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Subject: Advantage, where? Author: Anonymous [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:44:23 06/22/03 Sun In reply to: Morgan 's message, "Re: Who will be the new trustee?" on 04:43:18 04/10/03 Thu Just because "many people" feel a certain way does not make it right. It doesn't even mean that they are anywhere close to a majority, or even a plurality. The reason we have a village government is so that we have local control from leaders whose job is to contend with issues unique to our area. Rather than take all of our orders from a building 15 miles away, we live alongside our leadership because any decision they make, any law they enact, affects them as much as it affects you and me. Whether or not you agree with the Unity Party or whoever is in power is totally up to you, but there is no reason for foundation-less attacks on the Incorporated Village of East Rockaway itself. Oceanside is living proof why a village should be autonomous. They are under the control of the Town of Hempstead who has, in turn, continued to dump waste materials (possibly dangerous materials) in their backyard. Unlike the Bay Park Sewage Treatment Plant, which is unfortunately County land, the Oceanside waste dump would be under the control of the village government if they had one. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Advantage, where? Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:22:16 06/22/03 Sun Maybe 20 years ago I might have agreed with that. That is fine for upstate or some part of the country where there is space and the beauty our country is know for. Long Island in this part is no longer rural. It has become urban. Most of the people here in the village are new. This village is changing which is why so many of the people who have been here a long time are acting strange. It is reminding me of a Steven King movie. However I am a writer and that is a whole different story. The days of the small town have changed. The small town now must see itself as a part of a whole area in order to survive.It can maintain it's identity and be a part of the whole at the same time however it needs to open the doors and let the world in. The old " No that's East Rockaway not Far Rockaway" comes from the fact that East Rockaway is unknown. If it was known no one would have to ask. East Rockaway must become a part of the world and let people in. The reason East Rockaway needed the aid to repair Main St and the dock area is because no one from the outside came in.No one came here to spend money. If one studies world history and economy one will find that the places that made money were the ones who let the world in. They also went out into the world. The places that made money had tolerance towards other people from different parts of the world. Now Main St has different people renting and this is good. There are people renting that has been needed. There are some people who would rather see the village die than to open it's doors. These people are reacting by attacking cars. The cops left the paint can behind. The can of attack is still sitting there awaiting to be used again. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:53:51 06/22/03 Sun Historically, the urbanization of a region is why its self-rule grows instead of shrinks. Your argument that East Rockaway should "just give up and become part of the Town of Hempstead" because its population is growing is totally flawed. First, East Rockaway IS part of the Town of Hempstead. That is why it is called the Incorporated Village of East Rockaway. Second, as a rural area (like East Rockaway once was) begins to become more urban (as East Rockaway is now), it always leads to more autonomy for said area. Why? Because as a population grows, it becomes increasingly difficult for a government to absolutely control many districts at once. This is why the Town of Hempstead has incorporated villages. TOH has a degree of control over each village, but the most visible control lies with each local government. Oceanside does not have a village government and now they are suffering for it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:07:23 06/23/03 Mon Once one steps out of town so to say, one encounters a different side to East Rockaway. It is know as a private school town where people live and send their children to private school. Other towns have people moving there for the school. East Rockaway does not. The village government got itself in trouble when they allowed Atlantic Ave to be butchered. After that no one went down Main St therefore killing the businesses.All the traffic misses Main St. Before people who drive slower and see there were stores and maybe stop in. Now only one person at a time runs for Mayor. Isn't that like the countries where only one man runs for dictator? This is not a healthy sign. This poor village has been damaged by people's uneducated mistakes. People's fears ran the village. Hopefully it will change. Because new people move in all the time someone will see how unhealthy it is to one have one person run for office and people will start to wonder. East Rockaway can not hide any more. It must become open or die.It is time for the secrets to come out It is time for the light to come into the darkness that killed the village. Seeing that the new generation has little interest in politics they will have a different outlook at the world. It is their world let them have it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:02:51 06/23/03 Mon "It is know as a private school town where people live and send their children to private school. Other towns have people moving there for the school. East Rockaway does not." This is true. I myself have lived in East Rockaway all my life and went to private school from Kindergarten all the way through high school. I will agree that this is one of East Rockaway's faults, but it is not a reason for our sovereignty to be usurped by the Town of Hempstead. "The village government got itself in trouble when they allowed Atlantic Ave to be butchered." I have no idea what this is in reference to. I don't remember Atlantic Ave. being butchered, nor do I remember the village allowing it. "Now only one person at a time runs for Mayor. Isn't that like the countries where only one man runs for dictator?" Considering that certain East Rockaway village officials are infamous for non-action, I think the dictator accusation is a weak one. I personally detest the idea that the Unity Party is the only political entity in all of East Rockaway. (Though, I have yet to have my house raided by Formont's secret police). I have often thought about beginning opposition to the status quo, and perhaps 2005 is when I will do that. "Seeing that the new generation has little interest in politics they will have a different outlook at the world." Have you seen the amount of people that have voted in the last few elections? Politics in the United States is stronger than ever, especially among young people. I have read your message up and down and I cannot find a reason why East Rockaway should just become a part of the Town of Hempstead (Which it is already a part of). Do you have a reason(s)? