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Post 154A: Answers to the nature of the idea of God. A.K.A., why can't some who post on www.voy.com/40560/ read the many posts and get the answer they seek rather than asking a question already answered?
Definitions:
1. Gravity - the gravitational attraction of the mass of the earth, moon, or a planet for bodies at or near its surface.
2. Conspiracy - the act of conspiring together. an agreement among conspirators. anything that is not an act of God, by the terms very meaning, is a conspiracy.
On 09/08/05 I received a post on this board from someone calling themself 'Truth Telling Ted' or was it 'Tall Tale Telling Tim'? Whatever, asking me a question already answered on this board. The following is to the writer, and that's using the term liberally, of that post.
Dear Ted, or Tim:
Since you obviously didn't read much of my posts, or were not able to comprehend them, I must assume either your educational level is not up to par or, you just wanted to hear yourself talk. The former is forgivable.
The post went like this:
"Subject: Is Gravity a Conspiracy?
In an attempt to research religious history, I came across this page by sheer happenstance. Although I firmly believe you have engaged in a pasttime of trememndous researchable proportions, there are many flaws in the noble cause of your endeavors. I was quite taken aback by some of your claims, including those of religion and politics. For instance, the "Howard Honeysuckle 7th Grade Science project" example smirks of ..well..atheism. I disagree with but respect those who rationalize atheism through a strong belief in science and often a firm belief, if you will, in nothing. Which is in and of itself a paradox. If an atheist believes in nothing, then the existence of "nothingness" would include the nonexistence of belief. Therein lies the nonbelievers day to day life of an oxymoric of: "My belief is simply to not believe." Humankind has attempted to explain the scientific mysteries of the universe ever since early humans were able to utter gutteral Uhgs and yawts. there are many Praticulars of physics, math, chemistry, biology in which the greatest thinkers in history of the world have not been able to explain. Explain to me, sir. What is gravity? Yes, I know you will explain that it is a force of attraction of 3 dimensional bodies of mass..bada bing, bada boom, blah blah. Insead, I ask you explain..Why it exist? Where did it come from? Where did electrons come from? Protons? Neutrons? Are they an experiment of your fictious "Howard Honeysuckle?" Come now. There is a degree of acceptance..or should I dare say..belief that these things simply exist as they are, and we do not have the cerebral advancements to explain them accuratelyor understand them yet. I Personally have never seen gravity. I do konw things fall down to the earth. I have witnesed it. Where, however is gravity? I don't see it? I feel it though. Do you feel it? Is it real to you?
--Sir, you are welcome to write whatever you please in your forum. However, from some of your posts, it seems you have experienced workplace conflicts. The realm of free speech often ends where the right to exist in peace for others begins. To explain the creation/evolution of all that exists as some science project of an E.T. instead of a God, or the God, creating life and the laws of Physics, chemistry, biology etc., is as bizarre as trying to say gravity does not exist because you cannot explain why gravity exists. That Howard Honeysuckle has conspicuously created gravity as an invisible force. Therefore in alll the Renaissance art of the past, including Leonardo Davinci's, gravity has been conspicuously absent in the artwork. Therefore, there is a secret society of Gravity Lore. There exists societiies..secret ones..who wish to destroy the true knowledge of gravity..geez. Open your mind..and your heart..you willabsolutely feel him. Especially after you've fallen..the thing that lifts you is HIM. Try it sometime."
HOW DARE YOU TAKE THE NAME OF HOWARD HONEYSUCKLE IN VAIN!, ha ha, just kidding. You obviously didn't read or understand anything about any of my posts. I assume it was just because all you really wanted to do was make a speech and hear yourself talk. You wanted to sound intelligent. You're not. Instead of gravity you should have used 'String Theory'. It's much more mysterious. Einstein called it "spooky." You called me an "atheist." I have NEVER said I was an atheist. That was a lie on your part. All I have ever said is the existence of God cannot be proven. If you can prove the existence of God, by all means do so. But you can't, can you. So it remains what it is, someones opinion.
In your minds eye if something can't be explained it MUST be the work of God, and thereby prove the existence of God. Since we can't explain where viruses come from it must be the work of God, and if some poor soul should contract viral pneumonia we should let him/her die. After all, it is the will of God. Perhaps the diseases are actually DEMONS, and instead of using medicines we should gather around them and chant and pray and have an exorcism. Since God visits bad things on bad people and good things on good people, the executives of Enron, World Com, Global Crossing, Exxon, and the George W. Bush administration must be some of the best and most righteous people of all especially with Karl Rove's penis filling up Jeff Gannon's anus, (see my last post, post 153A: Neo-Con Cowboys Riddin' the ol' Jezzum Trial).
--The charater of Howard Honeysuckle was a character I created as a comedy parody on the idea of God. Instead of creating him to be a wise old man with a long flowing white beard, I created him as a temperamental, spoiled child.
