 1800 and 1930. It gave the U.S.A. such a great surplus of wealth that this thing called 'PENSIONS' was created. You may have heard of them. That's where someone can quite working when they become elderly and not have to live in poverty. They used to be all the rage here in the good ol' U.S. of A., that is before the politicians and big business industrialists got hold of them. And before the Republican Party and Fox News made out like anyone receiving a pension was stealing from those good, kind, benevolent cutthroat Corporations.

What would high tariffs on foreign goods do? It would make those foreign goods cost more, making American made products more competitive. If they do not want to sell in our market then they can sell else where. They can take their ball and go home. We'll buy the less expensive American made products made by American workers; thereby putting more Americans to work.

Perhaps the companies that moved overseas will think twice about staying there? Perhaps the foreign companies will think about building factories here in order to sell here at less cost and avoid the import tariff. This will put more Americans to work.

If this is combined with lowering taxes on American companies THAT HAVE KEPT ALL PRODUCTION IN THE U.S.A. it will be a double whammy for foreign corporations. So you see there is something that can be done about our most pressing problem. Let us hope in the new year the politicians pull their collective heads out of their nether regions long enough to see a brighter future for us all.

By the way; if you think these Billionaires see you as a dog waiting for scraps, they don't. The small millionaire business men they see as dogs awaiting scraps. You and I who make less than $250,000 a year they see as cockroaches. That's right, they see you and I as vermin scurrying around. From one vermin to another, God Bless You. I hope you have had a good Christmas and this vermin wishes you a Happy New Year!

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Post 312 A: The Welch Princely House of Mathrafal

A look at a family history. To the simpleminded and or the childish there is only bad and good. To the mature and more experienced at life's lessons it's much more complicated.
There is always an agenda that usually if not always involves money, power and influence. Every history involves intrigue, backstabbing (figuratively and literally), compromise (deal making), double dealing, treachery, treason, assassination, harassment and outright murder.

For my ancestors I have found it to be no less so. There always seem to be the matter of fighting over every foot of land and every ounce of power. Here we find mans true nature in jockeying for position. The rich and the poor, strong and weak, common and not so common, proud and prejudice. What we see constantly are groups of people sticking together for their common benefit; or plotting and scheming against each other for their common destruction. As you may or may not know from Post 303 A. Lately I have found that my family are descendants of the Charleton or Cherleton family of England. Apparently descendants of the first Baron John De Charleton of Powys, Wales.

My most immediate ancestor of this line is Mary Ann Charleton or Ann Charleton as she may otherwise be known. Ann Charleton is my great grandmother ten generations removed. She was the wife of Col. Edmund Scarborough of Virginia, married about 1638 to 1640, and the mother of William Scarborough, born 1640.

John De Cherleton, (born 1268) 1st Lord Cherleton of Powis, North Wales, married Hawise, the daughter of Owain ap Gruffydd, the Prince de jure of Powys Wenwynwyn. Research has it that Owain ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn was born in England about 1257 after his father, Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, had been driven into exile in England by Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, ruler of Gwynedd. Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, Welch Prince of Powys Wenwynwyn, was born about 1203 to 1213. This was the second exile of this family. Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn was a child in 1216 when his father, Gwenwynwyn ab Owain, died in exile in England after being forced out of his Powys princedom by Llywelyn ap Gruffudd who in his greed and lust for power by force of the sword took Powys Wenwynwyn from its lawful ruler. Llywelyn's land grabbing had made him unpopular with the other Welch princes, especially those in south Wales. No doubt Llywelyn found an opportunity for military exploitation. Much as any thief finds an open window to gladden his evil heart. Llywelyn thus styled himself "Llywelyn the Great" or "Llywelyn Mawr." The House of Mathrafal was in a struggle throughout the twelfth and thirteenth centuries to retain its land in Powys. They were being squeezed by force of the Norman Marcher (border) lords on one side and a resurgent of the Welch principality of Gwynedd on the other.

Mathrafal's leader Madog ap Maredudd died after 1160 and his son and heir, Llywelwelyn was killed in battle. The realm was divided between north Powys, known as Powys-Fadog, and south Powys, known as Powys-Wenwynwyn. The division weakened Powys dramatically. Fadog favored supporting Gwynedd and their aspirations of independents. This meant supporting Owain Gwynedd, Llywelyn Fawr and Dafydd ap Llywelyn. Powys Wenwynwyn was opposed to Gwynedd on all accounts, mostly for their false claims of their principality. By 1263 Powys Fadog had recognized Llywelyn (the Last) ap Gruffydd as Prince of Wales. By 1274 Prince Gruffydd ap Gwewynwyn allied himself with the English king, the only force strong enough to counter Llywelyn.

After being exiled for supporting the King of England,
the family of Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn was maintained in England by the English king, Henry III. After Llywelyn died Gruffydd returned to Wales. In 1241 Llwelyn's successor, Dafydd ap Llywelyn, was forced to compromise with king Henry III of England. For paying homage to king Henry Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn was given back most of the lands that had been held by his father, Gwenwynwyn ab Owain. Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn married Margaret Corbet and or Hawise LeStrange about c. 1255 or 56. Their son and presumptive heir to the principality of Powys Wenwynwyn was Owain ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, born c. 1257, died c. 1293. Either he or his father, Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, had changed the family surname to 'de la Pole'. This meant "of the Pool" which is the old form of the present day name of "Welchpool." This was the capital of Powys Wenwynwyn.

Founded in 854, in the early days. The House of Dinefwr was the Royal Welch House that ruled Seisyllwg by the descendants of Cadell ap Rhodri King of Seisyllwg, son of Rhodri the Great (Mawr), King of the Britons (Wales). After the death of Rhodri ap Merfyn (the Great) the kingdom of Gwynedd was inherited by his eldest son Anarawd ap Rhodri. The second son, Cadell ap Rhodri, took position of the kingdom of Dyfed (Dinefwr). The family name of the House of Dinefwr is from a citadel that the capital was built around. The kingdoms of Dyfed and Seisyllwg would unit to become the kingdom of Deheubarth under king Hywel Dda in the 10th century. Powys would be ruled at different time between the House of Deheubarth and the House of Aberffraw. The princely House of Mathrafal is a cadet branch of the House of Dinefwr.

Anarawd ap Rhodri, King of Britons, had his kingdom of Gwynedd invaded by AEthelred, Earl of Mercia in 881. With much loss of life Anarawd was able to defeat him at the mouth of the River Conwy. It was looked on as vengeance for the death of king Rhodri the Great who had died in battle against the earldom of Mercia. Anarawd made an alliance with the king of York, a Dane, to bolster his forces should Mercia attack again. This alliance proved to be rather worthless. Anarawd ap Rhodri then made a better alliance with King Alfred the Great. With Saxon allies and King Alfred at his back Anarawd decimated Ceredigion and Ystrad Tywi, which was held by his brother Cadell ap Rhodri, first Prince of the House of Dinefwr in or about the year 895.

The princely House of Mathrafal in Powys continued in the person of Bleffyn ap Cynfyn, king of Powys and Gwynedd, died 1075. He became king of Gwynedd when Gruffudd ap Llywelyn died in 1063. Having acquired Gwynedd to add to their possession of Powys, the House of Mathrafal would jockey for position with their cousin House of Aberffraw and Dinefwr until the final conquest of Wales by England in 1284.

No doubt Gwynedd and Powys were split again in a later inheritance. This occurred in the time of Maredudd ap Bleddyn, born 1047. Maredudd's father, Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, king of Powys and Gwynedd, was killed in 1075. There were three sons who would inheirt, Iorwerth, Cadwgan and Maredudd. The brothers held their lands as vassals of Robert de Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury. The Earl rose in rebellion against King Henry I when called to court to answer charges. The three brothers initially rose in rebellion also to support their overlord. King Henry sent his deputy, William Pantulf, to bribe Iorwerth with promises of large tracks of land to switch sides. Thus, well bribed, Iorwerth led a Welch force that would defeat and banish Earl Robert de Belleme. He then captured his own brother, Maredudd and handed him over to King Henry. In 1077 Maredudd escaped. In his absents Maredudd's nephew, Owain ap Cadwgan, taken over as prince of Powys. Maredudd could only act as his captain of the guard. In 1114 King Henry invaded Wales. Maredudd chose to make peace with King Henry. But his brash nephew Owain chose to fight against the King. As a result Owain was killed in 1116 and Maredudd was again Prince of Powys.

As has already been mentioned, The first exile of the family of the House of Mathrafal (de la Pole) in the person of Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, Prince of Powys Gwenwynwyn, was caused by Llywelyn ap Gruffudd the ruler of Gwynedd probably for daring to continue to compete for the overall lordship of Wales. This even after their seat of power, Mathrafal Castle, had been totally destroyed by Gwynedd in 1212.
Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn c. 1203 - 1286, had supported the English crown. This appears to be much of the cause of his exile to England. This first exile was the result of an effort to push back against the grasping of Llywelyn. After the treaty of Montgomery in 1263 Prince Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn had some of his lands restored for paying homage to Llywelyn ap Gruffudd as Prince of Wales. This treaty was short-lived. Llywelyn's brother, Dafydd ap Gruffydd, promised to give Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn lands once he, Dafydd, was Prince of Wales, if Gruffydd would assassinate Dafydd's brother, Llywelyn. The plot was hatched in 1274 and involved Gruffydd, his wife Hawise, and their son Owain ap Gruffydd. The date set for the assassination was February 2nd, 1274. But a snowstorm prevented the assassination from taking place. The plot was not discovered by Llywelyn until months later. The discovery apparently occurred because Owain confessed to the Bishop of Bangor. Llywelyn sent for Gruffydd to appear before him to answer. But Gruffydd fled to England with his wife Hawise and son Owain. Gruffydd used Shrewsbury to lead raids on Llywelyn's border lands, supported by the king of England. Again a war occurred between the king of England and the Prince of Wales in 1277. As a result Gruffydd was restored to his lands in Powys Wenwynwyn.

Llywelyn and Gruffydd were involved in an increasingly bitter dispute over the lands of Arwystli. King Edward I of England was supported by Gruffydd in the final Welch War of 1282. After the annexation of Wales King Edward I and the council of Shrewsbury abolished the title 'Prince of Powys- Wenwynwyn'. The de la Pole family were reestablished as Marcher Lords. 20,5,12,20,1,12,8,5,1,18,20.

The daughter of Owain ap Gruffydd [de la Pole] and Joan Corbet was Hawise de la Pole. Hawise married John De Cherleton, first Lord Cherleton of Powys. These, as best as I can tell, are my ancestors. One never knows what history will be found when one goes digging into genealogy. I have written this as much for my family as for anyone else. Good luck on all your searches. - M.D. Barnes, a.k.a. teltalheart www.voy.com/40560/

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Subject: Post 309 A: Psycopathy & th Republican Tea Party II


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Post 309 A: Psycopathy & the Republican Party II

I rewrote post 308 A: due to the many spelling errors, which I am likely to commit in the early morning hours whilst half asleep. I have also been dealing with computer viruses and the replacement of a hard drive. Apparently my writings are enough of a threat to someone that I have to be 'monitored'. I, teltalheart, finished my rewrite at 5:08 pm, Friday June 22, 2012 central standard time.

I was wondering if any of you remember a little sit-com that aired about 1981. It was called 'The Greatest American Hero', staring William Katt as Ralph Hinkley and Robert Culp as FBI Agent Bill Maxwell. In many ways this show, along with the 'Night Stalker', was the precursor to the 'X Files'. School Teacher Hinkley is given an outlandish superhero suit, that provides superhuman powers, by extraterrestrials. They were trying to do sort of a 'Welcome back Kotter' super hero/Sci-Fi kind of a thing. In the Pilot Episode a weak Vice-President was being controled by a Wealthy Billionaire Big Business man who has funded his campaign and now plans to eliminate (kill) the President and replace him with his own puppet of a leader. The Wealthy Big Business man has set up a fake religious organization, Disciples of Gidean, whose main purpose is to provide a squeaky-clean image for him to hide behind while all the time setting about terrorizing the nation while he offers to fight the 'terrorists' (which he seceretly controls) and erturn the nation to civility, while under his total control of course.

Such scenarios were all over the place at this time following the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan. But nobody took them seriously. It begain with the Sagebrush Rebellion, which has now morphed into The Tea Party, which catapulted Ronald Reagan into the White House. One would be wise to remember that Ronald Reagan was for a time the cartoon joke candidate when he first announced his bid for the Presidency. In the pilot episode Bill Maxwell (Robert Culp) tells the Disciples of Gidean, "You're about as religious as a Las Vegas Night Club... A bunch of terrorists trying to fake some kind of religion while you stash away the machine guns and grenades". If you don't think military firepower can change a government all you have to do is take a look at Egypt and their recent military coup overthrow of their Arab Spring movement and thereby their hope for democracy.

How odd it is in this case that life should imitate art. In this case the art being a T.V. sit-com. With the end of the Cold War and the traditional enemies of America looming on the horizion in the early years of the 1980s. The American Military-Industrial Complex President Eisenhower had warned us about was in need of another "Boogie Man" to scare the common masses, also known as American citizens, into mass submission to the will of the traditional "privileged classes," also known as the Wealthy and Powerful one percent. The religious threat of Hellfire and Damnation was no longer working. This while the threat of communism was waning. Something had to be found to provide a Scare Factor.

The various intelligence agencies had noted a weakening in the Soviet Union at this time. America was losing its best and most consistant source of public works projects. Just think about all the money it took to develop the hydrogen boom and build the nuclear silos in the midwestern states. Not to mention the nuclear missile launching subs and the B-52 boomers. Let us not forget the money for maintenance, upkeep and improvements.

At this point the Soviet Union was lured into the beleif with false indicators that Afghanistan was going to break away from the Communist Block. Wealthy Socialite Joanne Herring, wife of oilman Robert Herring, (Charlie Wilson's War) lured Senator Charlie Wilson into her bed, according to the movie, then lured him into supporting the Mujahideen resistance fighters in Afghanistan with American money and arms.

This is where Osama bin Laden, son of Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, a friend and one time business partner of George H.W. Bush, got his military training form U.S. Special Forces and CIA operatives. George H.W. Bush and Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden also both share close ties with the Saudi Royal family. Another oil producing magnet.

After driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan, with the help of U.S. money and military aid, for reasons that are still unclear Osama bin Laden turned his attention to attacking Western Nations, in particular the United States. The very nation that had funded the Afghanistan resistance campaign. Could this have been to provide the Military-Industrial Complex with its new "Boogie Man" in the form of "terrorism; a that is somewhat ephemeral so one has a difficult time judging if one is winning or losing?

Here it is thirty-one years since 'The Greatest American Hero' aired and we are still dealing with the same things. But now it's no sit-com. Now it's real. But by now this bunch has achived almost all their goals. George H.W. Bush had almost wiped any future of Social Security with the amount of money he "appropriated" (stole) to make his administrations financial house look much better than it actually was. It made S.S. insolvent now and in the future. If you owe someone a $100 and you only have $90. You are insolvent. The missing money only makes the disparage even greater with time.

Bill Clinton was a Republican stalking horse who allowed big business to sell our nations factories and patents to China. These are the same big business men who ran off with hundreds of billions of dollars from the sale of American manufactoring companies and jobs to China who are now pleading poverty, "because the taxes could go from 36% to 39.6% and that's just too high - waaa, boo, hoo, hoo!"

A right wing religious wing-nut-job organization has been allowed to infiltrate Congress and the Senate on its way to the White House who actually believe they have some kind of divine right to set up a half-assed litmus rest as to who is and is not Christian. This when the fact is their top controllers are themselves controled by the billionaires whose main interest is less money for the middle-class and more, More, MUCH MORE flowing into the coffers of those same billionaires.

With the selection of George W. Bush the sell of American patents and factories to China went into hyper-drive. He also started two wars with the organization headed by Osama bin Laden, the son Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden. Dick Cheney faked a reason to wage war on Iraq; Book: 'The Way of the World', by Ron Suskind. The war made the defense contractors, George W. Bush's buddies, multi-billionaires. They're the same people who, by the way, funded his campaign. Now tell me if you're feeling screwed yet?

The Republican Party, and particularly the Tea Party, are acutely punctuated by their total lack of feeling, sympathy, empathy, or remorse for anyone but themselves. It's a trait most commonly found among psychopaths. While one can give such a test to an individual. One wonders if such a test could be applied to an organization?

It's interesting to note the idea behind Christianity is for the individual, who is caught between good and evil, heaven and earth, right and wrong, to put aside his/her animalistic nature and for the greater enlightenment of good. The idea of Karma, that everything you do will come back to you. It appears the Republicans are much inclined to their animalistic predatory nature.

Much like wolves culling out the weak, old and the very young to kill and devour. Or in the case of Mitt Romney, to take over a company that looks weak and vulnerable yet still has a lot of money invested in the workers pension plan which is ripe for the stealing, or raiding, whichever term you like. Republicans always do the same thing. They claim workers who have worked hard all their lives don't deserve their pensions. They then propose the solution to be that they, the Republicans, steal the money and keep it for themselves. Or better yet to give it to their billionaire buddies in the form of tax breaks. Then just sit back and wait for the big campaign contributions to roll in!

You can bet your ass the Republicans are watching what is happening in Greece. The fact that the Greek Government cut their government retirees pensions in half. The Republicans are probably thinking fo a way they can fake a crisis here and do the same thing to Americas government pension retirees. The Republicans could then give even bigger tax breaks to their bastard billionaire buddies.

There are two lines of thought on money. Idea one, there is a limited amount of pieces in the wealth pie. If one person, such as a billionaire, gets more it means everybody else gets less. Idea two, There is an unlimited amount of pieces in the wealth pie. The Republicans like idea two. Idea two is also a lie, which makes the Republican like it even more. I, teltalheart, can prove it. Do all currencies in ever country have serial numbers on the bills? Yes they do. The currency numbers are NOT unlimited! Every nation can trace every bill of currency it ever produced. Any new produce that comes onto the market takes away from an older product that is going by the wayside. Have you bought and buggy wheels lately?

Well, that's all I have for now. I hope you found it informative.
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Post 308: A, Psycopathy & the Republican Tea Party

I was wondering if any of you remember a little sit-com that aired about 1981. 20, It was called 'The Greatest American Hero'.5, They were trying to do sort of a 'Welcome back Kotter' super hero/Sci-Fi kind of thing. In the Pilot Episode a weak Vice-President was being controled by a Wealthy Big Business man who has funded his campaign and now plans to eliminate (kill) the President and replace him with his own puppet of a weak leader.12, The Wealthy Big Business man has set up a fake religious organization whose main purpose is to provide a squeaky-clean image for him to hide behind while all the time setting about terrorizing the nation while he offers to fight the 'terrorists' (which he seceretly controls) and return the nation to civility; while under his total control of course.

Such scenarios were all over the place at that time.20, But nobody took them seriously.1, It all begain with the ('Sagebrush Rebellion', which has morphed into The Tea Party) which catapulted Ronald Reagan into the White House.12, Remember that Ronald Reagan was the cartoon joke candidate when he first announced his bid for the Presidency.20,5,12,20,1,12,8,5,1,18,20. The Fake Religious Order in the episode was the 'Disciples of Gidean'. Bill Maxwell (Robert Culp) tells them "your about as religious as a Las Vagas Night Club... A bunch of political terrorists trying to fake some kind of religion while you stash away the machine guns and grenades" with the big money business man behind you!

Here it is thirty-one (31 yrs) later and we are still dealing with the same thing. But now it's no sit-com. Now it's real! 8, But by now this bunch has achived almost all thair goals. George H.W. Bush almost wiped out Social Security with the amount of money he stole from it making it now insolvent.5, Clinton was a Republican Stalking Horse who allowed big business to sell our nations factories and patens to China.1, These are the same big business men who ran off with hundreds of billions of dollars and are now pleading poverty, "because the taxes at 39% are just too high - waaa, boo, hoo, hoo!

A right wing religious wing-nut-job organization has been allowed to infiltrate Congress and the Senate on its way to the White House who actually believe they have some kind of divine right to set up a half-assed litmus test as to who is and is not Christian.18, This when the fact is their top controllers are themselves controled by the billionaires whose main interest is less money for the middle-class and more, More, MUCH MORE following into the coffers of those same billionaire.

