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Subject: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: Rev. Darwin [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:50:58 09/05/04 Sun We are haveing quite a problem with one family in our church,I am in a leadership role and the mother of the 2 youth in my class are (well) kinda a cancer.Let me explain; when the 2 youth are present the spirit in the class is chaos and on wed. when I lead a bible study for the youth dept. they are not there and it is a spirit of joy peace and fun as well as a time of learning about our LORD and we all feel close when it is over,hugs ect. when the sun. morning class is over it's like, no talking no see you laters , no joy, just tension. Does anyone have a way to deal with this,we have been praying but it seems to be really strong any advice? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: jezebel spirit? [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:52:38 09/05/04 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: Larry Hough [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:20:52 09/12/04 Sun Rev.Darwin, I see this as a very difficult and devisive problem for you. I think this family is acting out deep seated problems within their own family relationships, at church. When everything is "okey doky" at home, they are fine at church, but when problems arise at home, they bring it with them and disrupt things at church. This would be especially evident with the kids. I know families going through divorce where the children carry the blunt of the emotional baggage. They are often very disruptive and sometimes even physically and emotionally abusive. Because they can not trust things being "good" and stable at home, they do not trust an environment (like the classroom)that seems to offer that stability they see as a sham at home. What can you do? You need to bring the parents in and sit them down and discuss this problem with them. This is difficult, but truly is for their benefit, as well as their children. If that does not work, you need to meet with them again, but this time with one or two others who are also affected by their actions. Offer help, through counciling and prayer, but be honest! If this does not help, you have to remove them from the communal activities of the church, although the boys could probably benefit from any pyhsical activities such as sports to release pent up tension. This is very difficult and hopefully does not come to this point.... But, you are responsible for the flock! You are also responsible for the individual, but the fore mentioned actions are all you can really do to keep them in the fold. I pray this helps you, brother. Please know that I will be praying for you and this situation. Also know that I am here for you at all times and have a true desire to help you. Trusting in Him, alone, I am yours in the Spirit Pastor Larry Hough Local Elder, Region 7 New Jersey Baruch Ha Ba 'b Shem Adonai [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: Jeff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:17:36 09/07/04 Tue The mother and her 2 sons are "kinda a cancer"?? Ouch! That sounds kind of harsh, doesn't it? Regardless, the Love of Christ is for "bad boys" too. After all, He died for us while we were yet sinners. Perhaps you and your group ought to do the same for these boys? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: REV. Darwin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:50:04 09/07/04 Tue In a perfect world that would be great, but In trying to love them over the last 2 years the "yes, cancer" has grown, the apostle paul spoke of a man woman or child who causes devision must be dealt with don't get me wrong I have prayed tried prayed and tried.it's not like a bad boy thing, it is a planned devision scheme. People in the body have brought to my attention of plans and so on to devide the people from the pastor ect. and by the way it is a mother daughter son and father who use different ways to devide whether it be through the silent treatment, or one sun. they will be happy and smiling and the next week you would think their dog was horribly butchard,so it goes deeper than your basic show them love ect. this is a spiritual matter in which talking ect. would be like a doctor (thinking) a cancer out of the sick man when he has the antidote. This is causing the other kids to suffer so knowing that does anyone else have advice? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: Jeff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:40:16 09/13/04 Mon What has you pastor said regarding all this? have you discussed it with him? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: Rev. DARWIN [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:57:11 09/13/04 Mon I spoke to him this weekend and he has been praying and if the division continues as much as he doesn't want to he is going to ask the family to leave and it would be in the best interest of the family and our church to do so, It all came to a head this sun when the 2 kids started a big arguement in sun school and our staff asst. was there and he had to get involed and well it was ugly. and I restored peace but the class was very tense and he reported this to our Pastor and I guess he has made his decision. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: Jeff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:30:01 09/14/04 Tue Has anyone attempted to reach these boys...to minister to them...to find out what makes them tick the way they do...outside of the normal Sunday School classroom environment?...more of a one-on-one approach? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit in my church Author: REV . DARWIN [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:35:13 09/14/04 Tue Yes I have myself for qiute a while and it seemed to go okay and then when the mother got involved ,he changed his attitude, you see this is about the mom she is the type of person who must be the center of attention wether it be choir sunday school or whatever and if she isn't , the daughter and the son will cause trouble and chaos to de-rail the work of the HOLY SPIRIT and in school they are loners because " they are above any of their peers" those are their words not mine. See you must understand the daughter and the son are spiritual giant and are in no need of guidance from anyone. Thats the trouble ,also the lord talkes to their family and tells them ie their family are the true leaders in all areas they are involved in, the only trouble is the rest of the church body never hears the same from the LORD.We as well as every other church have ways we go about order and she( the mother) or the