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Date Posted: 11:47:52 04/28/02 Sun
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)








MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

dori
In Response To Coinkydink
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 12:40

In your post to Murray you said of Scott: The only thing I didn't like about him though was
that he was as much a prosletizer as any one here, perhaps more so.

My dictionary defines a proselytizer as: to induce someone to convert to one's faith. That is not
true. He NEVER preached to us to join the LDS! He came here to defend his faith from the
anti-Mormon posters and did not claim his church to be above anyone else's. Perhaps you should
look up these big words before you use them? Words DO mean things, you know. LOL!

dori
In Response To Coinkydink
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 11:09

When you brought up the things you do in ministry for the Lord it wasn't in a sharing mode. Your
very words after relating the causes you support were, "What do YOU do?" I have no response
to that type of challenge because it DID sound like you were bragging.

BTW, I agree with this part of your post to Gerry: God is a Spirit who can see the souls of
man...He wouldn't have to ask them anything. And I think he will know even if a man has
never heard of Jesus, whether that man has embraced the Light that he WAS given... the
light of God in every soul.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 9:43

"Not really irrelevant... few of us are prophet material... or zealot material either."

I suspect that it's just that few answer the call.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 9:26

Not really irrelivant... few of us are prophet material... or zealot material either... :) TTFN

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 9:14

"I don't know what the word notionist means..."

Perhaps you should find out.

"We have to be clear here too, that here are few of us who would be the kind of zealot that
George fox was."

To our shame and discredit."

"He had shaggy hair and beard...etc..."

Irrelevant to the discussion.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 9:10

I need to go get ready for morning worship meeting. I'll wait around a few minutes to see if you
are still here, but then it's TTFN.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 9:04

I don't know what the word notionist means, but to clarify Fox's use of the word "Professer"...he
used that to signify anyone who professed to know Jesus or to be a Christian. He believed that
there are actually few of those people who are actually transformed by the light within their
souls... the God-given light. We have to be clear here too, that here are few of us who would be
the kind of zealot that George fox was. He had shaggy hair and beard and refused to remove his
hat for any man, including the King, he wore leather britches that he made himself of half-cured
skins, because he abhorred the appearances of conformity, he never bathed or cut his
hair...however I believe that he was divinely taught from God's Spirit and a true message from
God.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 8:48

"When Gerry speaks of his helping the street people is he tooting his own horn? I don't see it that
way at all. I see it as him sharing his life with his online friends." You say different things to
different people. When I wanted to discuss what we all were doing in our service to god (on a
more private forum BTW, you denounced me as bragging. I was not... I just thought we could
share that important aspect of our lives, as collegues discuss their mutual work. Is it just me that
you won't talk to civilly?

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 8:39

I believe Fox would call you a notionist.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 8:38

"I like the old Chinese proverb, "May you live in interesting times." This was a Chinese curse.

Re: Pragman. I liked and respected scott, but didn't believe the same things he did. The only thing
I didn't like about him though was that he was as much a prosletizer as any one here, perhaps
more so.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 8:34

"However God is not going to ask those who desire to enter Heaven after their death to submit a
resume of all the great things which they have done. All He wants to know from you at that time
is, "What is your relationship with my son, Jesus Christ, whom I sent to be your redeemer ?"

You think you have a God who is just a bigger form of man, don't you? God is a Spirit who can
see the souls of man...He wouldn't have to ask them anything. And I think he will know even if a
man has never heard of Jesus, whether that man has embraced the Light that he WAS given...
the light of god in every soul. Your god is too small, Gerry... Let him out of that little box you
keep him in, please... ;)

Murray
In Response To more George Fox
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 8:06

I declared God's everlasting truth and Word of life freely and largely for about the space of three
hours. I directed all to the Spirit of God in themselves; that they might be turned from darkness to
Light, and believe in it; that they might become the children of it, and might be turned from the
power of Satan unto God, and by the Spirit of truth might be led into all truth, and sensibly
understand the words of the prophets, of Christ, and of the apostles; and might all come to know
Christ to be their teacher to instruct them, their counsellor to direct them, their shepherd to feed
them, their bishop to oversee them, and their prophet to open divine mysteries to them; and might
know their bodies to be prepared, sanctified, and made fit temples for God.