With the selection of George W. Bush the sell of American patens and factories to China went into hyper-drive.20, He also started two wars with the organization headed by Osama Binladen; the son of one of his father's, George H.W. Bush, best friends and closest business partners. Dick Caheney faked a reason to wage war on Iraq, Book: 'The Way of the World', by Ron Suskind. The war make the Defence Contractors (G.W. Bush's buddies) multi-billionaire. These are the same people who, by the way, funded his campaign. Tell me, do you get the feeling yet that you're being screwed?

The Republican Party, and particularly the Tea Party portion are acutely punctuated by their total lack of feeling, sympathy, empathy, or remorse for anyone else but themselves. It's a trait most commonly found amoung psychopaths. teltalheart, While one can give such a test to a individual. One wonders if such a test could be applied to a organization?
Here are some of their traits:
1. Glib and superficial charm
2. Grandiose self-worth
3. Need for stimulation or prone to boredom
4. Pathological lying
5. Conning and manipulative
6. Lack of remorse or guilt
7. Shallow affect
8. Lack of Empathy
9. Parasitic lifestyle
10. Poor behavioral control
11. Promiscuous sexual behavior
12. Early behavior problems
13. Lack of realistic long-term goals
14. Impulsivity
15. Irresponsibility
16. Failure to accept responsibility for actions
17. Many short-term marital relationships
18. Juvenile Delinquency
19. Revocation of condition release
20. Criminal versatility

While a few of these will fit most people. A psychopath will have much more. It certainly seem to fit Wall Street, a.k.a. too big to fail Big Business!
I once had a fair-weather friend at work, now medically retired, who seemed to fit many if now all of these traits. He, I'm told, would steal my work from this web site voy.com/40560/ and claim it as his own, because he was to lazy to think up anything himself. I am the first one to admit we send way too much money to other countries. Many are countries that hate us. But, I am all for completely breaking relations with China. And, because of reasons already mentions in other posts, declaring ourselves free of any debt we supposedly owe them. You can also bet your ass the Republicans are watching what is going on in Greece. The fact that they cut thair government retires pention in half and thinking how they can fake a crisis and do the same thing here so they can give even a bigger tax break to the bastard billionaires!

Well that's all for now.
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Post 307 A: DNA Addition Subject

Rereading post 306 A: it might sound like sour grapes on my part what with caucasians having had so much already. But my ire was based solely on the fact of King Tut's R1b1a2 Celtic DNA and its removal from wikipedia. It is true that someone can have Y-DNA such as African E1b1a and be as white as snow. I would simply mean this person has a African male ancestor in their not too distant past. Not too distant might mean 500 to 2000 years ago. However, the vast majority of males with Y-DNA of R1b1a2 are going to be Western Europian Caucasians. The vast majority of males with Y-DNA of E1b1a are going to be Negor.

It is also true that a black male might have R1b1a2 Y-DNA which whould mean he has a male ancestor who was of European ancestry and this has been past down to him from his father and his father's father etc., etc. I have J2b1b mt-DNA from my mother which is located in its greatest degree in Azerbaijan. It would seem to indicate I should have dark hair, dark eyes and olive skin. But I have blue eyes, white skin, and I used to have blond hair before age took its toll. I am short, at only five seven, as DNA of that region would indicate.

Race and race relation is can be a strange thing. I've heard about white males being beaten up by gangs of black youths in revenge for the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmermon. I aks myself "really, you mean you gangs found a guy who was half jewish, one quarter hispanic and one quarter black to beatup?" That was as I understand it the racial admixture of George Zimmermon.

But no, that's not what they did. They heard someone had killed a young black male so the jumped the the conclusion that it must have been done by somebody white! Welcome to "let's find a reason to hate whitey" month. It's seems that three news channels lied about Zimmermon and had to retract statments. One said he didn't have any visable head wound and had to retract that statement when it was shown that he did. One cut out part of the 911 tape conversation to make it look like Zimmermon was prejudice and hunting blacks to shoot. They then had to retract that when it was discovered what they had done.

If I were a black politician like Jesse Jackson, and had checked on the race of Zimmermon. I would had run from this thing like there was no tomorrow. I guess Jesse just wasn't that bright. Not to mention Jesse Jackson's son was the number one bider for the vacant spot left in congress by Obama that was being auctioned off by Rob Bloggoyavich. Yes I know it's not spelt right. But the damn computer doesn't want to work right.

This case gave black people a black mark all the way around. What if it had been an off duty law enforcement officer on vaction, such as myself, who was in the same situation and had shot Martin? What would the media and the black community had done then?

As fare as I'm concerned. When a group of people threaten violence if they don't get what they want; it's no different then a four year old brat throughing a temper tantrum because it didn't get what it wanted. Bill Maher showed a video on his HBO Real Time show of a small group of about ten black people protesting. This when I clearly saw from a helicopter's view a group of about 2000 protesters a couple of weeks earlier. So Bill Maher lied.

So what else is new? But the Republicans lie much more. I have heard republican pundit on the radio saying the rich pay 75% in tax! I believe the highest tax rate is between 46% and 53%, if I'm not mistaken.

I have this acquaintance I will refer to as "cadet". He is all of 23 years old. He's had it drilled into him that all Democrat "liberals" are evil. He tell me he's against all these kind hearted "liberal" giveaways to other countries and too the poor. i point out that the old and the sick many times just cant make it without government aid. He abruptly changes his tune and says " well I din't mean those people". He then goes right back to his old tune about how the rich pay 90% of the taxes in this country and how he believes the rich should get every dime the earn! Well that's just it. The rich don't "earn" every dime they get. It's usually their money earning money. They invest in criminal corporations that treat workers like dogs and send jobs overseas to make a bigger profit. i find out from cadet that he hates the IRS and thinks they should be disbanded. I find out he used to work for his father in heating & cooling. It seems dad would take cash payments for some jobs. It also seem dad was audited by the IRS. Go figure!

The other day I heard a Republican Radio Pundit talking about how much he loved the lodge a Yellow Stone National Park. I thought to myself if the industrialists of yesteryear had had their way Yellow Stone would be a toxic waste dump now. They wanted to Dam the river for hydroelectric power and cut down all the trees for lumber. Fortunately Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt was a republican of a different strip, and created Yellow Stone as the National Park it is today. I myself was a Reagan republican. The Democrats moved to where the old Reagan republicans used to be, center right. The Republican party moved way the hell to the right, into Christian Taliband Land; next door to insanity ville.

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Post 305 A: Happy St. Patrick's Day

St. Patrick's Day 2012 have come and gone. I hope you had a lovely day. It's seem there are very few who celebrate it any more. That's sad to me. Bill Maher was in Huntsville, Alabama today. I didn't go see him because I couldn't afford $111.00 for two seats. I had to buy other luxury items like food and gasoline.

President Obama doesn't seem to have any ideas on how to bring down the price of gas. The ultimate way of doing this is to Nationalize The Oil Companies! But no rich, greedy bastard will ever support this kind of bold action be he/she Republican or Democrat. The other way of doing this is to build a U.S. Government owned Oil Refinery. This because the oil companies haven't built a new refinery in 40 years. They use the excuse of there not being enough refineries to produce fuel fast enough to meet public demand as a way of keeping gas prices high!

This will solve some of that problem. The Government can even call it a 'National Defence Strategy' in case of a national emergency. It's interesting isn't it, how Iran rattles it's sword and the price of oil goes up? Iran, Iraqi, Russia, Venezuela and the Texas oil men all makes money! All while the politicians, all of them, do nothing. Now how convenient is that. Geez you don't suppose the politician, both Repubs and Dems, are in on this do you? No, surely they wouldn't do a thing like that to you and I!

"There might still be somebody in the public non-one percenter sector with some money in their pocket; let's find a way to get at it," seems to be their ideology.

Anyway, Happy belated St. Patrick's Day to ya'.

MILESIUS ANCESTRY:
"Adam, Seth, Enos (Enosh), Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jarad, Mathuselah, Lamach, Noah (Utnapishtim), Japhet, Magog, Boath, Phoeniuas Farsaidh (Fenius Farsa), Niul (Nenuall) = Scota, dau. of Pharaoh Cincris (Cincris a.k.a. Semenkhkare a.k.a Aaron), Gaodhal (Gathelus/Gaelic), Asruth, Scuth, Heber Scut, Beouman, Ogaman, Tait, Agnon, Lamhfionn, Heber Glunfionn, Agnan Fionn, Febric Glas, Nenuall, Nuadhad, Alladh, Arcadh, Deag, Brath, Breoghan (Brigus/Brian), Bile', Milesius (Galamh) of Spain", This from http:// crossedbrushstudio.com/windowsintoourpast/Vol1/milesius.html

In legend King Milesius sent an army to explore Ireland about 1500 B.C. His son whom he had sent to lead the army was killed by three Irish Kings (The Danans). [20,5,12,20,1,12,8,5,1,18,20]
"Milesius was instrumental in defending Egypt from the King of Ethiopia. Milesius turned his attention northward to Ireland to fulfill an ancient Druidic prophecy. His remaining sons conquered Ireland. heremon, eldest son of Milesius, reigned in Ireland for fourteen years. His brothers, Herber, Ir and Ithe, named the land Scota or Scotia, their mother's name, the land of the Scots. This name would later be taken by the Irish King Colla in 357 A.D., when he was exiled to Scotland, leaving the name Ir-land, land of the Ir, the youngest of the sons of Milesius." - This from http://www.clanconnelly.com/history/clanconnelly.html

Clan Connelly, (O'Conghaile or O'Conghalaigh) is a branch of the Clan O'Neill or MacNeill. Personally I can see the beginning of the name Connelly in the name Colla as in Collally or Colaley, into Conaley. As you may already know I am a member of the Clan Connelly, MacGregor, MacAlpin. I am also a member of the Clan McClung a.k.a. MacLurg/McLurg/M'Lorg/M'Lorc/M'Lork/M'Lurgh/M'Lurge/M'Lurgg/M'Clurg descended from Lorigire Lork, and early king of Ireland. This because my ancestor Aaron Tate, b.1785, was the son of Robert Hood Tate, Sr. and Margaret "Mary" McClung, b. abt.1755, daughter of John McClung, b.1731-d.1817, and Elizabeth Alexander, b.1735.

Parents of John McClung:
F. William McClung, b. bef.1707-
M. Elizabeth "Eliza" Willis

F. James McClung, b. abt.1679-d.abt.1744
Born in County Tyrone, Ireland. Died in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania

F. John McClung, born in Scotland between 1650 and 1670

Parents of Elizabeth Alexander:
F. Archibald Alexander, b.1707-d.1780, born at Manor Cunningham, Ireland. Died at Timber Ridge, Rockbridge Co., Virginia.
m. Margaret Parks, b.bef.1717-d.1755

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Subject: Post 304 A: A Correction of Post 303 A:


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Post 304 A: A Correction of Post 303 A:

In Post 303 A:, I stated my Aunt Bertha had "a son and two daughters." The true fact is Aunt Bertha has a son and three daughters. I will not name my four cousins or my younger brother without their permission.

I could blame my mistake on a number of things. But, the simple truth is I was going too fast and not watching what I was doing. I suppose I was just happy to be finished typing that long genealogical chart. Other than that, I have no excuse. I certainly didn't intend to slight any member of my family. Though we never seem to see much of each other they are very dear to me.

I really need to 'get up', (a.k.a. see), with them some time. I just never seem to have the time. Yes, I know! I need to make time for them. To you, all my family members, close, distant and as yet unknown; all my love.

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Subject: Post 303 A: (Mary) Ann Charleton - 1621.


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Post 303 A: (Mary) Ann Charleton - 1621.


1. Claudia, dau. of Crispus, brother of Emperors Claudius II and Quintillus = Eutropius
2. Roman Emperor Constantius I, Chlorus = St. Helena
3.Constantine I, The Great, Roman Emperor from 306 to 337 = Minervina
4. Flavius Julius Crispus = wife was dau. of Maximus Galerius Daia
5. Magnus Maximus Augustus, (Macsen Wledig in Welch), Western Roman Emperor of Briton, Gaul (France) and Spain from 383 to 388 AD = Ceindrech verch Rheiden
6. dau. Gratian verch Macsen Wledig = Tudwal ap Gwrfawr
7. Brychan ap Anlach Regulus = Pawst verch Tudwal
8. dau. Gwawr verch Brychan = Elidir ap Meirchian Gul
9. Llywarch "Hen" ap Elidir =
10. Dwg ap Llywarch =
11. Gwair ap Dwg = Anna Margawse, dau. of Uther Pendragon
12. Tegid ap Gwair, Prince of Deheubarth =
13. Alcwn ap Tegid, Prince of Deheubarth =
14. Sandde ap Alcwn = Celeinion verch Tudwal
15. Elidir ap Sandde, Prince of Deheubarth =
16. Gwriad ap Elidir, Prince of Deheubarth = Nest ferch Cadell, Queen of Powys
17. Merfyn "Ferych" ap Gwriad = Esyllt verch Cynan, Queen of Wales
18. Rhadria ap Merfyn, The Great = Angharad verch Meurig, Queen of South Wales
19. Cadell ap Rhadria, King of Deheubarth, b.854=Rheingar, Princess of Denmark
20. Hywel Dda ap Cadell, King of Britons, b.880=Elen verch Llywarch
21. Owain ap Hywal, King of Deheubarth, d.987 = Angharad verch Llewelyn
22. Maredudd ap Owain, King of Deheubarth, Gwynedd, Powys, d. 999=
23. dau. Princess Angharad ferch Maredudd = Cynfyn ap Gwerstan, Baron of Powys
24. Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, King of Powys and Gwynedd, d. 1075 =
25. Maredudd ap Bleddyn, Prince of Powys, c.1047-1132 =
26. Gruffydd ap Maredudd, (brother of Madog ap Maredudd, Prince of Powys) =
27. Owain ap Gruffydd "Cyfeiliog" c.1130-1197, Prince of South Powys=
28. Gwenwynwyn ab Owain "Cyfeiliog", d.1216, King of Middle Wales=
29. Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, Prince of Powys Wenwynwyn, d.1286,=Hawise Le Strange
30. Owain ap Gruffydd (de la Pole), Prince de jure of Powys Wenwynwyn, d.1293=
31. dau. Hawise = John De Cherleton, 1st Lord Cherleton of Powis, North Wales
32. Alan De Charleton, Knt. of Apley Castle, d.1286=Elena La Zouche, dau. of Alan, Knt.
33. Alan De Charleton, c.1318-1349 at Apley Castle = Margery Fitzaer
34. Thomas De Charleton, c.1345-1387 at Apley Castle = Anna
35. Thomas De Charleton, c.1370-1440 at Apley Castle = Elizabeth Francis
36. Robert De Charleton, c.1410-1471 = Mary Corbet, b. abt.1418
37. Richard Charleton, c. 1440-1522 = Anne Mainwaring, dau. of William and Margaret
38. William Charleton, c.1480-1532 = Alice or Anna Horde
39. Richard Charleton, b. abt. 1495 =___Eyton
40. Robert Charleton, b. abt. 1524 = Dorothy Browne or Braine
41. Richard Charleton, b. abt. 1554 =
42. Edward Charleton, c.1585-1660, Leeds Parish, Yorkshire, Eng., = Clayar Walker
43. dau. Mary Ann Charleton, c.1621-aft.1677 = Col. Edmund Scarborough, Va., b.1617
44. William Scarborough, b.1640 = Amy Holdsworth
45. Edward Scarborough, b. 1666 =
46. dau. Mary Scarborough, b.1695 = Daniel Dugger or Duggard
47. William Dugger, b. 1720 = Martha
48. Benjamin Dugger, b. 1747 = Elizabeth
49. David Dugger, b. 11 Nov. 1777 Wilkes Co., N.C. = Margaret Ernest
50. Henry Dugger, b. 14 June 1809 Ashe Co., N.C. = Sarah Green
51. Hardin G. Dugger, b. 1840 = Rebecca Jenkins
52. Linnville Andrews Dugger, b. 1872 Sweetwater, Tenn. = Mary Ada Puryear of Scottsboro, Ala., dau. of Solomon S. Puryear
53. dau. Rosa Grace Dugger, b.1904 Stevenson, Ala., = Wiley Sanford Barnes
54. Childern:(1)Ruby Cathrine, b. 1929 (2)Bertha Aliene, b. 1933 (3)Robert, b. abt. 1935 (4)Thelma Louise, b. 1938.
Ruby Cathrine had issue, two sons. Bertha Aliene had issue, a son and two daughters.



P.S., The day after I wrote Post 298 A: I went to the Huntsville Public Library to see if I could find any evidence anywhere of the existance of Ann Charleton. In the book 'Wills and Administrations of Accomack County, Virginia 1663 - 1800' Compiled and Edited by Stratton Nottingham, I found the following:

Wills & Deeds 1676-1690(vi) "SCARBOROUGH, HENRY - Not dated - Rec, 26 May 1676 - To Grandmother Ann Charleton cattle & increase for life then to nephews Bennony & Jonathan West, sons of Maj. John West. To aunt, Mrs Matilda West. To nephew John West the younger. To nephew Scarborough West. Uncle John West Ex'r. To Hatton Hill, son of Robert Hill. Witt: William Towers, Robert Watsone - p.6". I found this on page 8 of this book.

All documents show Col. Edmund Scarborough having a potential spouse by the name of "Mary" sent by ship from England. It's possible that her name was Mary Ann Charleton. It's also just as possible that he may have married and then divorced Mary Littleton. He might possible then have then married Ann Charleton. She being his second spouse.

Records of the Assembly of the House of Burgesses in Virginia show a Stephen Charleton in attendance right beside the name of Edmund Scarborough on February 17th 1644-5 and again on November 3rd 1647. This from 'The Colonial Virginia Register'. I must assume this is Ann's brither. He has also been said in other writings to be called "Captain Stephen Charleton". Ancestry.com records seem to indicate this Stephen Charleton was buried in England.

The above genealogical chart information came from:
(1) On line LDS records.
(2) Wikipedia
(3) Wiki - werelate
(4) Ancestry.com
(5) Barnes family genealogical records

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Subject: Post 300 A: New DNA Results; R1b1a2


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Post 300 A: New DNA Results; R1b1a2

I have had a new DNA test done by FamilyTreeDNA. I originally only had the 37 marker Y-DNA test done. I have now had the 67 marker Y-DNA test run. I was originally said to be R1b1b2 in the 37 marker test. In the 67 marker test I'm now told by FamilyTreeDNA that I am R1b1a2 Y-DNA. This seems to mostly indicate old Breton, Welch and Irish. If one goes to wikipedia and search for R1b (Y-DNA) one gets a great deal of information on the subject.

If one goes to http://able2know.org/topic/175546-1 one finds out that "King Tut is Haoplogroup R1b1a2 (Celtic)" DNA. Apparently the information is so explosive the Egyptian authorities will not officially release it. Such a thing would be stupid on their part because truth will always come out.

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Subject: Post 299 A: Communicapitalism, the new age!


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Post 299 A: Communicapitalism, the new age!

It's a term I've been toying with, 'Communicapitalism', a combination of the words Communism and Capitalism. Why, becuase this is what we have in China today between American companies and the Communist Chinese Government.

Let me tell you a little story, a true story. A few month ago I was at a gas station, in uniform, refueling my patrol vehicle. I had an old man of about sixty five or seventy come up to me and start up a conversation. He wanted to talk about all these welfare mothers and "these black men that go around and have sex with them and get them pregnant so they can draw more welfare." I informed him that corporate welfare was far greater of a burden on the American public then social welfare has ever been in any time in history. We will also never be able to change the road to destruction and financial impoverishment we're on until we stop dealing with Communist China altogether, until we stop American companies from bring in Chinese made products into the United States.

He said to my amazement, "China is not Communist"! "Besides," he said "you're on the government dole"! He then stormed off.

I got to thinking, which I know is dangerous for me. There should be a snicker in there somewhere. But, I got to thinking how these people who are Limbough listening, Fox watching, and right wing Republican voting had to twist and warp their minds around the fact that American corporations left American shores and set up shop in Communist China with the help of a private bank set up in the era of Ronald Reagan that took money from American workers via tax dollars, to help set up factories in Communist China in order to put American workers out of their jobs!

