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Date Posted: 09:49:25 04/20/02 Sat
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)








MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 11:48

The Snakepit guys seem to believe very similarly to you guys...I see minor differences, but
certainly not enough to warrent them calling you heretics or whatever.

God himself will one day "bear witness" as to who was listening to him speak by the Spirit and
who wasn't. Do you think it will make any difference who is in disagreement with you on that
day, as long as it isn't God??

Christians are "suppose" to speak as the spirit give utterence, (God's words) but will the spirit
confirm their words/doctrine as being "God's" or "man's"???

That will be the "final test", pass it, ya got it made, fail it, ya catch HELL.

dori
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 11:31

No, I know Christians of all denominations get painted with the same tar brush--religious
fanatics, bigots, extremists, you name it. But that is from un-believers. Catholics get that from
other Christians just as much. I'm not whining, but every Christian friend I have on line has told
me they think my faith is wrong and they pray for my salvation. They tell me in a nice way, but
many of them still think it is a false religion made by man, which is not true. They have a lot of
ignorance about Catholicism which is fed by people like those at the snakepit. That is why
there is a need for places like Ron has started. A positive place where we can answer those
questions and correct the misinformation. I hope my Christian friends will visit there now and
then.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 10:07

I don't want a woman around "to do it for me," thank you. I have tried living with women
around. I can't have any privacy that way. Someone is always in the bathroom when I need to
use it. I am told what I can eat because what I want might be bad for me. I like living alone.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 10:03

Speaking of domestic chores, I have to go do some. TTFN

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 10:02

The baby and I both have allergies. We live in a very agricultural area and the dust carries all
kinds of pollen and fungal spores that I need to avoid.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 10:00

"women's work. Ya know, cleaning and laundry and stuff like that." Well, you get to do that
stuff until you get a woman to do it for you. That's how that works. :)

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 9:53

I said once before. Their theology is not bad. It is their hateful attitudes which gripe me.

If the baby does not have allergies being outside in the wind won't hurt him or her. Being
outside in the wind does not give one allergies.

GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 9:49

I understand about those "errors." Can't wait until Willy is old enough to need me to drive him
places. Oh wait!!! He does that now. Hehehe

'morning. At least you have a place to do chores. All I get to do is women's work. Ya know,
cleaning and laundry and stuff like that.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry & Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 9:46

The Snakepit guys seem to believe very similarly to you guys...I see minor differences, but
certainly not enough to warrent them calling you heretics or whatever. They are just off thier
trollies...or on drugs. I see minor differences, that Pac 1 sees as major ones, between you and
he also.

It's been a little windy but sunny and fairly warm, in Central California. I've been wanting to
plant some shrubs, but the wind keeps me from taking the baby out much...I don't want her to
get sick... it's allergy season.

Sim 2
In Response To GerryB
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 9:31

Morning:

Both "SONs" are shining "down here", this morning, so much so that I need to get some
"outside work" finished, but first I have to run some "errors". (not mispelled, LOL)

I might "pop back in" later, ya know how us "old men" need a "break" from time to time. (Hush
Dori).

GerryB.
In Response To Sim, Murray and Jeanie
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 9:22

Good morning.

Another sunny day here in the northeast with no promise of serious rain. How is it in your
respective areas?

GerryB.
In Response To All
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 9:19

I went to the snake pit this morning and the reptiles are hissing this morning. They are telling
each other how right Pac 1 was in his comments last night when he left in a huff, promising to
never come back.

They commented that the MODs here won't allow us to discuss what they say over there. That
is not correct. We can discuss it anytime we wish. Most of what they post is not worth
discussing. The only restriction is concerning posts which quote what is being said over there. I
have no desire to foul myself with the excrement that they post so while I may mention them
from time to time I refuse to dignify their crap by quoting it.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 7:52

Most of the doctrine they post is OK, but the attitude is definitely NON-christian or at least
what I think Jesus would NOT approve of. Just my opinion. Given my past association with
fanatics through my ex-husband, I am afraid physically of people who talk like that...that's one
reason I have avoided fundamentalist churches. I had enough of that kind of fanaticism to last
me a lifetime or several lifetimes.

Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 7:41

Surely that kind of hatred is not inspired by God!

I don't believe Tamerisk is that kind of person, or ACNE, the "enemy" they see is more in
"doctrine" than "physical".

