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Date Posted: 06:27:37 04/19/02 Fri
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)








MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

RonB
In Response To Another Forum
Friday April 19, 2002 at 5:47

I've also started a more serious forum called The True Church Forum. My wife, a much more
gentle soul, is also involved with this one, so it should be much more respectable. May God be
with all of good will.

--RonB

Murray
In Response To TB2
Friday April 19, 2002 at 4:45

Aristotle said, "We see the world not as it is, but as we are."

When I see you post here, that's what I'm thinking. Your view of Christians is based on how
you are, not necessarily on how they are. Not all Christians are as small minded as you make
them out to be, but in pointing your finger at them, you show yourself to be so. Not all fail to
bear glad tidings, although you generally do. Not all habitually fail in graciousness and kindness.
You do. Night after night, you crusade, not so much against something, but against your
perception of it. And, in so doing, you unveil yourself. More than you probably realize or
would like to think you do.

Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Friday April 19, 2002 at 4:13

Sometimes, other times I use other tactics...I am a sneaky lil' devil. :-)

My bedtime... I hope you have a good morning and a better day.

RonB
In Response To Sorry, I can't help it!
Friday April 19, 2002 at 4:13

Having a little fun with the SnakePit crew at one of my new forums, AntiVenom.

Let me know what you think -- and if you want to join in. --RonB

Murray
In Response To SJ
Friday April 19, 2002 at 4:07

OK, so you are using the same tactics you despise when used by others.

Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Friday April 19, 2002 at 3:39

"Apparently intolerance is not OK unless it is against intolerance, then it is. It is perhaps the
ultimate irony."

Yep. I agree. In this particular argument though, I believe the ends justifies the means.

"You probably don't see how you are becoming like the very thing you hate."

Oh no, I do see it...I do it on purpose to show clearly that I too can claim to know the
Absolute Truth concerning the Nature of God. I too can condemn any lifestyle different from
my own as evil. I too can trample the deeply held religious beliefs of others, just because I do
not wear any label does not mean I can't act like a Christian or a Muslim.

I believe I have a right to defend my beliefs the same way many on this forum defend their
own.

Murray
In Response To SJ
Friday April 19, 2002 at 3:26

Good Morning to you! Glad you got a chuckle out of the Smalley thing. The forum that laughs
together stays together... or something like that anyway.

Stephen James
In Response To Murray/TB2
Friday April 19, 2002 at 3:11

Man, did you guys just sneak in on me or what?lol

One post I am all alone and next thing I know there is a page inbetween the next...I am so use
to being here at this time alone I don't even refresh the page until I am done posting.

Nice to have the company though...Good Morning to you both.

Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Friday April 19, 2002 at 3:06

LOL!!! I was actually envisioning ol' Stuart when I was writing the "mirror" line...!

Stephen James
In Response To Gerry
Friday April 19, 2002 at 3:05

And before you start in with calling this pedophile problem a Catholic problem, let me assure
you that the Christian denomination of Catholicism is just the beginning. There may not be a
high level of coverup as with the Catholics...but the role of Pastor/Priest is the perfect hiding
place for the vilest of sinners, I believe there are at least as many still hiding amonst Protestant
ranks as have been so far exposed among the Catholic ranks.

Their sins may not be pedophilia, but easily could be adultry, theft, or any abuse of any church
members trust. Those who are exposed prove what most Christian leaders of the past have
proven, man is an animal... and more so when they think they have the Book of God in hand.

Timbuctoo
In Response To The Philosophers
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:48

"If these glad tidings of your Bible were written on your faces, you would not need to insist so
obstinately on the authority of that book... As things are, however, all your apologies for
Christianity have their roots in your lack of Christianity; with your defence plea you inscribe
your own bill of indictment. " from Nietzsche's Assorted Opinions and Maxims,s. 98, R.J.
Hollingdale transl.

Murray
In Response To SJ 2:46
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:47

You forgot to add, " I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!"

Stephen James
In Response To GerryB
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:46

Seeing how the truth is that I tout my "righteousness" about once every six months and you and
the Christian crowd do it on a daily basis, I see your statement as though you have a problem
with me touting my righteousness...do I need Christian permission to act Holier than thou?

I can sure tell you this as a fact...I ain't never fondled no little boys or girls, never wanted to
either, never will. Unlike thousands of Card Carrying Christian pastors and priests who have
stood in front of people just like you for 20 years or more pulling the wool over your eyes. I
am definately more morally righteous than those perverted pukes.