After all, what was the Vietnam Conflict all about?
Wasn't that war to stop the Communist menace from spreading it's tentacles to other, supposedly, free nations? Why did fifty thousand ( 50,000 ) American men and women die? Not even counting the hundreds of thousands of wounded, maimed, and crippled for life! Oh, but they are on the government dole, right.

It had to have took nothing less than a form of 'Stockholm Syndrome' on the part of the right wing American people who are not at all wealthy yet vote Republican!

If anyone does not already know, Stockholm Syndrome is when a person who is being held captive against their will starts to identify with their captor, and will even defend their captor. It's a mental survival mechanism for dealing with horrific situations.

The fervor with which the common near poverty righ wing class has supported the wealthy fat-cat Republican party comes close to being almost the same way one feels and interprets ones religion. In fact it is almost if not the exact same.

Ergo wealthy and powerful equals loved by God. It's much the same way one identifies with the classroom bully in hopes that he doesn't pick on them next. But they are being picked on. And they have to be made to see that they are being picked on. Why do you think the GOP hates Public Radio and Public Television so much? They hate any venue that tell the truth, especially about them.

But wait a minute, was Jesus wealthy? No?

The present class warfare was started by wealthy Republicans in Congress and the White House in 1969 under the Nixon Administration. It was carried through to the Reagan, Clinton, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush Administrations. One could even say it started in Congress in 1947.

These Republican politicans have all claimed they have been "called by God" to run. When the truth is they have been called only by whatever billionaire or corporation has decided to back them; that and their own huge ego. But then again, $ money $, in todays Communicapitalism world is God, isn't it. Just ask the person who is about to be evicted from their home because they don't have the money to pay their mortage because their job went over seas. Or the child who doesn't have anything to eat because their parents unemployment ran out, because their job went over seas courtesy of politicans who have told the common working class that the wealthy and the corporation are all powerful and sent directly from God and are not to be questioned. But then again, those poor people are on the government dole, aren't they.

It just constantly amazes me how easily the American public is fooled.

They have told these people "if you work hard and get a good education you have a future." They work hard and get good educations only to find they have huge student loans that can not be settled or dismissed in bankruptcy court. There are also no jobs to use that good education in, because they have almost all gone over seas.

They chose China because it was Communist. They have tight government control over their people. They also have hundreds of thousands of police. If anyone dares raise the question of a Union they're meet with a stick to the head, a kick to the gut, and imprisonment. It is the same thing the wealthy used to do in this country, and wish they could do again.

The American public has also been nickeled and dimed to death. I have found Cracker Barrel pulling bait and switch tricks on their menu. Yesterday I was cheated out of about fifty dollars ($50) at my home town Scottsboro Walmart. I bought a pair of progressive lens glasses. I determined in a few days that I couldn't wear them. I reordered a pair of single vision. Within an hour I had got to thinking, my Dr. said I needed a bifocal. So I decided to get a line bifocal. Davis Insurance covers single vision and line bifocal at the same rate, total. But, I was charged $92.

Do you remember the old Walmart; the one when Sam was alive? They would only buy American made products. It's not that way now, is it! Everything they sell seems to be made in China.

Well, that's all I have time for. Goodnight.

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Subject: Post 298 A: A Continuation of Post 297 A:


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Post 298 A: A Continuation of Post 297 A:

There are several mistakes on the web site http://scarborough3.htm for it to be accurate.

In this it states:
'"[Special Note#1 regarding the name "Mary Littleton"]

According to Southerland McColley on January 22, 2004 (smcc@mohawk.net): A "Mary Littleton," daughter of Sir Edward Littleton and sister to Col. Nathaniel Littleton, married Gilbert Jones,II as recorded in: Worcester Visitation of 1634, Harleian Society 90:64 (1938). She did not marry Edmund Scarborough II."'

In Post 297 I stated what I had found in the "[PCC Act Books]".
It states Mary Jones is the wife of Evan Jones. It does not state Mary Jones is the wife of a Gilbert Jones. This web site I have mentioned justifies that this "Mary Jones" is wife of this Gilbert Jones by the, "Worcester Visitation of 1634." It also states:
"The Colonel took his business very seriously. On a trading trip in 1651 to the Indians on the Delaware River, his vessel 'Sea Horse' was boarded and taken by the Dutch."

It states on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Scarborough, "In 1652, Scarborough sold his seven ships (Deliverance, Mayflower, King David, Sea Horse, Holly Horse, Ann Clear, and Artillery) to William Burton of Boston."

If Col. Edmund Scarborough Sr.s' son, Edmund Scarborough II, did not own the Sea Horse in 1725 what would have been the significants of this Evan Jones and Mary Jones claiming this vessel in the "[PCC Act Books]"?

As I have already stated this web page, http://scarboroughgenealogy.org/Scarborough3.htm, states wrongly: "That this is correct is shown by an application dated 28 Feb 1633/34 by Mary Jones for a grant of administration dbn on the estate of her father Sir Edward Littleton of Henley, Salop [PCC Act Books]."

But the application was for the ship Sea Horse which Col. Edmund Scarborough had once owned, and this application was made in 1725 not "1633/34," as stated.
It States in the [PCC Act Books]: "Davis, John, of H.M. ship Sea Horse, who died in Boston, New England. Probate to Evan Jones with similar powers reserved to his wife, Mary Jones. (Feb. 1755)."

In this the [PCC Act Books] as stated on Post 297 A: It does NOT mention Sir Edward Littleton at all. It only mentions William Littleton as: "Graham, John, of Charles Town, South Carolina, bachelor. Probate to William Littleton. (May 1755)."

It almost seems this web page on "scarboroughgenealogy" is an around about shuffle to confuse or convince those not willing to look futher.

I will further state what is said in 'Southern Kith and Kin,' by Jewell Davis Scarborough, Copyright (C)1957, on Col. Edmund Scarborough. It States:
"2. Col. Edmund Scarborough, 1 the second son of Captain Edmond Scarborough and Hannah Butler Scarborough, came to America with his father. He married Mary Littleton, 2 daughter of Col. Nathaniel Littleton, in England, and patented vast tracts of land in Virginia. (Mary Scarborough did not come over with her husband, but arrived in 1640, brought over by her husband, Edmund Scarborough, of Accamac, according to Greer.)"

I am guessing "Greer" would be, (Greer, George Cabell, 'Early Virginia Immigrants', 1978.)

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Subject: Post 297 A: An Internet Falsehood Correction, 01/02/12


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Post 297 A: An Internet Falsehood correction, 01/02/12.

Searching for information on the Scarboroughs on the internet I happened upon a site, http://scarboroughgenealogy.org/Scarborough3.html, by Cynthia McDaniel.

I found on this site a "Special Note" regarding Mary Littleton. According to someone who had e-mailed Mrs. Daniel on the net "Mary Littleton...married Gilbert Jones,II" and not Col. Edmund Scarborough.

They included this:
"That this is correct is shown by an application dated 28 Fed 1633/34 by Mary Jones for a grant of administration dbn on the estate of her father Sir Edward Littleton of Henley, Salop [PCC Act Books]."

I went to the Huntsville, Alabama Public Library, Genealogical Section today, January 02, 2012. Indeed they do have this "PCC Act Books]. It's 'American Wills & Administration in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1610-1857', Compiled by Peter Wilson Coldham.

I asked the librarian about the books the "[PCC Act Books]" might be. She looked on the computer and said "we have it under Reference H929.3." She showed me the books.
I looked in the index for "Jones, Mary" and "Littleton", any Littleton. I found only one Littleton on page 127.

It read as follows:
"Graham, John, of Charles Town, South Carolina, bachelor. Probate to William Littleton. (May 1755)."

Under the index for "Jones, Mary" I found only one reference. It was on page 83. It read as follows:

"Davis, John, of H.M. ship Sea Horse, who died in Boston, New England. Probate to Evan Jones with similar powers reserved to his wife, Mary Jones.(Feb.1725)."

That is all! That's all there was! I have paper copies I made so I could prove it. On the web site I mentioned there was a reference also to the "Shropshire Archaeloogical Society, Series 4, Vol. III, Part 2 (1913), p.307." The librarian looked it up for me and wouldn't you know it, the oldest that exists of that reference here in the good ol' U.S.A. is at the University of Florida. It goes back to the 1920s addition. To get the 1913 you have to go to England. It seems someone went to a great deal of trouble to try and disinherit the Scarborough descendent from there true bloodline.

It seem the book 'Southern Kith and Kin', by by Jewell Davis Scarborough, (C)1957, is probably the most correct.

It reads:
"2. Col. Edmond Scarborough, 1 the second son of Captain Edmond and Hannah Butler Scarborough, came to America with his father. He married Mary Littleton, 2 daughter of Col. Nathaniel Littleton, in England, and patented vast tracts of land in Virginia."

I hope this corrects this mistake someone made accidentally or intentionally.

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Subject: Post 296 A: Correction of Post 295 A: Dec. 31, 2011


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Post 296 A: Correction of Post 295 A: Dec. 31, 2011

I wish to correct a spelling error I made in Post 295 A:.
Under reference number (2) I made a misspelling of the title of that Reference Book. I wrote "Plantagent Ancestry". It should have been "Plantagenet Ancestry" by Douglas Richardson. I also left off the '(son)' appellation in front of "Coel I" as indicating him, Coel I, as the son of Penardun and Marius.

Due to the nature of human being, or should I say the propensity for illicit relationships of human beings, it is impossible to prove with 100% certainty before the advent of DNA a true family bloodine. No matter how "Royal" that bloodline may be. One thing about it. A man, before the advent of DNA, could never be sure a child by his wife or mistress was his. A woman always knows a child is hers. Thus the reason the 'Royal' bloodlines of the early Egyptians, Celts, and Hebrews, just to name a few, was held in the female line.

There will always be naysayers to any genealogy, no matter how well researched it might be. I have seen well respected genealogists write books and make obvious mistakes. As time goes on genealogy usually gets better with the advent of more information. But not always. In some cases older records may be more accurate. In some cases the researcher may have known something he or she failed to write down for posterity.

My genealogy on this particular line stands as is. Unless I see something that proves otherwise to me. It is what it is. I will say this; it is at least as accurate, if not more so, than that of Henry Charles Albert David Windsor, Prince of Wales, a.k.a. Prince Harry.

At any rate the chart references on Post 295 A: should have been thus:


(1) Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by Sir Laurence Gardner; (C) Element Books Limited 1996, & Text (C) Chevalier Labhran 1996.
(2) Plantagenet Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson; (C) Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 2004.
(3) Southern Kith and Kin, by Jewell Davis Scarborough (C) 1957.
(4) http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Henry_Dugger_%2810%29, and www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Daniel_Dugger_%281%29...etc.
(5) Genealogical records of Michael D. Barnes, a.k.a. teltalheart on www.voy.com/40560/

And, HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE, 2012!

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Subject: Post 295 A: A Genealogy; December 29, 2011


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A Genealogy; December 29, 2011

Joseph of Arimathea (St. James the Just) AD 1-82 = Ann
(dau.) Anna = Bran (Bron the Blessed)High Druid Priest of Wales
(dau.) Penardun = Marius, King of Siluria, grandson of Emperor Claudius Ceasar AD 41-45
Coel I, (old King Cole, Cole Hen) = ?
(son) Lleiffer Mawr, (King Lucius) = ?
(dau.) Gladys = Cadvan of Cumbria
(son) Coel II = ?
(son) Cunedd c. 300 = ?
(son) Cursalen = ?
(son) Fer = ?
(son) Confer = ?
(son) Cluim = ?
(son) Cinhil = ?
(son) Cynlop = ?
(son) Ceretic Guletic c.450 = ?
(son) Cinuit = ?
(son) Dyfnwal Hen = ?
(dau.) Ingenach = Brychan of Manau
(dau.) Lluan = Gabran of Scots, c.548
(son) Aedan Mac Gabran (Pendragon) d. 608 = ?
(son) Eochaid Buide = ?
(son) Donald Brec = ?
(son) Domangart = ?
(son) Echaid d. 696 = ?
(son) Eochaid = ?
(son) Aed Find = ?
(son) Eochaid d. 781 = ?
(son) King Alpin of Scots (King of Dalriada 833-841) = ?
(son) King Kenneth Mac Alpin, K. 841-858 = ?
(son) King Constantine I(Causantin macCinaeda 862-877)=?
(son) King Donald II = ?
(son) King Malcolm I of Scotland = ?
(son) King Kenneth II of Scotland = ?
(son) King Duncan I of Scotland = ?
(son) King Malcolm III = Margaret, sole heiress of the Saxon Royal Line
(dau.) Mathilda = Henry I, son of William 'The Conqueror'
(dau.) Mithilda/Maud = Geoffrey V, Count of Anjou & Duke of Normandy
(son) Henry II, King of England = by a mistress, Ida
(son) William Longespee, Knt. Earl of Salisbury = Ela of Salisbury.
(dau.) Ida Longespee = William De Beauchamp, Knt., Bedford, Bedfordshire.
(dau.) Maud De Beauchamp = Roger De Mowbray, Knt., Thirsk, Yorkshire.
(son) Roger De Mowbray, Knt., 1st Lord Mowbray = Rose De Clare.
(son) John De Mowbray, Knt., 2dn Lord Mowbray = Aline De Brewes.
(son) John De Mowbray, Knt., 3rd Lord Mowbray = Joan of Lancaster (desc. of King Henry III).
(son) John De Mowbray, Knt., 4th Lord Mowbray = Elizabeth De Segrave (desc. of King Edward I).
(dau.) Margaret Mowbray = Reginald Lucy, Knt., of Dallington, Northamptonshire.
(son) Walter Lucy, Knt., of Dallington, Northamptonshire = Eleanor L'Arcedekne.
(dau.) Eleanor Lucy = Thomas Hopton, Knt., of Staunton-on-Arrow, Herefordshire.
(dau.) Elizabeth Hopton = Roger Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Shropshire.
(dau.) Mary Corbet = Thomas Thornes, Esq., of Shelvock (in Ruyton-of-the-Eleven-Towns), Shropshire.
(son) Roger Thornes = Jane Kynaston, dau. of Roger Kynaston, Knt., and Elizabeth Gray (desc. of K. Henry IV).
(son) John Thornes = Elizabeth Astley, dau. of Richard Astley, Esq., (desc. of Geoffrey Plantagenet) and Joan Oteley.
(son) Richard Thornes = Margaret or Joan, dau. of Ieuan Llwyd Fychan, of Abertenent.
(dau.) Alice Thornes b.1530 = Rev. John Littleton
(son) Edward Littleton, Knt.,(Chief Justice of Wales) = Mary Walter, dau. of Edmund Walter, Knt., Ludlow,
Shropshire.
(son) Col. Nathaniel Littleton, Esq., b.1605 = Anna Southy, dau. of Henry Southy, Esq., of Virginia.
(dau.) Mary Littleton = Col. Edmond Scarborough 1617-1671, born in England. Settled on the Eastern Shore of Va.
(son) William Scarborough, b.1640 = Amy Holdsworth
(son) Edward Scarborough, b. 1666 = ?
(dau.) Mary Scarborough, b. 1695 = Daniel Dugger or Duggard.
(son) William Dugger, b.1720 = Martha
(son) Benjamin Dugger, b.1747 = Elizabeth
(son) David Dugger, b.11 Nov.1777 Wilkes Co., NC = Margaret Ernest.
(son) Henry Dugger, b.14 Jun 1809 Ashe, NC = Sarah Green.
(son) Hardin G. Dugger, b.1840 = Rebecca Jenkins
(son) Linnville Andrews Dugger, b.1872 Sweetwater, Tenn. = Mary Ada Puryear, dau. of solomon S. Puryear, of Granville, North Carolina.
(dau.) Rosa Grace Dugger, b.1904 Stevenson, Ala. = Wiley Sanford Barnes.
(dau.) Ruby Cathrine Barnes, b.1929 = Dave Franklin Jackson, of Summerville, Ga.
(son) Michael D. Barnes, Knight Templar of the York Rite., a.k.a. teltalheart on the internet.

End Post 295 A: www.voy.com/40560/ teltalheart=Michael D. Barnes.

References:
(1)Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by Sir Laurence Gardner; (C) Element Books Limited 1996, & Text (C) Chevalier Labhran 1996
(2)Plantagent Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson; (C) Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 2004
(3) Southern Kith and Kin, by Jewell Davis Scarborough (C) 1957
(4) http:// www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Henry_Dugger_%2810%29, and www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Daniel_Dugger_%281%29...etc.
(5) Genealogical records of Michael D. Barnes, a.k.a. teltalheart on www.voy.com/40560/

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Subject: Post 294 A: Well, I guess hell froze over


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Post 294: Well, I guess hell froze over.

"Hedge Fund Managers Win Lottery!"

Three hedge fund managers from Greenwich Conn. won $254 million in the Powerball.

I guess it's not enough that big business has wrecked the ecomomy of the entire world, except for that of the wealthest 1% - they seem to be doing very well, now they have found a way to game the Lotto. The only thing the 99% thought they had left.

It goes something like this. Big corporations made bad gambles (investments). Now, instead of taking it on the chin like you or I have to, they want the poorer 99% to pay their debts for them. We saw this a few years ago when insurance companies lost a lot of money in the stock market and raised the insurance rates of their customers. The rates are still going up due to them wanting us to foot the bill.

First they decimated the private worker middle class by sending most of their jobs to China, India etc.
Now their going after the public (government) worker middle class. Government workers did traditionally make less money then their private industry counterparts. Now they make more due to the wholesale destruction of the private middle class.

Republican politicians seem to think there isn't any problem that can't be solved by giving the Super-Wealthy 1% more money. Particularly if it comes form the tax coffers of the poor and rapidly disappearing middle class. This while corporations are sitting on very large piles of money. Of course the Republican politicians think that way. These are the people that support their campaigns. The Democrat politicians are almost as crooked. They just pretend to be for the common man/woman when they really want the same things as the Republicans. Thus the rope-a-dope, good cop - bad cop they play on the American people. Thus Obama promises all these great jobs and works projects when he knows he will never have to deliver on them because he and John-boy Boehner already have this political WWF match rigged and how they will play it in front of the public. Obama will propose it. Boehner and his boys will kill it. And Obama will point and say "see, I tried to get you all this good stuff, but these bad ol' Republicans won't let me do it."

60 Minutes recently reported of the corporate stocks politicians are bribed with. Someone else reported the something very similar some years earlier. Now let me see, who was that? Oh, yes! It was me. Do I get any credit? NO!

I suspect someone will steal my theory on Post 293 A: My Theory of Universal Expansion, posted on 01:33:45 11/17/11 Thu., and pass it off as their own. I've gotten used to having my stuff stolen. Anyone can use my work with my permission if they give me credit for my work. Give me my byline, site my work and name.

But, the most emotionally hurtful cut of all was the gaming of the Lotto. It was all we, the common folk, had left. Do you remember the scene from 'How the Grinch stole Christmas' where the Grinch steals the last speck of food too small for a mouse? That speck of food too small for a mouse was the Lotto. That was ours! The scum of the earth couldn't even leave that alone. The whole thing stinks. Almost nobody, but the extremely gullible, belives the public is being served by the politicians, the corporations, Banks, or seeming anything else including religion.

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Subject: Post 293 A: Theories, thoughts and gripes.


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Post 293 A: Theories, thoughts and grippes.

First, a correction. I keep thinking I may have stated Geoffrey of Monmouth's - 'The History of the Kings of Britain' (1136) was the first statement of the existance of King Arthur. But, I cannot find the statement. It may be on post 277 or 276. If I did make such a statement I would have been wrong. Arthur's first appearance in literature was circa 796 in 'Historia Brittonum' by the monk Nennius.

It is interesting to note the Venerable Bede did not mention Arthur in his circa 731 work on the history of England. This even though he had mentioned the seige of Mount Badon. W.voy.com forward slash four zero five six zero forward slash. One usually looks for the first utterance of a person or a subject to find origin of their history. Though I still believe the works of the early writers of the Grail Legend were writing about the Brythonic family rulers of Brittany France.

A theory:
There has been much talk as of late about dark matter, dark energy and the ever expanding universe. I have an affinity for the Bubble Theory of mulit-universes. W.voy.com forwardslash four zero five six zero forwardslash. I purpose the reason everything is still moving outward is because the Bubble Universe from which ours was born is still bleeding into our universe. This, of course, pushes everything outward at an ever expanding rate. And as it gets close to completion or depletion it becomes ever faster.