Later, My Master just called, (Gdaug), (be glad when she can drive, (I think)).

*Coinkydink
In Response To Stephen
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 7:25

Thanks! Hey, how many websites do you have anyway?

*Coinkydink
In Response To Re: Tamarisk & Company
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 7:23

"I think she is referring, specifically, to those at the Pit who definitely do hate -- or at least put
on a pretty convincing act."

I agree that it is a genuine hatred and seems mostly directed at women and very personal.. So
do you think these people are dangerous? I mean, would they be the kind that would find out
where we live and bomb our house or something? They seem weird enough for it. Surely that
kind of hatred is not inspired by God!

Sim 2
In Response To Ya'll
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 6:59

Sheee, I'm beginning to feel like a "red headed stepchild", everyone has their own "web site"
cept "ME".

howsomever, "IGNORANCE" already has enough "BILLBOARDS" for it's posting without
me providing another one.

Stephen James
In Response To Coinky
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 6:20

"Many times they post gross things about me and others which I'd like to refute, but there isn't
any place for it."

http://www.voy.com/83767/

Here ya go, try this one. :-)

Murray
In Response To dori 22:16
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 4:27

"I guess it's hard for you to know how frustrating it can be to a Catholic to have so much
hatred pouring out from people about our faith, and every bit of it comes from ignorance
and fear."

What are you saying? That I have to be Catholic to experience the frustration of having hatred
poured out against my faith and of having to deal with ignorant comments?

A Catholic
In Response To Pac1 -- Part 2
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 3:19

Bernard's experience is supposed to have taken place while at prayer before a statue of the
Madonna nursing the Infant Jesus.
As Bernard prayed, "Monstra te esse Matrem" ("Show yourself a mother"), the statue came to
life and Mary pressed her breast to nourish and wet the lips of Bernard, dry from singing her
praises. The picture also illustrates the idea that Bernard's preaching and eloquence were
"sweet as milk."
The information given me by Brother Packovec says that at least 27 works of art depict this
legend.

A Catholic
In Response To Pac1 -- Part 1
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 3:17

With the help of Brother William M. Packovec, S.M., of the Marian Library at the University
of Dayton, I am able to tell you the picture your daughter saw hangs in Madrid's Prado. It was
painted by Bartolomé Esteban Murillo, who lived in the 17th century, and the picture is
sometimes called "The Lactation of St. Bernard."
An exhibition catalog from Weidenfeld and Nicoloson in London told some of the painting's
story. It takes its inspiration from a "mystical legend," dating from the 14th century, about a
prayer experience of St. Bernard. A dramatization of a metaphor, the picture is founded in
Bernard's love for and devotion to the Blessed Virgin. It expresses the idea that Mary filled
him with graces.

RonB
In Response To Pac1
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 3:05

Dori, why do you always use the words "hate" / hatred to describe someone who posts
rebuttals to Catholic beliefs?

Hi Pac--

I don't think dori uses this word for those who simply "rebut Catholic beliefs." I think she is
referring, specifically, to those at the Pit who definitely do hate -- or at least put on a pretty
convincing act.

RonB
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 1:36

Many times they post gross htings about me and others which I'd like to refute, but there
isn't any place for it. I usually just let it go. I probably still will, because a Catholic
defensive site isn't really fitting to my needs.

Go on over to AntiVenom. There really isn't much Catholic about it, except that I'm a Catholic
and sometimes will directly oppose anti-Catholic diatribes posted at the Pit. It's purpose is to
counter the venom at the SnakePit, whether that venom is directed against Catholics, or any
others at R1.

I do have a picture of St. Michael defeating the serpent, but that was an accent to the
AntiVenom theme. I'll probably find a picture of St. Patrick running the snakes out of Ireland
next.

dori
In Response To Ron
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 1:29

Grin... I just love it! Thanks for the chuckles.

Time for bed for me. See ya soon.

RonB
In Response To dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 1:22

I got such a kick out of your parody on that site. They do provide you with a lot of ammo,
don't they? Hee hee...

They sure do. And they can't help themselves. So, as long as I enjoy poking the stick in the Pit,
they'll never stop giving me ammo. It's just in their monomaniacal nature. I'm sure I'll get tired
of it long before they will.

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