kids will go against this authority every chance they can. For example every plan, idea or whatever must go through the proper channels and last sun the youngest stood up and asked the class who wants to start a youth choir?, that of course their mom would be the leader do you see the pattern? See the focus is always on their family as leaders not JESUS not the HOLY SPIRIT ( THEM ) so yes I have tried every avenue and to no avail, so after my wife and myself talked with the pastor this problem will be dealt with in a biblical way "warn a man who devides once and then remove them and have nothing to do with them" of coures in love but when the other young sheep are being hurt leaders of the church MUST act and our pastors next step is to do just that, AMEN [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: testing [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:27:48 09/12/04 Sun testing [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit, from eden to apocalypse Author: steve [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:13:40 09/16/04 Thu Hey Darwin, long time no hear. Sorry about your troubles; but it sounds like you're about to do right by it. I think a scripture you may have been looking for is Titus 3:8-11 (RSV) -- The saying is sure. I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men. But avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels over the law, for they are unprofitable and futile. As for a man who is factious, after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned. yiC steve [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit, from eden to apocalypse Author: REV. DARWIN [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:09:39 09/16/04 Thu Hey Steve, you put it in perfect perspective, it is a terrible thing that in these days of trouble that there are people in the body trying to divide, not knowing they are cutting only themselves in the process, we as believers now more than ever need to come together and be as one even as JESUS and the FATHER are one,because if we don't we will be destroyed. Only when we are in one accord and of one mind will we be victoriuos. See you later steve...( for the cause of CHRIST ) Darwin [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit, from eden to apocalypse Author: steve [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:04:27 10/07/04 Thu So, how has it turned out? yic, steve [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jezebel spirit, from eden to apocalypse Author: REV. DARWIN [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:32:39 10/19/04 Tue Hey Steve it's still in limbo, the pastor was headed in the right direction and then he stopped I'm not sure why, but I have started leading a bible study on wed. nights and the two in question don't want to be part of the class and the spirit in the class on wed. nights is great and it is already growing and the hearts of the kids are really wanting to grow in CHRIST so thats really good but the sun. morning class is still pretty rough, but the LORD will have his way. amen [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: Lillian Beal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:21:55 10/22/04 Fri Bro. Darwin Not too long ago there was a family just like that in my little church. They made life miserable for all, but especially the Pastor. It took 4 years to finally get that family to leave. The mother was a real talented lady but had her own agenda. They worked with the youth but tried to be God and not let certain youth participate in drama, or other actvities. It was a real mess. I can sympathize with you. The Pastor and deacons all met with this family and let them know up front that thier behavior was not acceptable and that God required a certain order for His church. If the behavior didn't stop they would have to leave the church. They were also told that they were wanted in the church but only if they could follow the authority of leadership. god bless you and your Pastor and may God give extra wisdom and understanding. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: REV. DARWIN [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:06:13 10/22/04 Fri Thanks for your words it is like you described my church problem exactly, but the one good thing is my wife and myself lead the youth but the two kids of the mom that is wanting to take over the church are still rebelling every sun. morning . My wife talked to one of the other youth and the daughter of the mom has been telling the other kids that their parents should be in charge of the youth,but thank god the old youth pastor handed us the raines and the senior pastor stood behind his choice we really get along with our pastor and we love him this is just a huge wall to growth in the church because this family has their own agenda and they will try anything to get their way , the one thing that really bothers me more than all the mess is that with these two kids acting this way it is effecting all the other kids in such a negative way, the youth dept. is focused on them and not the LORD, but I guess thats the whole plan, for this evil spirit that has taken over this family to take the focus off god and his will and cause choas and division. Please pray.... Thanks Darwin [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: Rev. Winddancer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:26:32 11/22/04 Mon Rev Darwin... I dealt with an entire Sunday School class of teen boys that were related and totally out of control. No one in the church could control them, not even the men. When it came time for volunteer Bible School teachers I said that I would love to teach, but only if I could get the teen boys class. My Minister was reluctant but finally gave in. Oh trust me, they tried me many times, but I brought "me" to a level that teen boys could identify with. I wasn't a woman sitting there, I was cool. I also had a firm hand, as I also hold 6 degrees of blackbelt and had my own Karate School at the time. Before Bible School ended, I had them apologizing to each other for hurt feelings, understanding how words hurt other people the same as it did them, etc... I would suggest moving down to a level that they understand... In whatever fashion that means... Trust me it does work... Many blessings in resolving your situation, but remember "They are human beings & you have to treat them as such". "God loves us each & every one". Go with God...Walk in Faith... Rev. Winddancer [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Jexebel spirit in my church Author: bump [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:25:47 01/10/07 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]