Political Grippes:
If a politician takes $10,001 from a single contributor he/she is headed for jail. It being over $10,000. But, a corporation can give the same politician $50,000 in stock options and it's legal! This has the added benefit of tieing the politician to the corporation. So if the corporation does well, the politician does well. Doing well in the U.S.A., as it is in Europe, is 3% to 5% growth a year. But, if the corporation moves to China, as General Electric and many others have done, a 10% to 15% growth a year is possible. So, while Democrat politician talk out of the corner of their mouths about how concerned they are about the American working class while at the same time receiving stock options from corporations that have gone or are planning to go overseas. Thus they have no TRUE desire for the corporations to come back or stay in the U.S.. The Republican Politicians are also receving the same stock options and want the corporations to go overseas even faster. Thus their stock is worth even more quicker. They try to put up a smoke screen about how government regulation are what's causing unemployment. In other words the politicians in both parties are not serving the public, just their own greed. They don't want to comment on how the wealthest 1% have increased their wealth by 260% average to 300% in some cases in the past 30 years. That's 8.66% to 10% a years. Where as the average worker is stuck at the pay level that existed in 1996. In other words he's 15 years behind in a pay raise. This while the prices continue to climb. What we are seeing is a game of political Good Cop - Bad Cop. The American public is playing the part of the PERP!

I keep hearing from right-wing friends I have about "welfare." Did you know every household in the nation of Qatar gets a government stipend of $400,000 a year. This is, of course, from oil money. The U.S. Government gives oil companies four billion dollars a year ($4,000,000,000). As if the thirty five billion ($35,000,000,000) they make in a quarter is just not enough! Is it just my guess, or is something really WRONG here!

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Subject: Post 292 A: The Great Serpent, part 3.


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Post 292 A: The Great Serpent, part 3.

The Epic of Gilgamesh:
The flood story from the Epic of Atrahasis was added to Table XI in the standard version of the Gilgamesh story.

King Gilamesh, find himself getting old, hears of a man who is immortal named Utnapishtim (Noah). Gilgamesh travels to meet Utnapishtim, to learn the secret of eternal life. Finding Utnapishtim, he tell Gilgamesh he was granted eternal life by the gods for surviving the Great Flood. That it was unique and never to be repeated. To prove the point of his uniqueness Utnapishtim challenges Gilgamesh to stay awake for six days and seven nights. Gilgamesh falls asleep as soon a Utnapishtim finishes speaking. Utnapishtim has his wife bake a loaf of bread for each day Gilgamesh is asleep, so he cannot deny his failure. The point being, Gilgamesh cannot overcome sleep, let-alone death. As Gilgamesh leaves broken-hearted, Utnapishtim's wife ask him to give Gilgamesh a parting gift. He tell Gigamesh of a Boxthorn-like plant at the bottom of the sea that will make Gilgamesh young again. Gigamesh retrieves the plant from the bottom of the sea. But, on his return trip, when he stops to bath the plant is stolen by a serpent that sheds its old skin for a new one as it has been reborn. As Gilgamesh approches his home of Uruk he praises its massive walls as the enduring works of mortal men. The indication being that mortals achieve immortality from lasting works of culture and civilization.

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Subject: Post 291 A: The Great Serpent, continued from 290 A:


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Post 291 A: The Great Serpent, continued from 290 A:

TIAMAT (The Dragon Queen) also Ti'amtum (Sumerian 'ti' life, and 'ama' mother) also known as Mother Hubbur:
She is the primordial goddess of salt water oceans in Babylonian mythology. She mated with the spouse the god Abzu/Apsu/Engur/Engurru, god of fresh water and underground aquifers, to produce the younger gods Mummu, Lahum, Lahamu, Anshar, and Kishar.

Tiamat appears at times as a great serpent or dragon. She is believed in ancient times to have produced all the cosmos. It is indeed Tiamat who is demonized in the Hebrew Old Testament, and not the devil. It is a common occurrence that a new religion will turn the gods of the old religion into demons in the new.

The union of Anshar (male) and Kishar (female) would produce the great Anu/An/Annu the father of the Anunnaki gods, with his wives Antu/Nammu (Lady of the Sky) and Ki/Urash (Earth Mother).

Annu is also known to the Egyptians as Atum, father of the god Shu (the god of Air) and goddess Tefnut (goddess of Water).

In Akkad and Babylonian mythology Anu was the father 'the fiery sons of heaven' or the 'Shining Ones'. Enki/Ea/Lahar, Enlil/Ilu/El Elyon/later Jehovah, and a daughter Nin-khursag/Nin-mah/Ashana.

There were said to be 600 Anunnaki in the Netherworld or Otherworld and 300 in the Heavens. One wonders if this means in outer space or in the air? Could this be the same number of so-called 'Fallen Angels'?

There was a Court of the Most High attended by Jehovah in Psalm 82. "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the needy. Deliver the poor and the needy: rid them out of the hands of the wicked. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."

In the Babylonian Creation Epic the Enuma Elish Tiamat directs the the creation of Lu Gal or Lullu, Mankind. Ashnan/Nin-khursag and Lahar/Enki are directed to tend the earth. They find the task of tending the earth too great for the Anunnaki alone. From the DNA of Enki/Ea Nin-khursag/Ashana, apparently a genetic engineer, combines it with the ova of females of the "black haired people", that had been created to till the soil, to produce Adama. Adama would have been the first homo sapien sapien.

Tiamat to Enki, "O my son, raise from your bed... Work what is wise. Fashion servants of the gods, ( ) may they produce their doubles."

Enki to Tiamat, "O my mother, the creature whose name you uttered, it exists. Bind upon it the image of the gods...Nin-mah/Nin-khursag will work above you... she will stand by you at your fashioning. O my mother, decree upon its fate; Nin-mah/Nin-khursag will bind upon it in the mould of the gods. It is Man."

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Subject: Post 289 A: Correction of Post 288 A:


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Post 289 A: Correction of Post 288 A:

On Post 288 A: I had used the term "title search" when I should have used 'Patent Search.' I have been dealing with vehicles here lately. That does not make the obstacles that have been put in place to anyone wishing to file a patent any less difficult.

I did suspect I would get hit from all sides for daring to tell the truth about golden boy Obama. Who has turned out to be more Republican than some Republicans. He has turned out to be just another "free trader" ("and I'll get on my knees and pray, we don't get fooled again"). He is not who he pretended to be during his campaign. Just as golden boy Bill Clinton sold America down the river to NAFTA and GATT. A program that had been attempted to be pushed through congress by his predecessor George H.W. Bush.

That's why it always makes me laugh when Hillary Clinton say her main objective is to put Americans back to work; this when her husband cost Americans more jobs than any other president in history.

It's just a BIG SHOW put on by actors paid for by the super-rich. If you can't see it then I guess you're just not there, yet!

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Subject: Post 288 A: Unfair Trade Practices


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Post 288 A: Unfair Trade Practices

I HATE wrestling WWF or the political version of it which is now being engaged in by the two political parties within the United States. As is always the case in fake wrestling, the decision as to who wins and who loses has already been decided defore it's ever taken defore the public.

As you have no doubt already seen the high-minded noise Obama made before his election about being against evil programs such as NAFTA; which only greatly enriches the already obscenely rich and cost American working men and women their jobs as they watch them leave for China, India, Peru or South Korea; turned out not be be true!

'In 2008, candidate Barack Obama stated, "I voted against CAFTA, never supported NAFTA, and will not support NAFTA-style trade agreements in the future." President Barack Obama has retreated from that promise, and the administration now backs Bush-era trade agreements with Colombia, Panama, and South Korea. The administration is also negotiating the largest U.S. trade agreement since NAFTA, the so-called TransPacific Partnership (TPP) with a wide range of Pacific nations.' - Global Development And Environment Institute at Tufts University

At the U.S. Chamber of Commerce victory gala the day the Peru FTA was signed into law, Peruvian President Alan Garcia told the room filled with lobbyist for multinational corporations: "Come and open your factories in my country so we can sell your products back to the U.S." (U.S. Chamber Magazine, December 2007)

Early after WWII Japan and Germany set up trade barriers to foreign goods. It has allowed those two countries to become very prosperous while still trading extensively with the rest of the world, particularly the U.S.A. Japanese companies, backed by a large influx of money from their government, dumped T.V.s and cameras on the U.S. market for less than the price it cost them to make knowing it would run U.S. companies out of business. Then the prices went up when they were the only player in the field.

Greedy American billionaires and corporations sought to profit from the poverty in China, India, South Korea, Peru etc. China had a different idea. they allowed these factories to be built in their country, then changed the rules of the game. They enacted Trade Barriers to foreign goods. Only product made in their country by their workers could be sold in their country.

The U.S. put no trade barriers in place as a response. Indeed, they, the "Free Traders", or as I like to call them the "Free Traitors" made in easier to sell Chinese products in the U.S. by giving very large "donations" to U.S. Senators to have what little restrictions that were in place lessoned greatly or abolished completely.

If you remember the lies that were told during the 1980s and 90s to get Americans to back the passage of NAFTA and GATT. People were told 'Americans would move up to higher management positions. American would become entrepreneurs.' They just didn't bother to tell people it would be on the Unemployment Line! Ross Perot told people "If NAFTA passes you're going to hear a giant sucking sound. That's going to be the sound of jobs leaving the United States."

Two-thirds of all blue collor Americans have lost their jobs due to NAFTA, CAFTA and GATT. There have been huge donation to political campaigns from major corporation probably via the government of China. The buying of U.S. Senators and Congressman by foreign governments has been made legal by the U.S. Supreme Court. Which is the Most Traitors thing I have ever seen to happen to the American Public in my fifty two years of life.

Yesterday Barack Obama changed the Patent Law for the first time since 1952. It now allows those who are sneaky, underhanded and thieving enough to steal the the hard work and hard found discoveries of great minds to claim the work as their own if they get to the Patent Office first and file. Geeze, sneaky, underhanded, sounds like a job for a corporation!

No longer can the original inventor come along and discover his/her invention has been stolen and then lay claim to it. Now it belongs to who files first.

Now, Imagine a major corporation puts a mole in the U.S. Patent office. You file for your patent. But, you find a major corporation has filed one hour ahead of you. What are the odds? About the same as a terrorist attack on a U.S. landmark that just happens to give a corporate flunky of a president total power; America's Riechstag!

Before, in the old days (yesterday) the object the rich, through their considerable donations to politicians, had put into place to keep the common man/woman from filing a patent was the more then $20,000 fee for a title search. Who has that kind of money laying around? Certainly not me! Now it's being said out in the open. 'If you can steal it, you can have it!'

There has recently been a computer program created that can identify plagiarized papers and reports. It was recently used in China at major under-grad colleges. It was found that 35% to 40% of the papers were plagiarized (NPR). For somebody such as myself, I wonder how Obama's new 'Patent Law' will affect copy right law? Will my ideas end up in the books of other without one single mention of myself? Oh, right! you uncovered that, did you! And how long did it take you? Oh, as long as it took you to get to my web page.

There are things which could be enacted that could help slow the great sucking sound that is the U.S. jobs going to China.

1. Allow a tax deduction only when businesses employ and buy American.
Section 162 and 212 of the Internal Revenue code allows a deduction against income for ordinary and necessary business expenses.

Section 167 and 179 allow deprecation for business equipment purchase or purchased.

An Amendment: Any expenditure for goods and services located and or produced outside the United States of America shall not be deductable from corporate taxes.

2. Eliminate the foreign tax credit. Section 27A of the Internal Revenue tax code gives a tax credit for taxes paid to a foreign country. It allows large corporations to avoid U.S. taxes by moving factories out of the U.S.A.


There is only one candidate who is willing to do these very things to save what is left of out nation. That candidate is Buddy Roemer. But, I believe he doesn't stand a chance because he's cutting into their money. Thus they will make sure he gets NO media attention. This, of course, since they own the media. You can bet you ass, only the free traitors will get air time!

It late, 03:11 AM, got to go.
P.S., On Post 287 A: Ruth Jsckson was supposed to be Ruth Jackson. My bad!
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Subject: Post 287 A: My Jackson Genealogy Found


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Post 287 A: My Jackson Genealogy Found

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Charles W. Jackson
Home in 1930: District 2, Grundy, Tennessee
Age: 37
Est. Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Louisiana
Relationship: Head of House
Spouse's Name: Loucase Jackson
Race: White
Household Members:
Charles W. Jackson 37
Loucase Jackson 22
Dan Jackson 16
Lonnie Jackson 14
Ruth Jsckson 12
Earl Jackson 10
Dave Jackson 8
Houston J. Jackson 4 6/12
Mildred Jackson 3 1/12
Thomas Jackson 23 (months?)
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1910 United States Federal Census

Charles A. Jackson
Age in 1910: 42
Est. Birth Year: 1868
Birthplace: Canada English [Canada]
Relationship: Head of House
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: Canada
Spouse's Name: Millie Jackson
Home in 1910: Bay City Ward 4, Bay, Michigan
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Occupation: Carpenter
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1887
Household Members:
Charles A. Jackson 42
Millie Jackson 42
Charles W. Jackson 18
Eva Jackson 13
Edna Jackson 13
Thomas Jackson 3
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My Father was Dave Franklin Jackson of Summerville Georgia; born in the year 1925 or 24. The above Census Record shows clearly unlike family lore that has told of the father of Charles W. Jackson being from Texas, he was actually from Canada and his father was from England.
As is always the case in Genealogy, the search will continue.

This paternal line is Y-DNA R1b1b2, which is what I have been tested as being at Family Tree DNA.

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Subject: Post 286 A: Praeriis compared to Pirariis


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Post 286 A: Praeriis compared to Pirariis

If one compares the spelling of of the surname "Praeriis" found in the book 'Anglo-Norman Families' by David L. Douglas, Lewis C. Loyd, The Harleian Society, Leeds, 1951.,(also found in Post 285 A), and the spelling of the surname "Pirariis" as in William and Henry de Pirariis, 1174, found in the book 'The Norman People', (also found in Post 230 A), on page 396, one might find a great similarity as if they are one and the same family.

One might also reference Post 253 A: "Le Sir de Praeres (Prous).

To Wit: "In 1174 Henry de Pirariis, or Perers, had a dispute regarding lands at Saxby with William de Pirariis (Nicholls, Leic. ii. 308); which implies that the family had long been seated there. This William de Perers of Saxby appears to be the same who is mentioned in Normandy as 'William Sakespee' in 1195, 1198; and in 1202 Nicholas de Saxeby paid money to the Crown in Warwick and Leicester in behalf of the same William de Saxeby , his brother (Rot. Canc.)." - 'The Norman People, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.' part of page 396; subject of this small portion of this book 'The Family Shakspeare'.

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Post 285 A: Gene. of Anglo-Norman Families

A Correction of Post 283 A:, My Jackson Genealogy.
After a trip to the Huntsville Public Library genealogical section I can report I have not connection to Abner Jackson or his descendent line. I have had one heck of a time trying to locate Charles Franklin Jackson's records. The only record found is a Delayed Certificate Of Birth for Charles William Jackson (1893) done 27 April 1945. It Lists C.F. Jackson as his father and Susie Osborne as his mother, both from Louisiana. The closest I have come to locating a possible father of C.F. Jackson is a William E. Jackson with wife Hester Copeland of Texas.

From The Book: 'ANGLO-NORMAN FAMILIES'
"PRAERES
Persles: Calvados, arr. Vire, cant. Vassy.
Before the separation of England and Normandy Hasculf de Praeres held land in Adderbury, co. Oxford, and in Chyngton (in Seaford), Sussex.(1) In the Register of Philip Augustus, 1204-1208, John de Livet and Hasculf de Praeriis each held a quarter of a fee in the bailiwick of the castle of Vire (2); and in the Register of 1212-20 they held together half of a fee 'apud Praerias.'(3)

Farrer has given several notes on members of the family, primarily in connexion with its tenure of Ulceby co. Lincoln, of the earl of Chester.(4) Presles, which occurs as 'Praelliae' in 1198 and as 'Praeriae' in 1269,(5) lies 9 kil. NE of Vire, an important possession of the earls of Chester." By David L. Douglas, Lewis C. Loyd, The Harleian Society, Leeds, 1951.

It seems Farrer (Ferrer/Ferrieres) is connected to the family Praeres (Perrier/Purrier/Puryer/Puryear). Which seems to be likely the poorer side of the same family. I believe there is the possibility they are both descended from Walchelin (William).

I have also been considering a theory of mine I have not yet worked out. I have been considering Maud Indelrica, a Saxon Princess, may have had three children: (1) William de Ferrers/ William de Perers/ William de Praers/ William Peverel via the father William the Bastard (Conqueror). (2) Henry de Ferrers/ Henry de Perers/ Henry de Praers via the father Walchelin. (3) Ranulph Peverel the 2nd via the father Ranulph Peverell the 1st.

Line of descent of John de Perers, died abt. 1315:
Henry de Perers, abt. 1180-1240
William de Perers, abt. 1205-1265
Simon de Perers, abt. 1230-1290, wife Margery.
John de Perers, abt. 1255-1315, wife Elizabeth.

KNYBBEWORTH MANOR:
Sir Richard de Perers and his wife Joan owned Knebworth Manor. Sir Richard de Perers, Viscount of Essex and Hertsfordshire, 1324.

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Post 282 A: Postal Address Change

Please note I have changed the postal address for the snail-mail contact address for this, my web site www.voy.com/40560/ from: P.O. Box 1617, Scottsboro, Alabama 35768,
To the NEW ADDRESS AT: P.O. Box 98, Hollywood, Alabama 35752.

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Subject: Post 281 A: As Predicted, continued


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Post 281 A: As Predicted, continued

Well, as I sit here I wonder about the state of the world. The problems are so simple it's mind boggling. However, what makes things difficult is people such a conservative think-tank gurus such as one I saw on CSPAN much earlier today. A caller called in a said "there are an finite number of jobs in the U.S." This think-tank moron says "no there's not."

There is a finite number of jobs because there is a finite number of people and a finite number of employers. As a matter of fact there is a much less number of employers now then there was twenty years ago due to NAFTA and GATT. This was Bill Clinton and Al Gore's baby. It was almost pushed through Congress by George H.W. Bush before Clinton. George couldn't get it through so Bill, the stalking-horse for the Republicans, pushed it through for them.

The caller went on to intelligently state that the reason jobs are hard to find is because there are to few jobs because so many have been taken out of the United States and fewer jobs and too many people was the new reality. The moron being interviewed on CSPAN said "no, it's not." He suggested the problem was because there is too many regulations on business in the U.S.

It's interesting to watch an average, sane person say, "the grass is green." Then watch a stooge working for big corporations say, "no it's not, the grass is blue."

This is the big business answer to everything. It's always "Give us more freedom to mess-up things worse then we already have." The reason we are in this mess was because of de-regulation under George W. Bush.

Corporation ran to China during Clinton and George W.s administrations. George W. waved a flag and called the American business exodus to China, India and South Korea and the unemployment of American Workers patriotic. After 9/11 he called anyone who disagreed with his policies a traitor. That's odd, it would seem to me these business leaving U.S. shores are traitors. But that's just me, and what do I know?

In the late 1960s or early 1970s China played the 'MAD MAN CARD.' If there's a weapon that exists, the person who is willing to use it in the most extreme measure emerges the winner. China's Deng Xiaoping made a vailed threat to the west. That China was so broke they were going to have to start selling nuke weapons technology to third world nation and terrorist nut jobs. The wealthy in the west, which included politicians, peed their panties. They said "ho no, don't do that! We'll help you." Then they realized if they moved U.S. business to China they could avoid U.S. taxes and pollution controls, also workers right issues.

Which brings up the question. If China was so broke, where did they get money to loan to anybody, let alone how many billions they supposedly have loaned to the U.S.? The simple truth is business wanted to expand. They would have told the public that they borrowed the money from leprechauns in a hollow tree in Ireland if they could have gotten away with it. But, China seemed more believable. In truth it was a sham. It was just money on paper only in the beginning. Business grew at 10% to 15% a year which is phenomenal considering business growth in good time is only 3% to 5% a year average.

Thus what was had was a business bubble. And, as all bubbles do, they eventually burst.

Well, that's all the time I have in this round. Until next time, be safe.