Stephen James
In Response To GerryB
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:37

"You appear to be very impressed with your own righteousness."

When I do take the time to think about it...ya damn right I am. There are Billions of people on
this planet thinking ya need to obey dead people and a book and follow lame 2000 year old
traditions to live a moral life. I am one human who is living proof that that is a Lie...

And I am impressed with any human who has been gifted with the ability not to be a mental
slave to the religious ideas of Man. I am such a human, so I am impressed with myself when I
do peer into the mirror.

Am I not allowed to be impressed with myself unless I am wearing an I Love Jesus pin on my
shirt?

Timbuctoo
In Response To The Philosophers
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:36

"Not by accident, you may be sure, do the Christian Scriptures make the father of knowledge
a serpent--slimy, sneaking and abominable." -- H. L. Mencken

Timbuctoo
In Response To The Philosophers
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:34

"Great is the blindness and the exceeding the folly of many Souls that are ever seeking God.
continuously sighing after God, and frequently desiring God; whilst all the time, they are
themselves the tabernacles of the Living God, ...since their Soul is the seat of God, in which He
continuously reposes" (Thomas Aquinas)

Timbuctoo
In Response To The Philosophers
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:33

Here is another one from Morgan ... Who's to say that the guy that heard Jesus say "Eli, Eli,
lemana, Shabakthani!"... errored in not recognizing that these words actually came from the
guy crusified next to Jesus... The 100% probability of error and corruption in the Bible stands
as it's mightest detractor.

Timbuctoo
In Response To The Philosophers
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:30

"Jesus' last words on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" hardly seem
like the words of a man who planned it that way. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure
there is something wrong here." -- "Rev." Donald Morgan

Murray
In Response To SJ
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:28

Apparently intolerance is not OK unless it is against intolerance, then it is. It is perhaps the
ultimate irony.

Do you also have a bumper sticker that says, "Mean People Suck?" These people don't seem
to perceive the meanness with which they attack meanness.

There are a lot of Quakers in my area and many are so-called peace activists. One of the
ladies is particularly militant in her activism for peace. After many years of listening to her rail
against war and weapons and stuff, one of the men in her Quaker meeting couldn't take it any
more and stood up and said, "I wouldn't be surprised to learn you went off to war to fight for
peace."

You probably don't see how you are becoming like the very thing you hate. That's the way it
works.

Timbuctoo
In Response To GerryB
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:23

You spend much time talking about what a great person you are. You appear to be very
impressed with your own righteousness, so Read Luke 14:26 and be disgraced by your own
master.

Stephen James
In Response To GerryB
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:20

"You spend much time talking about what a great person you are."

Oh bullpuckey...I rarely toot my own horn and you know it. Try some honesty and quit trying
to paint me as some looney preachin' like I am Saved or favored by God because of my own
mental delusions. I don't think I have ever said to you "obey this book (any book I choose)
and ask Elvis (or any dead guy I choose) for forgiveness and live like me or burn in Hell
sinner"...have I? Please answer the question Gerry...

Stephen James
In Response To GerryB
Friday April 19, 2002 at 2:08

"Here is what Jesus Christ had to say."37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great
commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
thyself."Matthew 22:36-39(KJV). He created us. He loves us. What is wrong with us loving
Him in return?"

Nothing at all...until your "God" instructs you or gives you justification to love him more than
your fellow man, allowing for every form of persecution and hate to be directed at those that
reject your "God". It is called Intolerance. It is Evil.

But your "answer" still does not answer the questions...does your God have a human like Ego
or not, does he feel pride when we love him?

GerryB.
Friday April 19, 2002 at 1:18

It is after 2:00. My bed is not only calling me, it is demanding that I walk over and snuggle up
on it. Hehehe

Good night. TTYL GLW.

GerryB.
In Response To Stephen
Friday April 19, 2002 at 1:16

You spend much time talking about what a great person you are. You appear to be very
impressed with your own righteousness. When someone does that I am reminded of what the
prophet Isaiah said about it. "6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses
are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us
away."Isaiah 64:6(KJV). Rather telling isn't it?

GerryB.
In Response To Stephen
Friday April 19, 2002 at 0:54

RE: "what does our Love do for an Omnipotent God? Does it fill Him with Pride? Did He
Create Humanity so we could stroke God's Human Ego? Or do you think God would be
above such human pettiness?"

Here is what Jesus Christ had to say about that. "37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first
and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
thyself." Matthew 22:36-39(KJV). He created us. He loves us. What is wrong with us loving
Him in return?

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