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:14:51 06/26/03 Thu Just look at the signs and see where the local government is heading. Renovating a town or area does not mean the government will stay the same hopefully it will change The people who see only one person running will either go to the Town of Hempstead or get someone to run against. What ever happens something will change.To have a local Government with only one person running is not healthy.However who is to say who is healthy. I wonder if it was ever healthy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:13:41 06/27/03 Fri "Just look at the signs and see where the local government is heading. Renovating a town or area does not mean the government will stay the same hopefully it will change" Since when does renovating an area mean the government will change? Can you please provide an example of a renovation ushering in a change of government? From what I see, they have nothing to do with one another. What does renovating the docks have to do with the village dissolving into the Town of Hempstead? "The people who see only one person running will either go to the Town of Hempstead or get someone to run against." Again, the Town of Hempstead has nothing to do with this. Lynbrook's leadership is going on their third straight term and the Town of Hempstead has not gotten involved. You're right, there is a lack of opposition. BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD TAKING OVER THE VILLAGE? Incumbency is no reason for the town to take over East Rockaway. On top of that, the town taking over East Rockaway is a bad idea. East Rockaway is closer to New York City than it is to the Town of Hempstead. I, along with the overwhelming majority of the Village, like having a local government. Oceanside is in shambles because there is no local government to stand up for the citizens' rights. Finally, for the umpteenth time, East Rockaway is already a part of the Town of Hempstead. Under the current system, we are a part of the Town of Hempstead and we have local representation. What you want to do is just strip us of local representation because you don't like the duly-elected government. If you really don't like them, why don't you run? The most important question here is this: WHAT WILL EAST ROCKAWAY GAIN BY GIVING UP ITS LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND BEING CONTROLLED BY THE TOWN OF HEMPSTEAD? (Don't forget that East Rockaway is already a part of the Town of Hempstead). Please do not dodge this question again, thank you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:46:43 06/28/03 Sat Why is it about gain? I see it as disinterest. Everyone I talk to does not care and they say they want the village to fade. They say it is a waste of time and money. Go out and talk to people. All the people who made the Wild Duck Inn horrible will go to some other bar in East Rockaway or will they bully the new owner like they do to all the new people? Last night I went to dinner with a friend who said the people in this area are horrible and never knew it was that bad. Some of my family is in Georgia and there are more red necks here in East Rockaway. It is shameful for an area that wants to make money have all these red necks around, No one wants to come and walk and eat dinner with red necks lurking around. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:57:36 06/28/03 Sat "Why is it about gain?" Because it is a drastic change in the infrastructure of their government. Something must be gained if they are going to go to the trouble of rearranging the government. "Everyone I talk to does not care and they say they want the village to fade. They say it is a waste of time and money. Go out and talk to people." Assuming that the people you talk to are even the least informed, approximately how much time and money would we save? Even if I thought that the current TOH bureaucracy would be interested in the best interest of East Rockaway, (Which I do not), it would be a less efficient service than we currently get because their resources would be even more stretched than they already are. "All the people who made the Wild Duck Inn horrible will go to some other bar in East Rockaway or will they bully the new owner like they do to all the new people?" As far as this new owner of the Wild Duck Inn goes, I have seen no sign that there has been a change in ownership. Don't get me wrong, I want someone to rescue that place, but where are these new owners? Do they have a date planned for the grand opening? I really am looking forward to it and I want to go there. In regards to the "bullies", I would like to see the Village have its own police force. Unlike Nassau cops which can take up to 10 minutes, the Village police would be able to arrive anywhere in East Rockaway in one minute or less. As they become familiar with the area, they would know who the "bullies" are and deal with them accrodingly. Unlike the Nassau police, they would not just be putting on a show. "Last night I went to dinner with a friend who said the people in this area are horrible and never knew it was that bad." Where does your friend live that is so much better? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:39:06 06/28/03 Sat Since I can remember the village has said it wanted it's own police. I heard that the fire was called in by a policeman on Main St a few weeks ago and he had to keep calling becaue no one came to the fire. I hope the police will be out tonight. I guess the Duck will be full. In fact it is filling up right now. I imagine that a grandopening would come after all the repairs are made. They said June 30 it changes hands. All things that are good and lasting take time.They might have changed their minds after seeing all creeps around here. I have seen that happen many times. And we all know the lawyer joke saying why are lawyers paid so much? They are paid by the hour. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: History Lesson Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:03:57 06/30/03 Mon On the night of that fire, I remember not being able to sleep and suddenly hearing the ERFD horn sound. Then I saw the fire chief's car drive by with his sirens on. This was at about 3:15 AM, when the fire is believed to have started. The major hole in that story is that in order to believe it, you would have to believe that a Nassau County cop actually called something in. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re Village to Town Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:11:19 07/11/03 Fri The more people I talk to about the Village all say it is a waste of time and money and they want it to go. The street sweeper leaves grass growing on the curbs. People call the Village and no one cares about what they have to say so they call the Town of Hemptead instead. People have many things to say about how poorly things are run. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]