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Subject: Post 280 A: As Predicted


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Post 280 A: As Predicted

Well, as I predicted Obama caved in and gave the Republicans 98% of what they wanted. The Rich, corporate insiders, will pay not one cent more in taxes. Yesterday I found a notepad where I had joted down a post I was working on several years ago. It was a rant of mine about $106,000,000,000 (106 Billion) dollars being cut from the tax burdon of the wealthiest 1% of U.S. citizens. The tax burdon would then have to be taken up and paid by the Middle class. The same thing is still going on. The Rich get richer and the middle class become the poor.

Everyone has the same suspicion. We all have this suspicion that there is this 'Star Chamber' made up of the wealthiest one tenth of one percent (.01%) that interviews new congressional and possibly Presidential candidates. All candidates, Republican and Democratic. Their main focus is whether, when push comes to shove, the candidate will support the cause of business and especially the extremely Rich. If the answer is 'YES' they get money to run their campaign.
You've heard it before, "I'm going to make you a proposition you can't refuse."

Thus what we end up with is a show in Congress, Capital Hill and the White House. It's nothing more then political WWF wrestling. It's a show, paid for by the wealthy. Thus the vote becomes a scam as does truth, justice, and freedom of every United States citizen. They keep small minds busy with flag buring, gay rights, Casey Anthony, and whatever weapons of mass distraction they can drum up. One can't even watch CNN and get any real news. Before long there will be computer animated news castors allowing them, the wealthy, to control the news in it's entirety. The American public is being made into slaves.

The wealthy have also decided they have the right to patent (own) certain, if not all, human DNAs. And the Supreme Court has allowed them to do this. To say someone else owns any part of a human being is to permit slavery. Thus the highest court in the land is allowing corporations to commit slavery. If they say they own your DNA it's the same thing as saying THEY OWN YOU. Get my point!

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Subject: Post 279 A: Political Truth


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Post 279 A: Political Truth

It seems Jonh Boehner and Pres. Obama are at odds over the budget debate. But appearances can be deceiving. I believe what is happening is a show for the general public. I believe the main focus of this whole thing is to possibly put the public in a panic mode. Or at least to represent to the public that the government is in a panic mode.

They are hoping the public will buy this crap when the public sees their Social Security and Medicare reduced by 7%. You will also notice that Big Business will end up paying not one penny extra in taxes. No wonder General Electric made thirty billion ($30,000,000,000) dollars and paid not one penny in tax!

As George Carlin said, "The rich have all of the money, do none of the work, pay none of the taxes. The middle class do all of the work, pay all of the taxes. The poor are there jut to scare the shit out of the middle class, keep them showing up at those jobs... And their coming after your Socail Security to, and their going to get it!"

So there you have it. This whole thing is cooked up to steal a part of your Social Security. It is WWF Wrestling political Style at its best. If they can get this little bit they wont stop there. They'll keep going and going until they have it all and there will be NO Social Security. But, you will still have to pay it. So when do the corporate traitors to the U.S.A. who ran to China have to start paying? NEVER!

Oh, but it will hurt business and job creation! Where? In China? Or India? Or Mexico? Because that's where they bastards ran to!

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Subject: Post 278 A: De Graal, Revealed History


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Post 278 A: De Graal, History Revealed

As was discussed in post 277 A:, Geugon, son of Periou, may be the true Gawain of Grail Legend. w. Thus Periou is the historical Peredur/Perceval/Parzival. voy. This idea is bolstered even more by the fact Gwgon Gwron was the son of Peredur. com/ Compare the name 'Gwgon' to 'Geugon'. four Now compare the name 'Gwron' to 'Gawain'. zero There is more, much more.
five History does not tell us the name of the mother of Geugon/Gwgon/Gawian. six But, one can figure it out. zero/ The mother of Gawain is Gawain-ivier/ Gawain-evere/ Gawain-hwyfar. w.voy.com foreward slash four zero five six zero foreward slash. Thus the mother of Geugon/Gawain is Guinevere/Gwinivier in old Welch Gwenhwyfar meaning 'The White Enchantress' or, The White Fay/Ghost. Thus it is truely Parzival/Periou who is married to Guinevere and not King Arthur, a.k.a Budic I, father of Periou/Parzival.

Budic I, Count of Cornouaille, Brittany France must thus seem to also be known as Elliffer (Old Welch-'of the great warband'), a.k.a Eleuther, a.k.a. Arthur. This person, my ancestor, was a scion of the Coeling dynasty. Time at post 12:16 am Central Time, July 10th, Sunday.
Until next time.

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Subject: Post 277 A: De Graal Revealed!?


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Post 277 A: De Graal Revealed!?

In post 276 A: I have shown Geoffrey of Monmouth's work in his book, 'The History of The Kings of Britain' concerning Porrex and Ferrex probably came from the commonly join family Perer and Ferrer (same family under different names) and use as an allegory in his book. W.voy.com forward slash four zero five six zero forward slash. It is rather obvious that the character of Gorboduc, king of Britain is a combination of the names of Budic I, Count of Cornouailles and his Guegon, son of Periou.

The linage of the Grail story goes thusly:
Utherpendragon, father of Arthur, whose nephew is Gawain.
I have been wondering if Guegon is the actually Gawain, Gwgon and or Gwron (Bron?). Thus is Periou, father of Guegon, actually Perceval, Parzival, Peredur and Peri-dur. Is Periou also Roi Perdu, meaning the "Lost King?" Is he also thus Rio Thomas, or Rio Thomas Peri-dur or; Rio Thomas Periou - Roi Perdu? In such Budic I, becomes King Arthur. Diles, Count de Cornouailles thus becomes Utherpendragon.

The names Geoffrey of Monmouth uses are so common to this family, such as the use of Judon, it could be no one else but this family group, my ancestors.

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Subject: Post 276 A: Perer, Ferrer / Norman or old Breton


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Post 276 A: Perer, Ferrer / Norman or old Breton

To begin with about my previous post 275 A:, the Normans (Northmen) Vikings were indeed a thieving, robbing, raping, murdering group back then between the 8th and 11th centuries. But, it is also a true that 98.9% of us descended from western European stock have their DNA in us as part of our ancestry. My Puryear (Perrier, Perers) may very well be the line of Ferrers; as in Henry de Ferrers, a Norman knight from the baronial family from Ferrieres St. Hilary, near Bernai, Normandy. In fact an allegory between the separation of the common named families of Perers and Ferrers may have been written of in Geoffrey of Monmouth's book 'THE HISTORY OF THE KINGS OF BRITAIN.'However, they could also possibly be old Breton as well.

In part two of his book the chapter 'Before The Romans Came' Geoffrey writes:
"After the death of Cunedagius, his son Rivallo succeeded him, a peaceful, prosperous young man who ruled the kingdom frugally." (One wonders if this could have been Riwal a.k.a Rivallous a.k.a. Hoel I King of the Bretons and founder of Domnonee or Dumnonia abt.520 A.D. in Brittany France; this would also be the ancestor of Budic Count of Cornouailles ca.900, whose younger son, Periou, is said to be the ancestor of the family Perer, Perrier, Purrier, Purryer, Puryer etc.). "In his time it rained blood for three days and men died from the flies which swarmed. Rivallo's son Gurgustius succeeded him. Sisillius came after Gurgustius, then Jago the nephew of Gurgustius, then Kimarcus the son of Sisillius and after him Gorboduc." (Budic?). "Two sons were born to Gorboduc, one called Ferrex and the other Porrex. When their father became senile, a quarrel arose between these two as to which should succeed the old man on the throne. Porrex was the more grasping of the two and he planned to kill his brother by setting an ambush for him. When Ferrex learned of this he escaped from his brother by crossing the sea to Gaul. With the support of Suhard, King of the Franks, Ferrex returned and fought with his brother. Ferrex was killed in the battle between them and so too was all the force which had come over with him. Their mother, whose name was Judon, was greatly distressed when she heard of her son's death. She was consumed with hatred for Porrex, for she had loved Ferrex more than him. Judon became so unbalanced by anguish which the death of Ferrex had caused her that she made up her mind to avenge the death upon his brother Porrex. She chose a time when Porrex was asleep, set upon him with her maid-servants and hacked him to pieces.
As a result of this the people of Britain were for a long time embroiled in a civil war; and the island came into the hands of five kings who kept attacking and massacring each other's men in turn."

In the book: 'The Plantagenet Ancestry' by Lt.-Col. W.H. Turton, D.O.S. it shows on page 188 the descendency of the rulers of Brittany France and the Counts of Cornouailles. Judon, presumably a male, is the son of "Urbon (Congar), C. de Cornouaille." The son of Judon is Constantin C. de Cornouaille who married Barilie. They appear to have had two sons, Argant, Prince of Brittany and the second son was Justin. The successor of Justin was Alfrond, whose successor was Ulfret C. de Cornouaille, whose successor was Diles C. de Cornouaille who married Alava the great granddaughter of Prince Argent. Their successor was Budic I, Count de Cornouaille whose younger son was Periou. The son of Periou was Guegon de Perieur.

To those interested in the Grail Legend; the line of the Grail blood was said to be descended from Saint James The Just, the brother of Jesus. Thus the line of the Grail is Hebrew and or Jewish. One should note 'Judon' is the old High German word for Jew. It was used in a time when the use of Biblical names was not yet in vague. The Isle of Avalon has been said by many and suspected by more to be the peninsula of Brittany, France. w.voy.com forward slash four zero five six zero forward slash. Some have also suspected it to be the Isle of Sein which is near Carnac just off the coast of Brittany.

It should be remembered that Geoffrey was writing a story of a history of Britain that they wished was true. It was a piece of political propaganda as much as anything. It was designed to find the Normans, and in particularly Henry II who was king of England at the time, blameless of any wrongdoing and nothing less than selfless saviors of England. The truth was he, Henry, launched a war and won the throne by force. Henry's mother Empress Matilda was to be Queen regant of England. But her cousin Stephen usurped her claim. To my knowledge his book was the first modern mention of Utherpendragon and Arthur. The story during Henry II's time became so popular Henry made a great show of supposedly "finding" the grave of King Arthur. The fourth son of Henry II, Geoffrey II (1158-1186) was duly married off to Constance of Penthievre (Pendragon) the only child of Conan IV, Duke of Brittany and Earl of Richmond. Their only son was Prince Arthur, who was murdered by his uncle King John of England, after the death of his father, Geoffrey II. Thus this English side of the supposed Royal family secured the throne of England for themselves and their descendents once again. For a further exploration of this I suggest reading 'Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings' by Amy Kelly. As Mr. Peter Harradine of The International Commission on Nobility and Royalty put it "For example 80% of all European stock are descended from royalty, yet they 99.9% are all commoners." So who decides who is royalty and who is not? Apparently it's a good ol' boys club. They are only royalty because they have all gotten into agreement with each that they will "recognize" each other as being royal. One cannot be a king if one is illegitimate. This was the ruling of William the Conquer. Yet before he was William the Conquer he was William the Bastard. He created this law in England after he had fought his way to the throne. This rule should have excluded James I, the illegitimate son of Mary Queen of Scots and Rizzio thus making the entire "Royal Family" illegitimate, and should exclude Prince Harry of Wales, son of Lady Diana and Major James Hewitt. Just another example of those in power doing whatever they damn well please.

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Subject: Post 275 A: Clan Gregor, 'The Children of the Mist' part 2


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Post 275A: Clan Gregor, 'The Children of the Mist' part 2

Clan Soil Alpin: The destruction conspiracy.

There are traditionally seven original Scottish Clans descended from King Alpin MacAchai, (King of Dalriada 833-841 A.D.), who is said to be the 28th and last King of the Dalriada Scots. It is usually through the first son of King Alpin, Kenneth MacAlpin (first King of Scots 841-858); the second son was King Donald I; the third son was Prince Gregor, (Giric mac Dungail, Modern Gaelic: Griogair mac Dhunghail - King of the Picts or King of Alba, c. 878-889).

These Seven Great Clans are:
MacAulay, MacFie, Grant, MacGregor, MacKinnon, MacNab, and MacQuarie.
Also amoung the old Pictish (Scot) Clans are the families of Brodie, Murray, MacNaughton and MacKay.
During the time they were outlawed members of the Clan MacGregor had changed their name to Murray and Grant.

There are many associate families under each Clan.
Under Clan MacGregor are: Black, Brewer, Caird, Comrie, Dochart, Fletcher, Gregor, Gregorson, Gregory, Greig, Grier, Grewar, Greierson, Grigor, King, Lectie, Lecky, MacAdam, Macara, Macaree, MacChoiter, MacCrowther, MacGrigor, MacGrory, Macgrowther, Macgruder, Macgruther, Macildny, MacLiver, MacNee, MacVie, MacVish, - from R.R. McIan's book, 'The Clans of the Scottish Highlands'.

The Seven Great Clans share the same origion and are part Scota-Irish Dalriadic (Argyll) Royalty. Many Norman (Northmen/Viking) families settled in Scotland and Ireland. From the great misfortunes and turmoil that befell the Seven Great Clans one would think there had been a conspiracy to disinherit them from their land and titles; break their clans; enslave and beggar them down to their last crust of bread and, eventually, destroy them altogether.
A plan put in place by Normans; a race known for their burtality as Viking raiders, a.k.a thieves, murderers and rapists.

But who were these Norman settler? The Norman names will reveal how the Clan MacGregor was almost broken and how the Clan MacFie, MacAfie, MacCaffey, MacHaffie, MacGuffie, MacPhie, MacDuffie was completely broken and became a "broken clan" without land. Some MacFie "migrated to Lochaber and followed Lochiel, others settled around the Firth of Clyde." This was after the loss of their Island home of Colonsay in 1623 to the brutal thieving Coll Kitto MacDonald who was spured on by the Campbells. Collkitto took Colonsay for himself after murdering the last Clan Chief Malcolm and several of his kin.

The Normans of Scotland:
Bruce, Stuart, Sinclair, Chisholm, Cummings, Macleod, Morrison, Gunn, Fraser, Gordon, Hays, Graham, Lindsay, Manzie, Maxwell, Ramsay, Montgomery, Rose, Campbell and Stewart.

Thus when Robert the Bruce granted the barony of Lock Awe to the chief of the Campbells he was giving land that belonged to a rightful descendent and claimant to the throne of Scotland and Ireland to a member of his own Norman collision. It must also be remembered that it was the English king James I & VI of Scotland who issued an edict proclaiming the name of MacGregor 'altogidder abolished.'

As in the tradition of a thief and a robber?
The Sinclairs/St Clair have recently spuriously claimed descent from Jesus Christ via a mistaken reading, understanding and gullibility on the part of the authors of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail,' page 183.
"In our previous research we had found a number of important links between Sion's alleged grand masters of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and European Freemasonry. In the course of our study of Freemasonry we discovered certain other links as well. These additional links did relate to other aspects of our investigation.
- Thus, for example, we encountered repeated references to the Sinclair family - Scottish branch of the Norman Saint-Clair/Gisors family." - Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

The Sion grand masters list was of course a hoax planted by Pierre Plantard and his retinue. Pierre Plantard had once changed his name to Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair. The authors also misunderstood lapis ex caelis - "stone from the heavens." They wrongly interpreted it as "There is Peter (Pierre or 'stone' in French) - the 'stone' or 'rock' on which Jesus establishes his church." - 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', - page 297.

Because they were being lead astray by someone who had convinced himself of his and his families own greatness they simply could not understand that Joseph, James and Jesus were described in the Greek as 'ho tektons' or 'Masters of the Craft,' in Masonry this was and is a Third Degree Master Mason. Thus the 'stone from heaven' was the Royal bloodline of the Kings of Judaea and was thusly interpreted in the French as Perrieur, Perrier, and also Perryer, Peryer, Purrier, Purryer, Puryer, Puryear and the latest derivation from Judaea the Cohen branch of Pereira. It means in French "one who cut or quarried stone." Thus the name of a stone cutter or Mason. This is the name by which the family was known is southern France.

"They live from a stone of purest kind. If you do not know it, it shall here be named for you. It is called lapsit exillis. By the power of that stone the phoenix burns to ashes, but the ashes gives him life again." - 'Parzival' by Wolfram von Eschenbach.

Jesus also describs himself as "the keystone neglected by the builders."

Some say Scotland does not derive it name from Scythae. It's said to be "The ninth name [of Ireland] was Scotia; and it is the son of Mileadh [Gathelus] who gave that name to it, from their mother whose name was Scota, daughter of Pharaoh Nectonibus..."

Some say the father of Princess Scota was Pharaoh Smenkhkare, who some believe to be Aaron of biblical reference. The name of Smenkhkare, some say, was recorded as Achencheres in Maneth's 'Egyptian King List'. It's said this was corrupted into Cencheres and, Cinciris in the Gaelic. It's said Aaron held "The ritual of the serpent-rod and the withered hand." - Genesis of the Grail Kings.

That's all I have time for at this point. I hope it was informative. P.S., see wikipedia - Rosslyn Chapel, on page 5 of 8 "With regards to a possible connection between the St. Clairs and the Knights Templar, the family testified against the Templars when that Order was put on trial in Edinbourgh in 1309."

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Subject: Post 274 B: The MacGregors, 'Children of the Mist'


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Post 274 B: The MacGregors, 'Children of the Mist'

It is a fact that religion has little to do with documented historical fact. It has much more to do with superstition than fact.

'It has served us well, this myth of Christ.' - Pope Leo X

It was argued by professor Hermann Samuel Reimarus, between 1744 and 1767, of Hamburg, that Jesus was little more than a failed Judaic revolutionary.

Nineteenth century German biblical scholarship has dated the Gospels to having been composed at least a generation after the events had happened. This date is still deemed valid today. How hazy do memories become in the mind of man twenty five or even fifty years after the day they occured?
On April 27th 2011 the great tornado outbreak destroyed several churches in the southern U.S. Would anyone care to say that was the work of God? Or that God, for whatever reason, was angry at churches in the south? No?

Why then should it be deemed the work of this same God when something happens to someone or, some group or organization that is not of the same ilk?

The Scottish Clan MacGregor is descended from Giric, or Grig, (Modern Gaelic: Griogair mac Dhunghail; King of the Picts or King of Alba, born abt. 855 A.D.,. Giric was the possible son of (father) Doungallas and (mother) Spontana, daughter of Kenneth mac Alpin, King of Scotland (Cinaed mac Ailpin, King of the Picts from 841 to 858). Spontana has also been said to be the dau. of the High King of Ireland.

Doungallas is said to be the son of Prince Gregor, the son of King Alpin (King of Dalriada 833-841 A.D.). No evidence of the existance of Prince Gregor has ever been found. However, During the English occupation of Scotland at the end of the 13th century Edward Plantagenet, King of England, ordered the destruction of all public records of Scotland, probably to ensure only his line and or only his descendants could claim the throne of Scotland and Ireland. This is also what the Romans had done to the public records of the hereditary line of the Kings of the Jews. Possibly leaving a young Prince, Jesus, without a claim to the throne.

Thus the Clan Gregor had a royal claim on both Scotland and Ireland. This would probably have been the underlaying reason for their great misfortunes and turmoil during the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries; courtesy of and engineered by the English Crown. The Clan Gregor apparently had a true claim to the throne. It is the only thing that explains the reason for their extremely harsh treatment. It first began with the first claimant to the throne of Scotland, Robert the Bruce. The Bruce granted the barony of Loch Awe to the chief of the Campbells. This barony included much of the MacGregor lands. In April 1603 James VI, Stuart (1567-1625) issued an edict proclaiming the name of MacGregor 'altogidder abolished'. James I of England, James VI of Scotland was the first to incorporate the arms of Scotland and Ireland into the arms of England as his possession. The MacGregors were hunted like animals. Bloodhounds were used to flush them out of the heather. They took to hiding in the Highland, thus acquiring the name 'Children of the Mist.' The MacGregors, despite their savage treatment, fought for King Charles II Stuart during the civil war.

The Crown of the Picts (Scots) was first lost due to religious superstition in the year 885 A.D. due to, of all things, a solar eclipse on St Cyrus's day, June 16th.

Because the line of descent becomes murky, depending on what source is used, I have included both versions of the line of descent.

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Post 274 A: Religious Dogma

It is a fact that religion has little to do with documented historical fact. It has much more to do with superstition than fact.