--I have always found it amazing and amusing when dour, right-wing, fundamentalist christians say they have a "personal relationship" with God, something of which they have not the slightest evidence of its/his existence. How does one have a personal relationship with something one does not know and have never met, something completely alien to oneself? Such a relationship is not possible and does not exist and, is only the delusion of he/she who imagines he/she has such a relationship with the great unknown and unknowable.
-- I believe that my reverence for he/she that is the unknown and unknowable is much more in line with what would be expected and accepted than the average fundamentalist, who speaks of God with the same words (adjectives) one might use to describe a warm puppy. You have obviously not read my writing on Enlil or, the book, Genesis of the Grail Kings. I suggest you do so before approaching the subject again.
--What disgusts me about fundamentalist christians is that instead of revering the great unknown and unknowable, they try to personalize him/it in such a way as to put the great unknown in a box to make him/it manageable, as one would do with a product. Because, what we are actually dealing with are managers. Nothing more than a bunch of little small-minded grocery clerks. They are fearful of the Great Unknown, they feel they must categorize it, give it a face, and be able to tally it up like they would a sack of flour.
--What fundamentalist christians actually have is a personal relationship with a old book compiled about 500 B.C. to 64 A.D. The writers of which believed the Sun revolved around the Earth, as is pointed out in Joshua and the battle of Jericho.
--If the Great Unknown, categorized as God, by small minded men, cannot be categorized, given a stamp of approval, given an SKU number, relegated to some file somewhere, put away in a small box for safe keeping and trotted out every Sunday like some show pony to prove man still has control over the Idea of God, aka, the Great Unknown, so man need not fear the great unknown for he has it firmly under control and in its place where it should be.
--Fearful man has even given the great unknown a voice through an old book witten by other fearful men of long ago who imagined what the great unknown would or might say if it spoke. Man peered into the darkness and found nothing looking back at him. Perhaps there was something evil in the darkness, something that would come out of the darkness and kill him. Still, nothing came out of the darkness. Perhaps what was in the darkness was benevolent. After all it hadn't harmed him. Still, nothing came from the darkness. Perhaps, thought man, the great unknown being within the darkness actually loved him, as a father to a son, or a creator to a creation. Other fearful men of long ago wrote down what they imagined the great unknown being might say if he/it spoke to man. It naturally told man that he was good but, man imagined, the great unknown being would tell man to stay on the straight and narrow path (the path of conformity and nonquestioning), that of his right thinking ancestors, and not to stray from the narrow path or allow doubt to enter his mind as to the existence of the great unknown & unknowable being and, to sternfully admonish, chastise and vilify anyone who should show the slightest sign of doubt. In creating such a book ancient man gave justification to those followers of the three western religions Judaism, Christianity & Islam religions of latter centuries a basis with which to marginalize, bully, harass, ostracize, segregate, unemploy, impoverish, enslave and kill anyone who dares to have a difference of opinion with their accepted dogma.
--I find your comment on my disagreements with others, in or out of the work place, interesting. You have immediately cast me as aggressor/offender without any evidence to substantiate that claim, other than the fact that my view on religion differs from yours. It's what I've come to expect from people like you, you know, people who pre-judge. In fact I was not, and never have been, the aggressor in these disagreements. But, if someone chooses to pontificate their religious beliefs in my presence I have the right to voice my opinion/belief on the subject without being screamed at "SHUT UP, SHUT UP, JUST SHUT UP!" I find it the case that a large group of small minded people in this world believe that everyone, with the exception of themselves, should be FORCED into silence. They feel, without any evidence to support their position, that they have the "right" to silence any opinion contrary to their own, particularly any opinion that brings up evidence that disproves their claims.
--If there was to be only one accepted opinion and it was to be the original one then, my distant uncle, Jesus, would have been silent and would have fell in behind the teachings of the Pharisees and or the Sadducees.
--Christians have the idea that their religion is the original, the first and only directly from the Garden of Eden, which is obviously wrong. The christian religion started with its creator, Paul, Saul of Tarsus, who misrepresented, mismanaged and misinterpreted the message of Jesus.
"We want to think about God. God is a thought. God is an idea. But its reference is to something that transcends all thinking. He is beyond being, beyond the category of being and non-being. Is he or is he not? Neither is nor is not. Every God, every mythology, every religion is true in this sense. It's true as metaphorical of the human and cosmic mystery. He who thinks that he knows, doesn't know. He who knows that he doesn't know, knows. There is an old story that's still good, the story of the quest, the spiritual quest, that is to say to find the inward thing which you basically are. All of these symbols in mythology refer to you, have you been reborn, have you died to your animal nature and come to life as a human incarnation? You are God in your deepest identity. You are one with the transcendent." - Joseph Campbell
End Post 154A: teltalheart, www.voy.com/40560/
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