Murray
In Response To GerryB
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 7:52

Mornin Gerry.

GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 7:04

Good morning, brother Sim.

How are things in your little corner of the world this cool, cloudy (42 degrees) morning? We are
supposed to get rain today.

GerryB.
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 6:59

"7But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature;
because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the
outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart."(emphasis mine-GB)
1 Samuel 16:7(KJV).

We can see what a person looks like on the outside. Only God has the ability to look inside us
and see what is in our hearts. Only He knows the true person. All that we can do is guess,
usually wrongly.

Sim 2
In Response To Pig Cleaner
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 5:24

Do you know the major difference between "ya'll opinion" and "our's"???

God himself will bear witness between the two.

Do I need to tell you what the "Winners" and "Losers" receive???

I find it almost impossible to believe that people can be so "ignorant" as to think they can fool God
and escape Hell, yet they do, even calling God "SHE", a sign of "disrespect".

Personally, I'm going to be glad when it's over, all devils in hell, all saints in heaven, I can pray
the "Lord's pray", from the "heart", "THY KINGDOM COME".

Sunny
In Response To dori~
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 2:27

Hey nightowl! Aww you know me, when I can get online, I have many windows open. I was in
townhall chat earlier, a real treat these days, & am now logged into another room. it's late so it is
scrolling pretty slowly, which makes it easy to look in other windows. It is fun to gripe with
others about current events, or just chat about the summer & weather. I'll check PP again & see
who's there. Sweetdreams~

dori
In Response To Sunny
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 2:17

Hey sweetie! Glad I did come back so I could say goodnight. They're still yacking away at PP,
so maybe you'll find a few folks to fraternize with there. This place looks closed down til the
night shift comes buy... grin. Sweet dreams!

Sunny
In Response To dori~
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 2:14

I did? LOL I didn't mean to say goodnight to you, only to Murray. Just now peeking back, but
then it isn't even ten PM here, yet. Maybe you'll peek back in & see this. Hope it's a fine one for
you guys. huggz~

dori
In Response To Okay...
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 2:11

.. I guess I am. LOL!

dori
In Response To Sunny and Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:33

You're both saying goodnight to me, but I'm not leaving... grin

Pig Clearner
In Response To Connie
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:28

You are both standing on the sidewalk watching and you are telling your buddy what
comes next; however, I'm above the parade in the Goodyear Blimp and can see the
beginning and the end and passing the info on to your buddy

The critical difference you people seem intent on ignoring...

...Connie didn't build the Parade. Unless she's willing to concede the God she claims has
foreknowledge did not also construct World, her analogy is...

...FALSE.

Murray
In Response To dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:28

"As for breaking forum rules, I don't think you have, but who's here to complain?"

I think I attacked someone personally. That is against forum rules. It's even worse when the
person isn't here. It's really a form of gossip and that is never right. I should know better and we
should conduct ourselves always according to the rules no matter who is around, don't you think?

Sunny
In Response To BBL....I think
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:23

.

Murray
In Response To George Fox in prison
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:23

While I was here in prison diverse professors came to discourse with me. I had a sense, before
they spoke, that they came to plead for sin and imperfection. I asked them whether they were
believers and had faith. They said, "Yes." I asked them, "In whom?" They said, "In Christ." I
replied. "If ye are true believers in Christ, you are passed from death to life; and if passed from
death, then from sin that bringeth death; and if your faith be true, it will give you victory over sin
and the devil, purify your hearts and consciences (for the true faith is held in a pure conscience),
and bring you to please God, and give you access to Him again. (written from Derby prison
1650)

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