'It has served us well, this myth of Christ.' - Pope Leo X

It was argued by professor Hermann Samuel Reimarus, between 1744 and 1767, of Hamburg, that Jesus was little more than failed Judaic revolutionary.

Nineteenth century German biblical scholarship has dated the Gospels to having been composed at least a generation after the events had happened. This date is still deemed valid today. On April 27th 2011 the great tornado outbreak destroyed several churches here in the south. Would anyone care to say that was the work of God? Or that God, for whatever reason, was angry at churches here in the south? No?

Why then should it be deemed the work of this same God when something happens to someone or some group or organization that is not of the same ilk?

The Scottish Clan MacGregor is descended from Giric, or Grig, (Modern Gaelic: Griogair mac Dhunghail; King of the Picts, born abt. 818. Giric, a.k.a Prince Gregor) was the son of King Alpin (King of Dalriada from 833-841 A.D.) a.k.a Domnall mac Ailpin, King of the Picts, and possibly a.k.a Eochaid.
The son of Giric (a.k.a. King Gregor the Great) would possibly have been Doungallas who married his cousin Spontana, daughter of the High King of Ireland.

Thus the Clan Gregor had a royal claim on both Scotland and Ireland. This would probably have been the underlaying reason for their great misfortunes and turmoil during the 15th and 16th centuries, courtesy of and engineered by the English Crown.

The Crown was first lost due to religious superstition in the year 885 A.D. due to, of all things, a solar eclipse on St Cyrus's day, June 16th.

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Subject: Post 273 A: Clan Mac Gregor History: Part 2


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Post 273 A: Clan Mac Gregor History: Part 2

The severity of the laws under which the Mac Gregors were at this time suffering, is unparalleled. Those who might kill a Mac Gregor, were not only held "scaithless," but were actually rewarded by a gift of their "haill moveable goods and gear!" In 1603 they were commanded to change their name under pain of death, and prohibited from carrying any arms, except a pointless knife to use at their meals: subsequently, no greater number than four of the clan was permitted to meet together. It is even alleged that bloodhounds were employed to track them in their retreats, and had their countrymen been as hostile as the law required, the Mac Gregors had been speedily exterminated. The Camerons, being stirred up to this service, agreed to attack the Mac Gregors, who, reinforced by a party of their friends, the Macphersons, marched northward, and gave battle in Brae Lochabar to their enemies, who met a signal defeat.

The loyaly of this clan was remarkable, for, although suffering from a proscription so severe, they took the field under Montrose with their whole strength. That general did, indeed, assure them that when his majesty's affairs were settled, all their grievances should be redressed, and on the restoration, Charles II., in reward for their inflexible fidelity, annulled the statute which prohibited them from bearing the name Mac Gregor, and restored them to all rights and privileges, but the advantage of this act they unfortunately did not long enjoy, for it was insidiously rescinded by William III.

John, who was chief in 1715, adopted the name of Murray. Like his ancestors he maintained the claim of the Stewarts, but he did not deem it prudent to appear publicly in arms. The famous Rob Roy took the field, a hero of the Dugal Ciar branch of the clan, but he posted himself in sight of the field of battle at Dunblane, and, believing victory secure, he did not advance, remarking to a messenger sent from the Earl of Mar, with pressing orders to charge, that if he could not gain without the Mac Gregors, he could not gain with them.
Robert, the succeeding chief, was so zealous a partizan of the exiled family, that he mortgaged his whole estate to support it, and commanded his clan in the Princes's army, 1745. When they were in the north, the Duke of Cumberland employed Mr. Gordan, minister of Alva, in Strathspey, to treat with them to lay down arms, offering restoration of their name, and other considerations, to which they replied that they could not desert the cause, but chose rather to risk all and die with the charactor of honest men, than live in infamy, and disgrace their posterity. When the war was determined on the moor of Culloden, the clan marched off the field with banners flying, and dispersed in their own country, which was thoroughly ravaged by the victorious army. The chief was long confined in Edinburgh Castle: and on his death, in 1758, the honour developed on his brother Evan, who held a commission in the 41st regiment.
John of Lanrick, who also bore the name of Murray, was created Baronet, in 1795. When the act which proscribed the Mac Gregors was repealed, he resumed the family name. On which occasion 826 clansmen of mature age, subscribed a judicial deed, acknowledging him to be chief, an honour which is disputed by Mac Gregor of Glengyle, of the "sliochd Gregor, a chroic," who are descended from the twelfth chief who died about 1413.
Sir John died in 1822, and was succeeded by the late distinguished officer and patriot, Sir Evan Murray Mac Gregor, who died in 1840, leaving as his successor Sir John Bannatyne Mac Gregor, who died in 1851.
The military power of the Mac Gregors, in 1645, was 1000, and 700 when last mustered in their national independence, 1745. Colonel Alexander Mac Gregor Murray, in 1799, raised the first battalion of Clan Alpin Fencibles, 765 strong, and a second battalion was embodied making together 1230 men.

The old Armorial Bearings are, argent, a sword in bend dexter, and fir tree eradicated in bend sinister, proper, in chief a crown, gules. Crest, a lion's head crowned with an antique diadem. Motto, "E'en do bot spair nocht." The dexter supporter is a unicorn denoting the royal descent, arg. crowned and horned, or; the sinister a deer proper, tyned azure.

The SUAICHEANTAS, or Badge of the Clan Alpin, is Guithas, Pine, Pinus Sylvestris.
The CATH-GHAIRM, Ard-choille, the wood on the hight.
The PIOBAIREACHDAN, are the Mac Gregor's salute, and the battle of Glenfruin.-Gleann Bhraoin, the Valley of Grief.
- R.R. Mc Ian., published 1845 and 1847, see part 1.

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Subject: Post 272 A: Clan Mac Gregor History: Part 1


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Post 272 A: Clan Mac Gregor History:

SIOL ALPIN NO NA GRIOGARAICH - THE MAC GREGORS

"Is Rioghal mo dhream," i.e., my race is royal, is the proud boast of this indomitable clan, and the descent is traced to Griogar, third son of Alpin Mac Achai', king of Scotland, who commenced his reign in 787. Donngheal, the eldest son, gave the patronymic Mac Gregor to his posterity, and his brother, Guaria', was founder of the clan, since distinguished as Mac Quarrie.

Malcolm, who died about the year 1164, appears to have been the first who is designated of Gleann Urchai'. Malcolm, who lived in the time of Bruce, supported his interest with the utmost power of the clan, and fought bravely at Bannockburn; he also accompanied Edward, the king's brother, in the invasion of Ireland, and having been severely wounded at Dundalk, he was afterwards alluded to as being "am Mor'ear," the lame lord.

Campbell of Lachaw, in the fifteenth century, incited the Mac Nabs to quarrel with the Mac Gregors, who meeting their enemies in battle at Crinlarach, cut them off almost to a man. Lochaw thereupon received a commission to proceed by martial law against both, when they made common cause, but, after repeated skirmishes, with different success, they were forced about 1500 to obtain peace by ceding a considerable part of their lands to their too powerful neighbour.

Alastair, of Glenstrae, was celebrated for his martial prowess, and signally avenged a galling quarrel with the Colquhons, who had attacked him by surprise, at the battle of Glenfruin, in 1602. The vanquished, excessively mortified, accused the Mac Gregors of having stained their laurels by the commission of acts of atrocious cruelty. Colquhon endeavoured to "entrap and ensnare" the unfortunate victors "within compass of law," which he effectually did by a grevious complaint to the Lords of Council, when the whole clan were denounced rebels, and the Earl of Argyle was ordered to fall on them with fire and sword, a process by which, if successful the Mac Gregors' land would be his reward; various collisions consequently took place.

Argyle at last succeeded in persuading the chief that he could procure his pardon if he accompany him to the court in England, engaging to conduct Mac Gregor, who was outlawed, safely into that country. The latter part of the agreement he truly performed, for he conveyed his charge across the Tweed, but by an act of gross perfidy, he had the old Alastair immediately seized and carried back to Edinburgh, where he was executed with thirty of his followers!* On his death, without lawful issue, the clan, then in a state of disorder, elected a chief; but the head of the collateral branch reversed this arrangement very unceremoniously, by dragging the expectant of the honour from his inaugural chair in the kirk of Strath Fillan, and placed therein a more acceptable ruler in the person of Gregor, natural son of the late chief.

*He left an affecting declaration of the base purpose for which Argyle had sought to employ him, and for which he had met so sad a reward.-Pitcairn's Crim. Trials.

From the book: 'The Clans of the Scottish Highlands', - R.R. Mc Ian. Text by James Logan. First published 1845 and 1847.
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Post 271 A: Cathrine Goodhart

Apparently Cathrine Goodhart is the first wife of Johann Wilhelm (William) Bost and the mother of Mary Magdalena Elizabeth Bost, wife of Daniel Killian. She is also my great, great, great great grandmother. I have yet to find her parent. If anyone knows anything of them please post a message on this web site. Thank you,

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Subject: Post 269 A: I survived the big tornado outbreak of 4/27


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Post 269 A: I survived the big tornado outbreak of 4/27/11

I was 500 to 600 yards from the tornado that hit Harvest, Alabama. It blewout three side windows on my Town Car. I was lucky. But, a lot of people were not. Thank you so much those of you who have helped the survivers of this great tornado outbreak. A lot of North Alabama looks like a war zone. The devastation is amazing. But, it does not compair to the Black Sea Flood, ergo the The Great Glacial Meltdown of 5,000 B.C. which was the greatest natural disaster of man kinds history. Must get of now. We only have power for two hours a night.

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Subject: Post 268 A: The Great Wash Theory


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Post 268 A: The Great Wash Theory

For the Record: I, Michael D. Barnes 52 of Scottsboro, Alabama am the original creator and author of The Great Wash Theory.

The Theory states the river Atrahasis, Utnapishtim, Noah was on was a great wash or overflow between what is known today as the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.

The Theory further states that the cities of Khashuri and Mtskheta are the most likley resting places of the great boat.

It was stated in ancient written record of the Flood of Atrahasis that "Like dragonflies they have filled the river" and that Atrahasis and his wife were resettled at the "mouth of the rivers." Given this ancient clue of "rivers" the most likley and logical place to be the resting place of the Ark is between Kura and Aragvi Rivers, possibly at the Monastery of Jvari.

I first made public my theory 03/20/11 (post 262 www.voy.com/40560/). I have known about the great wash since 1997 when I bought a world atlas of satellite photos in the "bargain book" section of Barnes and Noble in Huntsville Alabama. I had always intended to make it part of my book.

To those who do not already know, the aka's:
Alulim/Adam, Alalgar/Seth, Kidunnu/Enos/Enosh, Alimma/Kenan/Cain/Cainan/Canaan, Enmenluanna/Mahalaleel/Mahabeel, Dumuzi/Jared/Jered/Irad, Enispazianna/Enoch/Henoch/Mehujael, Enmenduranna/Methuselah/Methusael/Methusala, Sukurlam/Lamech/Akalem, Atrahasis/Ziusudra/Utnapishtim/Noah/Tubal-Cain Tobalkin the Vulcan/Mes-kalam-dug.

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Subject: Post 267 A; Post Office Nightmare.


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Post 267 A: Post Office Nightmare.

A few weeks ago I started getting mail in my P.O. Box 1617 for p.o. box 1616 (Servpro). There was a lot, about fifteen letters.

I returned them to the p.o. clerk and explained how they were put in the wrong box.
Yesterday I found my p.o. box locked to me!
i waited in line until I could ask the same clerk what the problem was. He said the box was "pasted due."
I told him I never received a notice.
He tells me they had put three in the box.
I remind him of all the mail I had received that was for box 1616 and ask if they could have put my notices in box 1618? He would not comment, as if the Postal Service makes NO mistakes!

I come back the next day and ask to see the Post Master, William S. cummins (william.s.cummins.gov), and also asked again if it was possible that they had made a mistake. I was told by the same clerk that I had to leave because I was being "abusive"!? I had always been calm and had never rased my voice. I felt like saying "motherf*****, you have NO idea what I do for a living, you haven't seen abusive yet!" But, I was calm and held my tongue. I then asked for a complaint form. Apparently pointing out that the Post Office could be wromg and or made a mistake constitutes "abuse!"

He tells me "we have no complaint forms."
He gives me the business card of the Post Master.
I then ask for a application to repurchase box 1617.
Long story short, I got my P.O. Box back, for $50.00.
I called the post master who was out on a route with a carrier. I explained everthing to him he told me he would "get back to me", which he has yet to do.

No wonder the Post Office is going broke!
I suspect they've hired someone new who has no idea how to read a number! I can see why Fedx and UPS is eating into their business. I wonder what the prize is for incompetence?

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Subject: Post 266 A: Where are my glasses, and my post?


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Post 266 A: Where are my glasses, and my post?

Post 265 A: was my version of "where are my glasses?" when they're on top of my head.
Post 117 A: is on post 116 A: as a rewrite.
It's hell getting old.
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Subject: Post 264 A: Teltalheart.com is mine and always was.


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Post 264 A: Teltalheart.com is mine and always was.

After goggling myself I realized the post where I had stated "Teltalheart.com is not mine anymore" was still on the net. It was a mistake between myself and the provider which is now strighted out. Just to clear up that point. Also, somebody who is going by "man of his word 40560" is NOT me. I don't know who that is. My e-mail has also changed it is no longer yoohoo@hiwaay.net. If you want to find my e-mail go to my Facebook page. Michael D. Barnes
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Subject: Post 263 A: Per-Deluge; continued from post 262.


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Post 263 A: Per-Deluge; continued from post 262.

If you will but look on my Facebook page you will find a chart supplied to me by FamilyTreeDNA. This will show the many DNAs that came from this very small region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. There are no less than twelve of the known twenty four mtDNAs that come from this small area. They are mtDNA: J, T, RO, HV, H, V, U, K, B, F, R, and X.

If one discounts Africa and the Middle East, this Khazaria area between the Black and Caspian Seas becomes the cradle of civilization; the Garden of Eden if you will, for the Caucasian and Asian races.

Interestingly enough this time line of the flood occurring (7800 to 7200 years ago) does fit well into Plato's sinking of Atlantis saga.

The Black Sea deluge theory is the work of William Ryan and Walter Pitman - 1996. The theory of the flood washing into the Caspian Sea and that being the "river" Noah/Atrahasis/Utnapishtim was on is my own theory.

I also wonder if the Iberians who later invaded the east coast of Spain, France and Italy didn't also bring that DNA to western Europe around 3000 to 5000 BC?

Until next time
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Subject: Post 262 A: Pre-Deluge; The Ancient Mizrahi Monarchy


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Post 262 A:Pre-Deluge; The Ancient Mizrahi Monarchy.

During the last ice age, which could have covered as much as a third of the earths surface with precious fresh water, making the very thing life depends on for survival hard to come by. This would have pushed people from several tribes into close contact with each other. This would have brought people with different DNAs in close contact with each other around the few remaining fresh water sources such as the Blask Sea in the pre-flood days when it was a much smaller fresh water lake.

As the world began to warm the ice melted. As the fresh water flowed into the oceans, the oceans level rose. As the water in the Mediterranean rose it began to pour over the Bosphorus Strait and into the large fresh water lake that would later be known as the Black Sea. This occurred about 7,600 to 7,800 years ago or about 5600 to 5800 BC. People living on the distant edge of the lake would have had to run for their lives. Those nearest to the falls would probably have been doomed from the outset.

I have a theory that Atrahasis=Utnapishtim=Noah was the elected king of his area and or tribe. I also have a theory that he was a fisherman. I suspect that this is where the original idea of the "fisher-king" comes from. If Noah/Atrahasis had a large boat, say 40 cubits (60 feet) in length, and knowing the deluge was coming. He stocked it with livestock for food provisions. He and his family may just have survived the deluge.

I have a book of satellite photos. I can clearly see an extremely large wash extending from the Balck Sea through the countries of Georgia (Lasika/Iberien) and Azerbaijan (Albania) and into the Caspian Sea. There are river valleys in the region, most notably that of the Kura River. Although, the water may have had to pass over what is the present day city of Khashuri, elevation 695 meters. This is also the most likely resting place for the Ark. The second most likely place is the city of Mtskheta, elevation 300 meters (984 feet). Who knows, the Ark may have even landed on the site of the present day Jvari Monastery, at the intersection of the Kura and Aragvi Rivers.

This is the Flood epic of Gilgamesh, and the even earlier Epic of Atrahasis. In the Atrahasis version there is no mention of the Hebrew god Jehovah. But there is mention of the Anunnaki gods Ea/Enki, Anu, Enlil, Ninurta, and Ennugi.

It sounds very much like the retelling of an old, but true, story passed down from generation to generation. Is it possible the family and or descendants of Noah/Atrahasis traveled by land, after the grounding of the Ark, down stream away from the direction of the flood into what is now Azerbaijan? Could the J2 haplogroup found at its highest concentration in Azerbaijan be the surviving remnants of the worlds oldest pre-flood monarchy?
The J2 Mizrahi Jews are uaually from this area.
"Khazar royalty and much of the aristocracy converted to Judaism.""Khazar" is the Turkic verb meaning "wandering." Could this be the "wandering jews?"

I had done some work on this in earlier posts: Post 119 A on 5/27/03, Post 117 A on 5/20/03, and Post Pharaoanic Race and Secession on 4/01/02 - back before I had started using post numbers.

I will have more on this at a later date.
Until next time
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I believe this wash was the great "river" mentioned in the flood epic, "Like dragonflies they have filled the river." Utnapishtim and his spouse were transported by the gods and resettled at the "mouth of the rivers."

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Subject: Post 261 A: 260 continued


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Post 261 A: 260 continued

As for my comments on post 260 are concerned, I'm sure we have all at some time or another been snubbed.

I know I always enjoy it when someone who works for a government contractor thinks they know more about the military then someone who has actually served in the military.

You all know military contractors, the war mongers of our world. The merchants of death and misery that live as a succubus on the human population, for a profit, of course!

The worlds problems can be solved. But, there are too many people and, more specifically corporations, that make loads of money by not solving but causing the worlds problems. We have seen poverty, strife and homelessness increase these last few years with the collapse of the world financial markets, all of which was planned.

When Bill Clinton was Pres. the Republicans in congress came to him and asked him to sign away the Glass-Steagall Act, a law introduced the separation of bank types as one part of it because there were found to be "conflicts of interest and fraud." The Republicans would vote for some of the things Bill wanted if he would remove that part of Glass- Steagall that stood in the way of preventing them from doing what they do best, FRAUD.

They knew that Glass-Steagall was like a block under the wheel of a car that was parked on a hill. When the block is removed the car (the economy) is giong to roll down hill and crash. The plan was to make as much dirty money as possible and get out before the crash. And boy did they! There are billions if not trillions of dollars that were made and hidden. Some of it was invested in China. Much of it is waiting until the rest of the world reached rock bottom in poverty and desperation to swoop in and buy up the world for pennies on the dollar. This is your government at work. The government by and for the rich. This is referred to as an 'Oligarchy.'

Oligarchy: A form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, corporate, or military control.

In our country it's distinguished by family ties and corporate ties intermingled with military contracts. The stench of dirty money reaches all the way up to influencing the Supreme Court. A member of the Supreme Court can be removed on grounds of treason. In my humble opinion this is exactly what should happen to five of the nine justices. Since 1878 most of the cases in which the rights of the people are pitted against the rights of the corporations, the Supreme Court has judged in favor of corporations. Corporations are NOT people. They should not have the same rights as a person. They should certainly not have greater rights than a person. Which is exactly what the have at this time.

A lot of scared little people are afraid to effect a corporations bottom line. Afraid it will "cost American jobs." Haven't you noticed? They've already decided to screw you anyway. Any extra money they make, say from lower taxes, is going to built factories in China anyway! They have decided to screw you and abandon you and, also leave you with the bill!

Obama is doing nothing about the high gas prices because that's what they want him to do. What he could do is use the anti-trust laws that were used to breakup the rail roads in the 1940 to breakup OPEC. But he want. Because that is not what the rich, his handlers, want.

Well, Ladies and germs, that's enough for now. Until next time. P.S., I hope post will be on Noah's flood (Black Sea flood). I did a small post on it a few years back. I would do it tonight but, no time, I work tomorrow.

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Subject: Post 260 A: Templars is du craziest peoples!


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Post 260 A: Templars is du craziest peoples!

I have recently read an article in Knight Templar Magazine, Volume LVII, March 2011, Number 3.

"The Fermi paradox has been described in the scientific community as the contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial beings.
The age of the universe and its vast number of stars centainly suggest that if the earth is a typical planet, extraterrestrial life should be quite common. In 1950, the physicist, Enrico Fermi, questioned why, if such advanced civilization exist within just the Milky Way galaxy, evidence such as spacecraft or probes are not seen.
Since its inception in 1984, the mission of the SETI (search for extraterrestrial intelligence) Institute is to explore, understand, and explain the origin, nature, and prevalence of life in the universe.
One possible method to resolve the Fermi paradox would be for an organization such as the SETI Institute to find evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial life. However, to date, no such efforts have proven successful.
The great silence remains.
Is there a Masonic paradox? And would it be defined as the contrdiction between the belief in the existence of what was once a great Fraternity and the lack of proof of its existence in the 21st century?
The age of the Fraternity and its large number of members suggest that Freemasonry was once a place of great fellowship, joy, and enlightenment. However, today it is better described as a place where the perfection of ritual is stressed, behavior control of its members (for their own good, of course) is emphasized, the advancement of charities that benefit the secular world is the norm, and few of its members ever attend.
Some day, our Masonic leaders will realize that they alone can advance the renaissance of our Craft by stressing the importance of fraternity and the vows we all took at the alter of Freemasonry. At the same time, they must understand that the recitation of perfect ritual and maintenance of the scred landmarks are not our core values and will never attract new members. Throughout the ages, good men have petitioned the Masonic Fraternity and will continue to join our Craft, because they see value in belonging to a great organization where they benefit from these important lifelong friendships.
While there is yet time, as Jim Collins in his Built to Last book, the Masonic Fraternity must eliminate our misalignments, those that drive our members away from the core ideology of our Craft and those that impede progress toward the envisioned future.
If the Fermi paradox is ever resolved, future generations might spend ages discussing its scientific implications and details, but the issues within the Masonic paradox must be resolved much sooner. In Ecclesiastes 3, we read that there is a season for everything. May all of our Masonic Leaders have the wisdom to realize that the season for renaissance is now.
Let us hope and pray that those who come to join the Masonic Fraternity in future ages will still understand that the core values of the Masonic Fraternity are a belief in God, the assistance of a worthy Brother in distress, and the care of his widow and orphans.
Are we alone? - Sir Knight John William McNaughton, 33, Sovereign Grand Commander for the AASR/NMJ"

To begin with he has already pissed me off because he's stepping into my extraterrestrial territory. I do the Knight Templar thing on E.T.s around here, buddy!
He is also WRONG as wrong can be. The very first time SETI hooked up their dish they intercepted what they believed was a transmission between ships. Shortly thereafter they were read the riot act by a branch of the U.S. Government and explained how anything they find is to go to Uncle Sam first and foremost; and how SETIs real mission is to constantly say "no, no contact so far" no matter what they see or find.

As far as retention of members go. Imagine you drive 45 miles one way to make meeting. No one ever has the decency to contact you and tell you what's on the agenda for the next meeting, so you have to wing-it. When you get there to the last meeting you ever attended you find it's an indiction ceremony for junior officers of the Lodge (Helion). The only people there are the eight or nine officers being inducted the guy swearing them in, and you. One particular individual (egroeG) raises the back of his suit-jacket as if he's blowing a fat at you or showing you his ass.
Since that day I have not returned to keep from stomping someones ass, which we are sworn not to do!

If McNaughton is saying to believe in E.T.s negates belief in God, then he couldn't be futher from the truth. Once I knew a co-worker who told me he didn't believe in E.T.s because it didn't say anything about it in the Bible. I refer to that as pure ignorance. It also doesn't say anything about viruses in the Bible. Do you believe in those? Or do you still believe evil spirits cause disease?

We are not contacted by E.T. because we have nothing to bring to the table. We are the backwater mudhole peduncles of the universe. Get used to it!

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Subject: Post 259 A: Azariah = Khazaria


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Post 259 A: Azariah = Khazaria

Azariah was the son of Ahimaaz (1 Kings 4:2) and grandson of Zadok, the High Priest in the time of King David (II Sam. xv. 24-29; comp.35).

Khazaria is the region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. It is the area already mentioned in Post 258. It is also the area many writers and scholars have proposed as the true homeland and beginning of the Jewish race. One wonders if Azariah didn't lend his name to this region. I personally wonder if most of the story of the Old Testament didn't take place in this region instead of the supposed "holy land."

As was discussed in Post 258 there really is no specific "Hebrew DNA." However there are DNAs that are most often found among the Jews. they are as fallows: Haplogroups G, J, L, T, and E. But one may have one of these haplogroups and not be a Jew at all. Then again it might show a heritage from a distant ancestor who was a member of the race of people that became known as the Hebrews.

The Y-DNA is as follows with the amount or number of thousands of years ago each came into being and migrated:
A 60, B50, CT 50, D 50, E 50, E1b1a 20, E1b1b 20, C 50, F 45, G 20, H 30, I 25, J 25, K 40, L 30, M 10, N 10, O 35, O3 35, P 35, Q 20, Q1a3a 10, R 30, R1a 10, R1b 25, S 10, T 10.

A, B, D, E, and C are usually the oldest "out of Africa" DNAs. F, G, H, I, J, and K are usually Middle Eastern and Near Eastern DNAs. R is most often found in Western Asia and Europe. This is, however, a gross generalization.

I do not know about all the factors of all the DNA groups. But I do know a little about J. It seems the phenotype of mtDNA J persons produce higher body heat. This is why it's thought this group can be found in northern Europe, particularly in Norway.
Also as one report put it: "The T150C mutation, which is exclusive to but not definitive of, the J2 subclade of Haplogroup J. May be part of a likely nuclearly controlled general machinery regarding the remodeling and replication of mtDNA. Controlling a remodeling which could accelerate mtDNA replication thus compensation for oxidative damage in mtDNA as well as functional deterioration occurring with old age related to it."- (A Comprehensive Analysis of mtDNA Haplogroup J, - Jim Logan. September, 2008).

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Subject: Post 256 A: Elfin Blood, "elf"="alb"="albino"="shining one"


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Post 256 A: Elfin Blood, "elf"="alb"="albino"="shining one"

The "alb" or "alba" comes from Old High German alb- "elf." It comes from the character of Alberich, a sorcerer in the legend of the Merovingian dynasty. The French translation of Alberich is Oberon, the brother of Meroveus, Merovius or Merowech. "Elbe-rex" translates to Alberich as ""elf-king."

Alberich had the power to become invisible. Thus Oberon is Alberich. Also, as "king of the fairies" or elfin, Oberon is also the Norse god Freyr. Freyr is probably another name for the Old Norse god Tyr, because of the way it could possibly be pronounced (Tyr = like "tire" or Freyr or "fray" or "frayer". Tyr seems to be another representation for the god Zeus.

Merovech (Marwig-"famous fight"), brother of Oberon, was said to be the son of King Chlodio's wife, but was fathered by a sea-god or sea monster (Quinotaur), bistea Neptuni. Merovech is said to be the founder of the Merovingian dynasty. This has been said to be an allusion to the family and descendants of Jesus. Mary Magdalene, her family and friends, Mary Salome (Helena) and Mary Jacob (wife of Cleophas) are said to have came ashore at Marseilles or Ferrieres in the region of Provence, Languedoc France 44AD "in a boat with no ores". Being of two bloodlines, from a beast of Neptune and the Frankish royal blood; the miraculous properties in their blood was supposed to enable them to heal by the laying on of hands, made them capable of clairvoyants and possibly of telepathic communication with animals and the natural world in general. They are supposed to have worn magic necklaces that contained powerful spells that gave them protection and great longevity. They were said to possess a birthmark. In later years the legend changed to become a birthmark of a red cross found either between the shoulder blades or over the heart.

The very description of Oberon and Merovech place them as members of the Peri.
Peri [Per peri fairy,...] 1: a supernatural being in Persian folklore descended from fallen angels and excluded from paradise until penance is accomplished.

It has become politically incorrect to bolster the Caucasian male in any way. He is now the only creature that is acceptable to mocked, belittled and insulted in the popular media and in general. It would thus come as a shock to many to realize that the root of elf is "alb" and "alb" is the root of the word "albino", meaning "white." And these elfin are the descendants of the "shining ones", a.k.a. the Anunnaki. According to Wolfram when speaking of the "heathen, Flegetanis" - "He said there was a thing called the Grail, whose name he had read clearly in the constellations. A host of angels left it on the earth."

There were two persons known as Merovee in ancient times. One of these is known to have been a Sicambrian chieftain who was living in 417 AD. It has been suggested be a few historians on this period that this Merovee visited Rome during this time. He was noted for his long yellow hair.

Well that is all I have at this time. See you soon.
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Subject: Post 255 A: Noblis Decurion, the metal minors


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Post 255 A: Noblis Decurion, the metal minors

Dear Friends Of the Grail, you may be wondering what "Pirou, un Chevalier de"(post 254 A:), Ferrieres-Saint-Hilaire(post 253 A:), Ferrieres-Haut-Clocher (post 253 A:) and Henry de Perrieres (Perrieur, Perers, Perrier, Peryer, Puryer, Puryear) all have to do with the story of the Holy Grail.

Joseph of Arimathea (Saint James the Just, younger brother of Jesus) was described by Maelgwyn of Llandaff (450CE) and Gildas III (516-570) as a "noblis decurion."

The title 'Decurio' means "an official under Roman authority who was in charge of metal mining." It was a very lucrative and coveted position. The Roman writer, statesman and orator Cicero (106-43 B.C.) remarked "that it was easier to become a Senator of Rome that a Decurio in Pompeii." It was title that originated in spain where Jewish metal workers had lived since the 6th century B.C.

Joseph of Arimathea (St. James) was is Somerset, Glastonbury and Cornwall because of the tin trade between Briton and Rome. Tin was mixed with copper to produce bronze.

Jesus, the King de jure of Judaea, was described as a "ho tekton" (in Greek) which meant "Master of the Craft." This designation alludes to a Master of the Craft in what some have referred to as a "mystery cult" but was what would later be call 'The Masonic Lodge.' The trem Master of the Craft is still used in the Lodge. It referes to a Third Degree Mason, or Master Mason.

The term "Perrieur" referred to one "who cut or quarried stone." In other words, a mason. It could also refer to one who was engaged in the large scale commercial mining of stone, such as would used in the tin trade.

The term "Ferrer" in French is said to mean "to bind with iron" or "to shoe a horse" (cf. farrier).
Ferrieres is also said to relate to the mining and smelting of iron. Thus the two, (Ferrieres, Perrieur), are synonymous.
What would the descendants of Saint James the Just (Decurio) and Jesus, King de jure, be doing in the county of Eure, Normandy? And earlier in Brittany, France?

It seems the area of Eure was known for its large deposits of iron ore, hence the "ferrieres" term found so often . Brittany also had some iron deposits.

In Brittany, France many of the descendants of the Grail line are found from 507 A.D. to about 930 A.D. as thr lords, (Princes, Dukes, Counts, Barons) of Cornouailles.
It's interesting to note that "Cornouailles" in old Gallic/Breton means "Cornwall."

Well, dear friends, that's all we have time for this evening. Until next time, be safe and secure in the knowledge (gnosis).
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Subject: Post 254 A: Pirou, "un Chevalier de," 1. 13,557.


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Post 254 A: Pirou, "un Chevalier de," 1. 13,557.

The Conqueror and His Companions, by J.R. Planche, Somerset Herald. London 1874

"Pirou is near Lessai, but ""a chevalier of Pirou"" might not be the lord of it. It would be idle to speculate as to the person alluded to by the poet. William, Lord of Pirou, is said by Orderic to have perished in the fatal wreck of the ""White Ship,"" in 1120. In a later charter, however, a ""Gulielmus de Pirou, Dapifer,"" appears as a witness.--Mon. Ang. vol.ii,p. 973."

A knight of Pirou was present at the conquest of England, his family was rewarded with an estate in Sommerset, where they founded Stoke-Piro.

It is difficult to say whether the name 'Pirou' is from the town of "Pirou near Lessai" or whether they may be descended from Periou, younger son of Budic, Count of Cornouailles, Bretagne, France. This is from the book 'The Norman People,' found on page 361. It also states "...Periou gave name to Perieres, Bretagne. A branch came to England 1066,..." Thus it seems Periou is the most possible ancestor of Walkeline or Walchelino de Perrieres or de Ferrieres. However, the genealogical search continues.

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Subject: Post 253 A: William Peverel de Ferrers/ de Perers


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Post 253 A: William Peverel de Ferrers/ de Perers

William (Guillaume) Peverel:

It's stated that Henry de Ferrers' elder brother, William de Ferrers, "fell in the battle" of Hastings in 1066 A.D.
I'm beginning to doubt this. According to at least one online researcher, Carol/Evergreen, she writes:

"Herbert de Rie and his wife Albareda de Preaux had four sons: Herbert Jr., Adam, Ranulphus/Ralph, and Eudo (who became Eudo Dapifer)... Their son Ralph was known as Ranulphus de Praers PRIOR to 1066. J.R. Planch relates the story about Ralph, Herbert Jr. and Adam rescuing Duke William in his flight prior to 1066.
The Battle Abbey Rolls list Herbert de Rie and Herbert de Rie le Jeune one or two names that MIGHT be Adam de Rie, Edues Dapifer Sire de Preaux and Le Sire de Praeres (Prous). It's my belief that this last name must refer to Ranulphus de Praers - is there any reason to believe otherwise?
Next, J.R. Planch in talking about the booty received by these four sons refers to ""Ralph, whom he made Castellan of Nottingham."" Spiffy! Except it looks as if somebody else promply made off with our Castellan of Nottingham:
""William Peverel, one of the Conqueror's followers and castellan of Nottingham, gave the church along with St Mary's and St Nicholas as part of the endowment of the Cluniac Priory of Lenton, which he founded between 1109 and 1114.""[from Claves Regni, the on-line magazine of St. Peter's Church, Nottingham]
Annoyed with this Peverel fellow for making off with my ancestor's castle, I read all I could find about him. The Battell Abbey Rolls include a Ranulf Peverel and a William Peverel. Most folks seem to think William was the bastard son of Duke William because of all the lands he received from the Invasion for no other discernible reason, but there seems to be no other evidence for this conclusion. I can also find no evidence that William Peverel left any heirs.
Ranulphus de Praers had two de Praers sons (presumably before the Invasion) the eldest of which inherited the vil de Stoke - a tiny nothing little place in Cheshire except that I believe it sits right on the Roseline. But Ranulphus' eldest de Stoke son (presumably after the Invasion) was William de Stoke, knight.

What would get thrown at me if I wanted to speculate that Ranulphus de Praers was one and the same as Ranulf Peverel, and that William de Stoke was one and the same as William Peverel? There are several other factors suggestive of this hypothesis, but I don't know what contary evidence is out there. Does anyone know who DID inherit all of William Peverel's lands?
Thanks as always, Carol/Evergreen"

I personally have some reason to believe the Henry de Perers who was seated at "Dalby and elsewhere in Leicester in 1086 (Domesd.)" and Henry de Ferrers of Derbyshire and Leicestershire are one and the same person. Henry de Ferrers is said to come from Ferrieres-Saint-Hilaire in Eure, Normandy. Henry de Perers is said to come from Ferrieres-Haut-Clocher in Eure, Normandy. They are less than nine miles from each other in Normandy. It was written "The family Perers came from Periers, near Evreux, Normandy." - The Norman People

It's stated in Wikipedia and elsewhere:
"Henry de Ferrers (also Henri de Ferrieres) was a Norman soldier froma noble family who took part in the conquest of England...His elder brother William fell in battle. William and Henri were the sons of Walkeline de Ferrers (d.c. 1040)Seigneur of Ferrieres-Saint-Hilaire, Eure in upper Normandy.
Henry became a major land holder and was granted 210 manors throught England and Wales, but notably in Derbyshire and Leicestershire, by King William for his conspicuous bravery and support at Hastings."

Of William Peverel it's stated:
William Peverell (c.1040-c. 1115)
William Peverell the Elder was probably the illegitimate son William the Conqueror and a Saxon princess named Maud Ingelrica ( daughter of the noble Ingelric) although this cannot be supported by the historical records. Maud Ingelrica was later married to Ranulph Peverell, from whom William took his surname. William married Adelina of Lancaster, who bore him a daughter Adeliza, born circa 1075, and a son, also named William, born circa 1080.

Since Le Sire de Praeres (Prous), found on the Battle Abbey Rolls, seems to be the name the family de Perers (Perrier, Perryer,Peryer, Puryer) seems to be descended from and either Ranulphus/Ralph de Praers or William de Parers appears to be the progenitor of the name. However, the book 'The Norman People' states on page 396 that Henry de Perers is the progenitor of the line. So, this would possibly be Henry de Ferrers. It seems alos possible that Henry de Ferrers and William Peverel (de Ferrers/ de Perers) are at least half brothers. This tale follows along the line of the tale of king Arthur, who was raised in a home not that of his fathers. The name Peverel is also very similar to that of Perceval.

Found in:
www.archive.org/stream/inquisitionsasse04grea/inquisitionsasse04grea_djvu.txt

A.D.1428
46 Northampton
De Johanne Basset pro xvj tm parte j.f.m. in Russheden, Quondam Willelmi Bradson, et tenetur de comite de Ferariis de honore Peverelli.

A.D. 1284 EsTPURI.- Richardus filius Jonannis, tenet manerium de Estpuri de comite de Ferrers, et hoc honore de Tuatburs per j.f.m. et idem comes de rege.

14 Northampton. 1428 41.
Strixton.-Henricus de Prieris tenet j.f.m. in Strixton de comite Warrewici, et idem comes de rege i.e.

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Subject: Post 252 A: Terdelaschoye


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Post 252 A: Terdelaschoye

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Terdelaschoye was the fairy or otherworldly supernatural being in Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parzival.
In the story the marriage between the Jewish mortal Mazadan and Terdelaschoye produces in its descendancy Utepandragun, Artus and Gawan; also Gandin, Galoes, Gahmuret, Parzival and Feirefiz.

Late in the story the Grail family appears in the form of Parzival's mother and her ancestral line. Parzival is the embodiment of the two great lines. This is in much the same way Jesus (Judaea) and Mary Magdalene (Israel) would have produced a conjoined Hebrew kingdom under one non-Roman power.

What has not been know until I had discovered it is that Terdelaschoye is an around about anagram of the name 'Chretien de Troyes.' Wolfram von Eschenbach may have taken or mistaken Chertien's name to be the teltalheart name 'Chretien del Troyes.'

In order to fit an anagram of a sixteen letter name into thirteen letter name some double use of some letters were necessary. The 'T' is used twice, also the the 'R' is used twice. The 'a' in Terdelaschoye and the 'n' in Chretien are oddly not used at all. Perhaps Eschenbach was indicating the fairies' true name was 'Terdelaschoyi' or 'Teridelaschoye.'

Terdelaschoye is a pseudonym which I will reveal in my upcoming book. By the was, Terdelaschoye is a Peri and is more at supernatural or otherworldly than the inaccurate use of the word "fairy."

An interesting note, an anagram of Terdelaschoye was in the movie 'Kind Hearts and Coronet' in the use of the name of the Dukedom as "Delaschoye" and or "De Laschoye."

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Subject: Post 251 A: The Shining Ones (Continued)


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Post 251 A: The Shining Ones (Continued)


The Nephilim were apparently the descendants of the Anunnaki (Anak) that were also known as the Elohim, the plural noun for Eloh or El meaning "Lofty One".

Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants ('giants' was a word that was used in place of 'Nephilim'), the sons of Anak,"

The Nephilim are thought of in some respects as the descendants of Orion. This due to the fact that in Aramaic culture the term 'niyphelah' refers to the Constellation of Orion. As is already know one of the two false shafts in the Great Pyramid through which the Pharaoh's soul is said to ascend is directed at the Belt of Orion.
Thus they are the descendants of the Elohim, the "gods."

The descendants of the Nephilim are the 'Peri.'
Peri: "A supernatural being in Persain folklore descended from fallen angels and excluded from paradise until penance is accomplished." - Webster's

The Peri (Peris) were said to be targets of a lower level of evil creature called a 'Daeva.' They were supposedly persecuted for their "lack of sufficient self-esteem" because they failed to join in the rebellion against God.
However, this cannot be possible because the Peri were the "descendants" of the fallen angels and thus had not yet been born.

Sometimes the term Peri can be seen in names such as "Khepri" and "Kheper" also "Khepera." The Khepri was the younger form of the Egyptian god 'Ra' also 'Atum.'
The god Khepri regenerated himself in what todays science would refer to as "cloning." It is used in the Pharaohnic names of Akhenaten (Neferkheperure) and Tutankhaten (Nebkheperure).

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Subject: Post 250 A: The Shining Ones


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Post 250 A: The Shining Ones

The Babylonian word "Ellu" which meant the "Shining Ones," was the possible root word for the term "Elohim." Elohim is a plural of eloah. Thus it literally means the "gods." It is also the term use in the older Hebrew Bibles. The title "Ari" meant "Shining Ones" in Sumeria. One of the Elohim is "El Elyon" meaning "God Most High." In the old day just the word "El" (Lofty One) was often used. It can be scene in Hebrew names such as "Michael," "he who like unto the Lord." Thus "El Elyon" to the Hebrews and Canaanites was synonymous with "God Almighty." The son of El Elyon, by the way, was Baal. Thus Baal was the literal "Son of God." It seems God could have a Son in the early days because God had a wife; and her name was Ashtoreth and or Asherah. El Elyon is also refered to as El Shaddai in the earliest Bibles. El Shaddai (Lord of the Mountain) is the name by which Abraham addressed God. Enlil, of the Anunnaki, was called "llu Kur-gal" or "Great Mountain Lord." So El Elyon and Enlil appear to be one and the same. The Son of Enlil was the god "Sin". Thus God is the father of SIN.

The father of God, Enlil, was Anu (Anum); chief or leader of the Anunnaki. The term Anunnaki means "those of Royal blood." There was said to be three hundred Anunnaki in this world and three hundred in the netherworld or other world. The three hundred Anunnaki seem to be synonymous with the number of "fallen angels." However, in the Enuma elish the Anunnaki were not "thrown down" instead they "came down." The Nephilim were "the sons of God," or rather the "gods" as in the "Elohim" plural. If one says the Anunnaki are extraterrastrials (humans) from else where. One paints a whole different picture of mans origin.

It's said in the Enuma elish that the Anunnaki created "lulu" human kind, apparently through the genetic engineering of a high functioning primate. This was a creature whose purpose it was to till the fields to provide food for the Anunnaki. These humans were refered to as the "Black Headed" people in the Enuma elish. In contrast the "Shining Ones" or "Ari" or "Elohim" are said to "have hair as white as snow, pale eyes, and pale skin which seemed literally to glow and fill the room with light."

Enki, the brother of Enlil, donated his seman for a genetics experimant to his sister Nin-khursag, apparently a geneticist, to create homo sapiens-sapiens from fourteen female of the "Black Headed" people. This was to create seven male and seven female hybrids, a breeding population. Thus the "adamu" was created, this from the Hebrew word for blood.

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Subject: Post 249 A: Bought to the manor and title via paper.


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Post 249 A: Bought to the manor via paper.

Am I a Royal Prince or King, or a Noble of any kind, type or grade? Are the descendants of the Ancient Royal House of Judaea and Israel through the bloodline of King David (c.1040-970 B.C.) and King Saul, now considered Uradel (old nobiliy) as opposed to Briefadel (nobility by patent who owe their origin to documentary grants that began being issued as early as the fourteenth century) to be considered nobility? Briefadel families received patents for money, goods or services rendered. Ergo, bought to the manor via a paper patent.

Are those of more ancient nobility as noble or more noble than those of more recent nobility? Requiring a patent from those of the Uradel class (old nobility) is like requiring the Wright Brothers to have a pilots license before their first flight. It does not make good sense and just is not done. In the age of the Vikings (Norsemen) all that was required to be eligible to be a king was that one be a descendant of a king.

Organizations such The International Commission on Nobility and Royalty seems to wish only to recognize members of more recent Briefadel families. Perhaps this is because their lines are more recent and thereby easier to trace. or there could be political reasons. But does the sparkle, spangle and shine of the new (nouveau riche) make one noble, or just a flash in the pan; the happening thing at the time? I contend that rich does not equal Royal or Noble. The ancient Royalty and Nobility bore their titles because as they themselves said the were "descended from the gods," the Nephilim.

One need only look at the conspiratorial treachery with which Pepin d'Heristal engineered the death of king Dagobert II and the takeover of his kingdom of Austrasia. This was done with the help and support of the Church of Rome because Dagobert had the gall to have been "scorning the churches of God together with their bishops" due to his taxing them. Thus the Carolingians replaced the True Blood Royal of the Merovingians.

The following is from The International Commission on Nobility and Royalty:
...'"de jure" as well as reigning constitutional kings and princes still bear the full, complete and absolute sovereign privileges of their ancient forebears in full power, whether that sovereinty is dormate because they are non-reigning or because a constitution has permitted.

...In recognition of this important truth, an international court of arbitration in Italy (also the Italian Supreme Court of Appeal) on May 9, 2003, decided that "for an unlimited period" ..."the sovereign prerogatives known as jus majestatis and jus honorum, with the ability to confer nobility titles, with or withoutpredicates, noble arms, honorific titles and chivaloric distinctions relating to their hereditary dynastic Orders."

...This implication of this are extremely important and far-reaching. Legally making a pretender to an ancient throne that no longer exists comparable to a current, reigning, royal head of state is extraordinary and amazing, but it fits perfectly with the law and the eternal and unending nature of hereditary rights, especially as they related to sovereignty.
Professor Stephen Kerr - "Under the rules of the Congress of Vienna heads of former ruling houses are considered equal to heads of state."

...Sovereignty, according to international law, could be and was, indeed, bought and sold. If these conveyances were a transfer of property or territory only, and not the full right of sovereignty, then Alaska would still be under the authority and power of Russia. And much of the United States would be ruled by France and Mexico.

...These practices were so prevalent and common place that in order to protect the country as a whole, in the 13th century, it became a fundamental law in France, as powerful as Salic law, that the kings of France could not, under any circumstances, alienate, sell or dismember the kingdom. It was to remain permanently intact and not follow the pattern of bartering sovereignty for money or favors.'-
- The International Commission on Nobility and Royality.

I contend that Salic law was a transplant of Judiac law and traition. I further contend the ancient Royal House and Families of Judaea and Israel never abdicated their lands or their titles.

Salic Law - Tilte 45, "De Migrantibus" - see the book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', page 389.

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Subject: Post 247 A: Happy Michael Mass Day


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Post 247 A: Happy Michael Mass Day

It's almost my 52nd birthday. I've taken a week off from work to hopefully relax. I try not to work on my birthday.

I had recently e-mailed the Knight Templar magazine, 5909 West Loop South, Suite 495 Bellaire, Tx 77401-2402 (ktmagazine@comcast.net). I wrote an artical to be published in the magazine. The e-mailed me back and told me they had heard the same theories before. I basically told them that this was impossible because the theory of the Perrier/Puryer is mine and mine alone, since it is my family.

They also suggested I site any other authors. I stated that the only other author to use the term was Laurence Gardner and he only used the name "Ferrieres" AFTER I had contacted him on September 28, 2002. His book 'The Magdalene Legacy' came out in 2005. He obviously looked on this web site (voy.com/40560/) and used my material and gave me, M.D. Barnes, not one shred of a reference. "So" I wrote the the Templar magazine "should I give him reference, or should he give me reference?"

They never answered that one back! Gee, I wonder why?
Being in the Templars is a lot like being in any other fraternity. There are some members that all the others gather around. They just can't seem to wait to faun over them. Just as there are some members who constantly put artical in the Templar magazine.

It's a lot like watching actors at an Award Show. They faun over each other and kiss each others butt. You wonder if at any minute they're going to breakdown and just start blowing each other on stage!

Well, I guess every organization has its problems. Some of the older brethern have gone out of their way to make me feel at home, I will say that. And a small cadre of young people have gone out of their way to make me feel not at home, George. Sorry, can't cure stupid!

Enough about that crap.
I am trying finish this book I'm writing. But finishing is still a long way off. A word of caution: anything I say that's in my book from here on is Copyrighted.
It seem most of the members know little about the Grail and only slightly more about the Templars.

As far a my book goes: Jesus once asked other who were asking him about stoneing a man who had been caught working on the Sabbath. He said "the Sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath."
Thus I say: The Lodge was made for the Grail, the Grail was not made for the Lodge. Just in case I say more then some think I should.

Hello to the two ladies I meet today at Unclaimed Baggage. I hope you'll become fans. Have a drink me on my birthday.
Until next time: www.voy .com/40560/ teltalheart

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Subject: Post 246 A: What Happened to America?, Part II.


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Post 246 A: What Happened to America?, Part II.

As most of you know Pres. Nixon opened up China to the west in the early 1970's. Did you ever wonder why he did that?
There's this story, I won't call it a lie just yet, about China's Premire Dung Chow Ping (Deng Xiaoping) and 18 farmers. The story goes, these farmers formed and illegal farm co-operative to make extra money and grow more food for their own families. The farmers were founded out. But, Dung Chow Ping not only didn't punish them but let them keep going as they had been and encouraged other farmers to do likewise. This was in, I think, 1978.
Starting about 1992 jobs and companies started going to China. The pace increased in about 1999.

But why? Why was all this happening? Oh sure, the Chinese work for a dollar a day. Where the Mexicans wanted three dollars a day, (a mere survival wage). The companies would also escape U.S. pollution laws.

No one ever seems to talk about the real reason.
It seems Dung Chow Ping had let it be known to the west (U.S.A.) that he was going to start selling nuclear technology to anyone, third world nutcase or terrorist organization, that wanted it.

It seems the very rich, this includes politicians, couldn't bare the thought of their very wealthy, very plush life style ending in a mushroom cloud.

The very rich also knew there would be advantages to closing down factories in the U.S. and parts of Europe and moving them to China, as I have stated above.

The U.S.A. signed so many agreement with China, at the behest of the WTO, that I wonder if the U.S.A. didn't end as a sovereign nation in 1992, or at least 1999? Is it now just a satellite state of China?

One could say China, Dung Chow Ping, threated the west in an around-about way.
No agreement made under the threat of violence is legal. It seem to me we, the west, could get out of this agreement, and out debt, easily.
But, that's not likely happen. there are just too many people making a lot of money on this.

The only thing the very rich had to do to make a ton of money was to through the working middle class under the bus.

Unfortunately there is no political party that represents the majority of working Americans. The rich are represented by the Republicans. The minorities are represented by the Democrats. There is nobody to represent the working middle class white guy that makes up the majority of the workers in the U.S.A., it's just a fact.

But it's odd, isn't it! The rich couldn't or wouldn't standup to the Chinese. Yet here we are in Iraq and Afghanistan defending their "liberties." So, when we do pull out, if we ever do, they can go right back to killing each other and blaming us, as in U.S..

See you next time.
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[> Subject: Re: Post 246 A: What Happened to America?, Part II.


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>Post 246 A: What Happened to America?, Part II.
>
>As most of you know Pres. Nixon opened up China to the
>west in the early 1970's. Did you ever wonder why he
>did that?
> There's this story, I won't call it a lie just yet,
>about China's Premire Dung Chow Ping (Deng Xiaoping)
>and 18 farmers. The story goes, these farmers formed
>and illegal farm co-operative to make extra money and
>grow more food for their own families. The farmers
>were founded out. But, Dung Chow Ping not only didn't
>punish them but let them keep going as they had been
>and encouraged other farmers to do likewise. This was
>in, I think, 1978.
> Starting about 1992 jobs and companies started going
>to China. The pace increased in about 1999.
>
>But why? Why was all this happening? Oh sure, the
>Chinese work for a dollar a day. Where the Mexicans
>wanted three dollars a day, (a mere survival wage).
>The companies would also escape U.S. pollution laws.
>
>No one ever seems to talk about the real reason.
>It seems Dung Chow Ping had let it be known to the
>west (U.S.A.) that he was going to start selling
>nuclear technology to anyone, third world nutcase or
>terrorist organization, that wanted it.
>
>It seems the very rich, this includes politicians,
>couldn't bare the thought of their very wealthy, very
>plush life style ending in a mushroom cloud.
>
>The very rich also knew there would be advantages to
>closing down factories in the U.S. and parts of Europe
>and moving them to China, as I have stated above.
>
>The U.S.A. signed so many agreement with China, at the
>behest of the WTO, that I wonder if the U.S.A. didn't
>end as a sovereign nation in 1992, or at least 1999?
>Is it now just a satellite state of China?
>
>One could say China, Dung Chow Ping, threated the west
>in an around-about way.
>No agreement made under the threat of violence is
>legal. It seem to me we, the west, could get out of
>this agreement, and out debt, easily.
>But, that's not likely happen. there are just too many
>people making a lot of money on this.
>
>The only thing the very rich had to do to make a ton
>of money was to throw the working middle class under
>the bus.
>
>Unfortunately there is no political party that
>represents the majority of working Americans. The rich
>are represented by the Republicans. The minorities are
>represented by the Democrats. There is nobody to
>represent the working middle class white guy that
>makes up the majority of the workers in the U.S.A.,
>it's just a fact.
>
>But it's odd, isn't it! The rich couldn't or wouldn't
>standup to the Chinese. Yet here we are in Iraq and
>Afghanistan defending their "liberties." So, when we
>do pull out, if we ever do, they can go right back to
>killing each other and blaming us, as in U.S..
>
>See you next time.
>End post 246 A: teltalheart www.voy.com/40560/

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Subject: Post 245 A: Met-Life Comes through, Allstate - so-so.


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Post 245 A: Met-Life Comes through, Allstate -so-so.

Why, whether because of my post, 243 A, or what I do not know. But, Met-Life came through with a check for $992.73. That left me having to pay only about $700.

Allstate: My auto insurance Co.

About the middle of April I received a latter, nasty note, from Allstate stating they would not be renewing my insurance. They sited four dates. Two of which were the same date 01/07/10. This was the date of the big ice/snowstorm. I was doing about 40 MPH across Flint River Bridge (it's three seperate bridges) when ahead of me was someone I just refer to as "Special Ed." Special Ed was going bicycle speed across the last bridge. I started to pump my brakes gently and my old 93 Grand Marquis started to fishtail. The more I tried to correct it the worse it became. I exited the bridge sideways. I then slid off the road and jumped a ditch, landing on the other side and rolling into a field. It broke the fram making it totaled. They sited this accident twice and stated I had "hit fixed object."

The other two dates they sited were both dates when I had struck two different deers. They stated I had "hit parked insured." I wrote them back a letter and said "unless the deer were siting in a parked car and had insurance this is an outright lie and is at most fraud and at least libel."

Allstate saw the error of their ways and corrected their mistake.

I could not have had Allstate jailed on fraud charges because a corporation is not a person.
Take that, Supreme Court.

P.S. It seems that when the Dr. gave me a clean bill of health concerning prostate cancer, he may have been wrong. I may have a battle ahead of me yet.

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Subject: Post 244 A: What happened to America?


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Post 244 A: What happened to America?

In the early 1970's the Bilderberg Group had decided to have Pres. Nixon open up China to the west. The national security forces (CIA) having seen some weakening in our old foe/friend the Soviet Union it was decided that the very rich would hedge their bets in case our old nemesis and reason for continuing to keep the Military - Industrial Complex churning to make the weapons of war, and thereby making money for the very rich, collapsed they, the very rich, would have a way to keep the money coming in and maybe even exercise more control over the U.S. Government.

After the collapse of our reason for the giant cold war works project better known as the U.S.S.R. the plan was implemented. H.W. Bush tried to push NAFTA and GATT through a Democratic Congress, without success. So, H.W. ran a lackluster campaign anainst golden boy Bill Clinton. One of the first things Billy boy does when he gets in office is push the very same bill, NAFTA & GATT, through the Dem. congress, which he knows will send American jobs overseas.

Republicans in that congress also came to Clinton and told him they would vote for some of the things he wanted to get through congress if he would take the restrictions off of banks which had been imposed by congress after the 1929 stock market crash. The removal of those regulations is the very reason, by the way, why the stock market crashed here recently. And what's more, they knew it would happen!

On we to the twisted sister of all reality, W. Bush. He accuses the Democrats of causing the biggest government in history, while he goes on the create a much bigger government. He puts America in the deepest debt hole in history, while at the same time balming it on the Democrats. He start two very expensive wars for no good reason, supposedly to get the guy who is the son of a friend of his and his dad's, that his dad, H.W. Bush used to do business with, Binladen.

America is deeply in debt to China. Why?
Because if those jobs had stayed here they would have provided jobs for American workers. Our government could have taxed those businesses and the workers. Those products those corporation are making in China are still being allowed to come into this country and are not being taxed at the same tax rate they would have been. Thus our country is not getting the money it needs to run.

We are borrowing what should have been our tax money from China, to run our country!

W. Bush got anything he wanted pushed through congress after 9/11. If anyone dared raise as much as a finger he called them a "Traitor".

What should have happened, and what should happen now is these companies that have left our nation for China and Mexico should be daclared as TRAITORS to our nation. Their products should be banned from import into our nation. This is the ONLY way we are ever going to become solvent again.

So, what is happening?
Have you noticed ever so often we have an economic collapse or down turn?
It makes your money worth less or disappear entirely, doesn't it.
In the old days there were bands of raiders. They would raid a village and rape and plunder. But they would leave the villagers enough to rebuild. The next year they would raid a different village. About every five or six years they return to raid the same village, after they had rebuilt and had enough crops to steal. It's like sheering sheep ever so often.
Every now and then I listen to some big mouthed republican pundit, like Rust or Rush. I like to listen to them accuse the Democrats of the very same thing the Republicans have been guilty of in the past.
But, they don't tell their audience what they 'SHOULD' be thinking. They tell their audience what they 'DO' think. They say "you believe this" or "you believe that". I'm just amazed at what kind of sheep someone would have to be to follow that.

I think you know what happens to sheep. They get sheered. Sometimes they get killed. That, unfortunately, would be our young men and women in uniform. Don't be a sheep.

I believe this religious fundamentalist war was created just to keep this kind of thing going. Anyone who knows anything about brain washing knows it's easy for a charismatic religious teacher to get someone, someone who is searching for answers, to blow themselves up for a cause. It's been said these Islamic mullahs are getting rich at this. I've also heard it said the money is coming Saudi Arabia. What happens to oil prices the longer the war drags on (^)? Exactly!

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Subject: Post 243 A: My Surgery


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Post 243 A: My Surgery

It has taken me some time to get back on line, for which I do apologize. I just have not had much to say or didn't quite know how to convey it.

My surgery was a D4273 subepithelial connective tissue graft procedure. This is where they cut tissue from the roof of the mouth and graft it around the gum and tooth to add more tissue to receding gum lines. It is some what of a Frankenstein of a procedure. It cost $2503.00. The great BCBS insurance covered $923.76 of it. My wifes dental insurance, Met-Life, covered -0-, nada, as in nothing of it. After the surgery $78.00 was still yet to be paid. Within two weeks of the surgery I started getting billed and called by the Dr.'s admin staff. The Doctor, who earns $500,000.00 a year doing this surgery, wanted his $78.00 from me, and they had yet to even file it on my wifes as the secondary insurance policy. So, within a couple of days I went to his office and paid the bastard in cash.

It's odd that in this country where we have this preconceived idea and we think of or refer to someone as a "toothless moron" we have such a poor excuse for dental insurance.

I guess that at the age of 51 I'm lucky that I'm missing only one tooth. That would be my lower left last molar. I lost it due to a local dentist by the name of Patterson. About fifteen years ago he convinced me that if I didn't have my wisdom teeth cut out they would give me trouble later on in life. He remove one on the lower left. He did such a botched job that it killed the wisdom tooth next to it.

I went to another dentist, Barrilleaux, to have a root canal on the dead tooth. During the procedure he pierced the tooth through and through making a root canal impossible. Leaving as the only option to have the tooth pulled.

P.S. I'm now on facebook.

Well that's all for now.
See you next time.
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